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Quote Andalus Replybullet Posted: 16 June 2007 at 11:02pm
Originally posted by Abu Mujahid

Originally posted by fatima

Bismillah irrahman irrahim

Assalamu alaykum

JazakumAllah khair brothers, mashaAllah very informative posts. Is it me or did any one else notice that cocept of Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala above His Arsh is same in both aqaaid?<

Sister walaikumu salam. Don't be decieved by his fake lies. Both Aqeedah are not same at least interm of Allah's atrribute. Besides, there are many lies he said that need to be exposed and corrected. 

Of course, everyone lies but your deviant sect, a sect that has been notorious for embarking on "creative translations".

The author of your piece did not even explain what he meant by "loftiness", which amounts to God exisiting in space and time with a position propelling Himself. This is the irrational absuridty that your views leads to. 



 >So basically Muhammad saleh al-uthaymeen was presenting his own views rather than an original one when he said, 'Allah’s establishment on the throne means that He is sitting ‘in person’ on His Throne<

Sister that is lie as you will see soon.

>Brother abu Mujahid can you also shed some light on first two points raised by Brother Andalus, as to whether they are personal belief of Bilal philips and ibn baaz? and what is the real aqida regarding those matters?


OK. Let me address the first point and come back two other shiekhs.


First, Sh. Othaiymen, didn't said such stuff. What he said was what Ahlu sunnah said all along. As usual, he distorted like his Kabbani did the words of shiekh to fit his sick agenda

Sheikh Othaiymen said,

  "We believe that He ‘created the Heavens and the earth in Six days than He made Istawaa upon the Throne, He manages everything.' His Istawaa means that He is in Person above the Throne in a way that befits His Majesty and Greatness. Nobody Knows how He made Istawaa,"

Now compare to what this dahlani said about Othaiymen. The shiekh never said he is sitting on Kursi or Chair. he said He is above in person (Dat) above the throne as you see above.




Abu Mujahid

As far as "trustworthiness" is concerned, your deviant sect has been caught with their hands in the proverbial cookie jar tampering with texts. In a scenerio of, "he said/she said", you have no credibility.

Your kinder translation does no better for the anthropomorphist views that you are trying to conceal while you attempt to sell your delusion to millions of Muslims. The above translation still puts God in person above His throne, in person meaning that He has a position in space.

No, you have no room to point your fingers and accuse others of tampering with texts, your sect has matered that art!

A feeling of discouragement when you slip up is a sure sign that you put your faith in deeds. -Ibn 'Ata'llah
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