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robin

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Posted: 15 August 2008 at 1:07am

Originally posted by thomasd

Originally posted by robin

Constantine etc. did not rewrite the scriptures, they add some wrong ideas etc. which have been found and removed! See the New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures

True the church do follow pagan ideas that is because they do not understand or believe the scriptures they on such matters, but what they do does not alter the Bible in any way!

It's also because the original Christian missionaries to the Germanic and Celtic tribes made a huge effort to bridge the cultural gap and spread God's word. to do this, they repurposed many pagan festivals into Christian ones, the side effect of this being that various pagan traditions carried over into the celebration of Christian holidays, and then after Rome was sacked, the Irish became the missionaries and carried these traditions back into the rest of Europe. However to say that they rewrote scripture shows a lack of knowledge of European history. the Irish monks were some of the most meticulous scribes in history, and took immense pride in their work. Anyone who doubts this should spend some time reading about the Lindisfarne gospels.

You point out well that the church took on board Demonic pagan worship and rituals etc. and used them in worship of the god of the Bible of which the Bible says:-

1 Corinthians 10:20-22

... I say that the things which the nations sacrifice they sacrifice to demons, and not to God; and I do not want YOU to become sharers with the demons. ²¹ YOU cannot be drinking the cup of Jehovah and the cup of demons; YOU cannot be partaking of "the table of Jehovah" and the table of demons. ²² Or "are we inciting Jehovah to jealousy"? We are not stronger than he is, are we?

and

Isaiah 5:20-21

Woe to those who are saying that good is bad and bad is good, those who are putting darkness for light and light for darkness, those who are putting bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter! ²¹ Woe to those wise in their own eyes and discreet even in front of their own faces!

and

1 Timothy 4:1-2

However, the inspired utterance says definitely that in later periods of time some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to misleading inspired utterances and teachings of demons, ² by the hypocrisy of men who speak lies, . . .

and

2 Thessalonians 2:3, 8-12

Let no one seduce YOU in any manner, because it will not come unless the apostasy comes first and the man of lawlessness gets revealed, the son of destruction.

8 . . .Then, indeed, the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will do away with by the spirit of his mouth and bring to nothing by the manifestation of his presence. ⁹ But the lawless one’s presence is according to the operation of Satan with every powerful work and lying signs and portents ¹⁰ and with every unrighteous deception for those who are perishing, as a retribution because they did not accept the love of the truth that they might be saved. ¹¹ So that is why God lets an operation of error go to them, that they may get to believing the lie, ¹² in order that they all may be judged because they did not believe the truth but took pleasure in unrighteousness.

thus it becomes Devil Worship!

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Posted: 15 August 2008 at 8:30pm

Originally posted by mariyah

Believer, you will have to bring forward your witnesses.

So were you there when constantine and his cronies rewrote the Scriptures and gave Jesus (pbuh) the "divine status" that was so common in the Roman pagan practices and beliefs? (third century common era council of nicea) and have you read Exodus 20, that states God is one God and you shall not bow to any other or make gods before him?

Jesus will return, and he and the Madhi (pbuh) will be the witnesses to the commencement of the Last Day, the Day of judgement.

Jesus indeed lives, but not as you think.

I think you've watched 'The Da Vinci Code' one too many times and took it as fact. <3

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Posted: 15 August 2008 at 8:31pm

Originally posted by minuteman

Believer, do you believe that pearcing with a spear caused the death of Jesus. I ask because it is being mentioned again and again. I do not believe it to be so.

Please tell me if the spear had anything hand in causing the death of Jesus? Welcome.

As far as I know, Jesus was dead before he was pierced by the spear. They just wanted to be doubly sure

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Posted: 16 August 2008 at 7:59am

If Jesus was dead then blood and water should not gush out from the body. A dead man's heart stops pumping the blood. There is no circulation of blood in the body. So by cutting or pearcing anywhere, the blood does not gush out.

But in the case of a man who is alive, it will happen like that. Just food for thought !

If any one is bad some one must suffer

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Posted: 16 August 2008 at 7:22pm

Yes that is how I understand it walk2liv. To fufill GOD's plan Jesus blood washed away our sins as it was shed.

It can when the heart is pierced. When a baby dies that might have a congenital anomaly, blood is collected from the heart using a needle and syringe. The blood flows freely into the syringe. Blood does not clot immediately after death.

Jesus could have suffered from internal bleeding, fluid collected in His lungs, the pierce went through His lung into His heart, etc.

John 3
16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

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Posted: 26 October 2008 at 11:48am

Are you saying that what is written in the scriptures is a lie? Do you have witnesses to substantiate this absurd claim?

