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Quote crasss Replybullet Posted: 21 May 2007 at 2:05pm
Originally posted by Whisper

You can share it with us, is this a phobia or some obsession of considerable standing?



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Quote crasss Replybullet Posted: 21 May 2007 at 2:11pm
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The day you begin to understand and feel Islam, you will be recover from this phase.

One of the things I understand about Islam is that it is a fantastic way to counter that government apparatus that likes to stick its nose there where it has absolutely no business.

There's the public sphere and there's the private sphere. Islam manages to protect the private sphere and keep the government away from there. They really have no business talking to my wife about me, to figure out if they can re-arrange things behind my back. If they do that with Muslims, they get a hand grenade in their face. I just love that!

Allah Akbar!

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Quote Duende Replybullet Posted: 22 May 2007 at 3:20am
"One of the things I understand about Islam is that it is a fantastic way to
counter that government apparatus that likes to stick its nose there where
it has absolutely no business."

You mean, like when the Iranian government decrees how women should
dress? or when the sorely missed Taleban of Afghanistan decreed how
long your beard should be? or maybe you mean in Egypt where they
recently decreed that a male and female work colleague can not be in the
same room together unless he has "suckled from her breast for more
than five months?" Or perhaps you were thinking of the Saudi regime
which forbids women from driving a car?



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Quote mariyah Replybullet Posted: 22 May 2007 at 5:56am
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So, now you finally get it.

My friend, for a moment I had genuinely thought that you could understand wht I have said, but, sadly, your pre-occulation with fornication made you fly far past my point.

Asalaamu alaikum:

 yes, there seems to be a pre-occupation with fornication with this one, is he celibate or something?

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Quote mariyah Replybullet Posted: 22 May 2007 at 5:58am
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Originally posted by Whisper

...brother Crass...I am sure, his reaction and remarks would have been entirely different had this post been from someone with a Muslim sounding name...

It's double taquilla now. What's the use of that?

Tequila, now that's haram !
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Quote Duende Replybullet Posted: 22 May 2007 at 10:37am
Oh! TEQUILA!

See, he wrote TAQUILLA which over here means "box office".

Anyway, I still don't understand what he was getting at even if he was
referring to alcohol
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Quote Duende Replybullet Posted: 05 June 2007 at 3:15am
The mirage of the two-state solution

40th Anniversary of the Six-Day War. Solution on which all agree
impossible to achieve

By George Bisharat
San Francisco Chronicle

06/04/07 "SFC" --- -- Forty years ago this week, Israel conquered the
West Bank and Gaza Strip, re-establishing a political system in which one
sovereign ruled over all of former Palestine. Unnoticed by the world, this
brought about a version of a "single state solution" to the Palestinian-
Israeli conflict -- albeit one in which Palestinians and Jews do not have
equal rights.

Instead, Israel has ruled the West Bank and Gaza Strip through military
governments that control the daily lives of millions of Palestinians in
every aspect, yet in which they have no say. Although Palestinians now
elect representatives to a Palestinian Authority, these officials administer
the tiny Gaza Strip, and less than 20 percent of the West Bank. Their
powers scarcely exceed those of county supervisors.

Meanwhile, international opinion has steadily solidified behind a "two
state solution." In this scenario, independent Jewish and Palestinian states
would divide the land between the Mediterranean coast and the River
Jordan. By the mid-1970s, most states in the U.N. General Assembly
supported Palestinian nationhood. In 1988, the PLO explicitly recognized
Israel within its pre-1967 borders, agreeing to sovereignty over the West
Bank and Gaza Strip, together comprising just 22 percent of former
Palestine.

The United States finally joined the bandwagon in 2002, when President
Bush called for two democratic states living side by side in his "Roadmap
to Peace." Even Israel has signed on, although its conception of what
territory and powers a Palestinian state should possess is more
constrictive than anyone else's.

Ironically, this unanimity, so laboriously assembled over decades, upholds
a solution that is now impossible to achieve. Israel's program of
colonizing the West Bank has become irreversible, and the land base for a
viable Palestinian state has disappeared. Some 450,000 Israeli settlers
now occupy more than 140 settlements in East Jerusalem and the West
Bank. These Jewish settlements, the security swaths around them, the
roads linking them to each other and to Israel, and the "separation wall"
that pens Palestinians into discontiguous islands of land, cover more than
40 percent of the West Bank. Much of this is either private Palestinian
property, seized without compensation, or state lands in which
Palestinians hold traditional use rights that Israel refuses to respect.

Meanwhile, Israel's colonizing juggernaut rolls ahead. Recently, plans to
build 2,500 new homes for Israeli settlers east of Jerusalem were
announced, and orders were given to continue construction of the
"separation wall" in the Jordan Valley. There appears to be no political
force capable of slowing, let alone halting, this movement.

A comforting illusion has been fostered that if Palestinians and Israelis
could only be coaxed back into negotiations, the elusive two-state
solution would somehow materialize. The interests of leaders on all sides
are served by this fiction, although for different reasons. For President
Bush, an appearance of progress toward Palestinian-Israeli peace quells
hostility toward the United States in the Middle East, and eases policy
options elsewhere in the region, including Iraq. The PLO leadership,
personified in the hapless Mahmoud Abbas, staked its entire political
legitimacy in the Oslo accords and the endless "peace process" it
inaugurated. Abandoning negotiations toward a two-state solution would
constitute an admission that it had led the Palestinians into a terrible
dead-end. Israel mollifies the United States by engaging in the
negotiation charade, exploits the continuing indeterminacy to continue
colonizing the West Bank, and advances its strategic objective of
permanent control over most or all of former Palestine. Like the
shimmering waters of a desert mirage, the two-state solution moves just
out of reach with every apparent advancing step.

The tragedy is that temporizing in the face of this inevitable truth
ultimately serves neither Israeli Jews, nor Palestinian Arabs, nor
Americans. Continued conflict in the region hurts the direct parties in
obvious ways, and also deeply undermines the status of the United States
in the Arab and Muslim worlds. Our reflexive support of Israel, even in its
self-destructive policies, is a prime cause of hostility against us.

The number of Israeli Jews and Palestinian Arabs living within the borders
of former Palestine are now roughly equivalent, at just more than 5
million each. The question is: Will political power within this single
political system continue to be exercised in what former ANC member
and current South African Intelligence Minister Ronnie Kasrils and others
have described as an acute form of apartheid? Or will Palestinian Arabs
and Israeli Jews enjoy equal rights and share power fairly in what is
already a joint polity? For those who support peace, justice and respect
for international law, the choice should be obvious.

George Bisharat is a professor of law at Hastings College of the Law, and
writes frequently on law and politics in the Middle East.

This article appeared on page B - 7 of the San Francisco Chronicle

2007 Hearst Communications Inc
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Quote Cassandra Replybullet Posted: 06 June 2007 at 1:42pm

Whisper, Crass, Duende,

Stop derailing this thread with non-sequiturs: either sign the ******petition, or come up with a relevant reason why you don't agree. These people at avaaz are trying to do something which I have never seen on this Forum: Make a Difference by engaging public opinion.  They ask you to stand up and be counted: literally.

Is nothing ever going to change here?

Judge Dredd (!) is a Newbie...what must s/he think of your self-serving antics? Thanks to you, this has got lost in obscurity.....

For what it is worth, JD, I remind Forum members of where you started before the Egos took over.

http://www.avaaz.org/en/real_middle_east_talks/

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