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robin Senior Member Joined: 17 May 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 595	Posted: 15 August 2008 at 1:07am
	*Originally posted by thomasd* *Originally posted by robin* Constantine etc. did not rewrite the scriptures, they add some wrong ideas etc. which have been found and removed! See the New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures True the church do follow pagan ideas that is because they do not understand or believe the scriptures they on such matters, but what they do does not alter the Bible in any way! It's also because the original Christian missionaries to the Germanic and Celtic tribes made a huge effort to bridge the cultural gap and spread God's word. to do this, they repurposed many pagan festivals into Christian ones, the side effect of this being that various pagan traditions carried over into the celebration of Christian holidays, and then after Rome was sacked, the Irish became the missionaries and carried these traditions back into the rest of Europe. However to say that they rewrote scripture shows a lack of knowledge of European history. the Irish monks were some of the most meticulous scribes in history, and took immense pride in their work. Anyone who doubts this should spend some time reading about the Lindisfarne gospels. You point out well that the church took on board Demonic pagan worship and rituals etc. and used them in worship of the god of the Bible of which the Bible says:- 1 Corinthians 10:20-22 ... I say that the things which the nations sacrifice they sacrifice to demons, and not to God; and I do not want YOU to become sharers with the demons. ²¹ YOU cannot be drinking the cup of Jehovah and the cup of demons; YOU cannot be partaking of "the table of Jehovah" and the table of demons. ²² Or "are we inciting Jehovah to jealousy"? We are not stronger than he is, are we? and Isaiah 5:20-21 Woe to those who are saying that good is bad and bad is good, those who are putting darkness for light and light for darkness, those who are putting bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter! ²¹ Woe to those wise in their own eyes and discreet even in front of their own faces! and 1 Timothy 4:1-2 However, the inspired utterance says definitely that in later periods of time some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to misleading inspired utterances and teachings of demons, ² by the hypocrisy of men who speak lies, . . . and 2 Thessalonians 2:3, 8-12 Let no one seduce YOU in any manner, because it will not come unless the apostasy comes first and the man of lawlessness gets revealed, the son of destruction. 8 . . .Then, indeed, the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will do away with by the spirit of his mouth and bring to nothing by the manifestation of his presence. ⁹ But the lawless one’s presence is according to the operation of Satan with every powerful work and lying signs and portents ¹⁰ and with every unrighteous deception for those who are perishing, as a retribution because they did not accept the love of the truth that they might be saved. ¹¹ So that is why God lets an operation of error go to them, that they may get to believing the lie, ¹² in order that they all may be judged because they did not believe the truth but took pleasure in unrighteousness. thus it becomes Devil Worship!
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walk2liv Starter Joined: 15 August 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 3	Posted: 15 August 2008 at 8:30pm
	*Originally posted by mariyah* Believer, you will have to bring forward your witnesses. So were you there when constantine and his cronies rewrote the Scriptures and gave Jesus (pbuh) the "divine status" that was so common in the Roman pagan practices and beliefs? (third century common era council of nicea) and have you read Exodus 20, that states God is one God and you shall not bow to any other or make gods before him? Jesus will return, and he and the Madhi (pbuh) will be the witnesses to the commencement of the Last Day, the Day of judgement. Jesus indeed lives, but not as you think. I think you've watched 'The Da Vinci Code' one too many times and took it as fact. <3
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walk2liv Starter Joined: 15 August 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 3	Posted: 15 August 2008 at 8:31pm
	*Originally posted by minuteman* Believer, do you believe that pearcing with a spear caused the death of Jesus. I ask because it is being mentioned again and again. I do not believe it to be so. Please tell me if the spear had anything hand in causing the death of Jesus? Welcome. As far as I know, Jesus was dead before he was pierced by the spear. They just wanted to be doubly sure
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minuteman Senior Member Joined: 25 March 2007 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1642	Posted: 16 August 2008 at 7:59am
	If Jesus was dead then blood and water should not gush out from the body. A dead man's heart stops pumping the blood. There is no circulation of blood in the body. So by cutting or pearcing anywhere, the blood does not gush out. But in the case of a man who is alive, it will happen like that. Just food for thought !
	If any one is bad some one must suffer
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believer Guest Group Joined: 08 January 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1397	Posted: 16 August 2008 at 7:22pm
	Yes that is how I understand it walk2liv. To fufill GOD's plan Jesus blood washed away our sins as it was shed. It can when the heart is pierced. When a baby dies that might have a congenital anomaly, blood is collected from the heart using a needle and syringe. The blood flows freely into the syringe. Blood does not clot immediately after death. Jesus could have suffered from internal bleeding, fluid collected in His lungs, the pierce went through His lung into His heart, etc.
	John 3 16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
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bingo Starter Joined: 21 October 2008 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 5	Posted: 26 October 2008 at 11:48am
	Are you saying that what is written in the scriptures is a lie? Do you have witnesses to substantiate this absurd claim?
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