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Quote Israfil Replybullet Posted: 09 May 2007 at 12:46am
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Quite Sad...Warning if you are a "rational" parent this may be disturbing. BTW this was taken off by PMW [Palestinian Media Watch] not any other sites.

 

http://www.pmw.org.il/Bulletins_may2007.htm#b060507

Those who made this I am ashamed they are even called Muslims......I now know why I don't support the current Palestinian regime.

 


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Hey Israfil:
You need to chill out!
Leave the cousins alone it is none of your cotton picken business what they do over there, how they do it.
Don't you know every thing is fair in love and war. They got to do what they got to do!
They are fightin the heavy weights of this world even if they can't win they will end up as #2 and that's not bad at all.
If you can be in the ring with the champ how can you do wrong as long as you keep fighting.
You can't fill their shoes!!!

It pains me to even try to decipher this post since I had a hard time distinguishing whether it was serious or it was a joke. Yes, I agree that I cannot "fill their shoes" but the fact of the matter is, while they are focusing teaching their children how to fight Israel they are losing time in rebuilding their people. A constant focus on the external world while problems with the infrastructure still exist only sustains the problem.

Originally posted by Abu Mujahid

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Abu Mujahid and Crass,

Your views are exactly what ignorant people who have no understanding of Islam will look. Not even taking the sociopolitical problems in the Middle East if we are to teach Islam as a religion of peace we must speak out openly against things that tarnish the image of Islam.

Israfil

Your follow up shows Americanized Islamic version that Jews and its baby zionist has failed to export to muslim world. Moreover, how you balantly disregarded the basic truth that we uphold dear in Quran and sunnah. Good luck for your futile attempt to defend Jews and American aggression on Islamic world in the name of Gandi Style. The good news is no one is buying it. Even muslim Americans don't buy it. So you and likes have a tough task to sell this cheap unislamic commodity. 

Meanwhile, you cried for Islam image as Islam needs makeover and PR campaign. Islam need no image and remaking. Islam need people who tell the word of Allah in its pure and sound. Didn't you know Sahaba and rest of Salaf preached Islam with clearity and sincerity. The Roman/Persian media/military/political machine didn't deter them nor itimidate them in second by telling them who they were. For many real muslims, Islam makeover is self defeatism innovation that feeble minded dangle around in time of need true muslims stand tall without fear. One of third or more of world population are muslims so what world we are talking about.

Israfil,  I give you brotherly advice, learn real Islam before you spew outdated human poor thinking in the name of Islam. I really feel sorry for the sad status for many who want to understand the basic foundation of Islam according to the socio-political dogma dominant they puddle with. How many versus in Quran ask muslims to defend themselves if they were attacked? countless. Its human instinct. Jews are aggressors and need to be kicked out from muslim land by force not by singing we are together.......!!!! if that is hate/backwardness then you need to check out outpatient clinic.

 

May Allah guide you to right path....Amen

 

Abu Mujahid

So let me get this straight. Because I criticized the Palestinian regime I am not a real Muslim or know Islam? How does the current Palestinian regime and whether I support it or not equates to learning [or even following] true Islam? Because they claim to be muslims therefore I support them? Whenever a regime regardless whether its muslim or not incites violence through small children who have no understanding of the world beyond them it infuriates me. Because we are taking our adult issues and implanting them in children so when they grow up they hate what we couldn't finish. To me the logic of that regime does not exist. They are cowards and they have shown they are cowards because they depend on children to win battles for them. Obviouslt they have given up their ability to use their brains so they think an Ak-47 [Notice they are teaching children the caliber and models of weapons] will solve their problems.

I can't believe you call it "unislamic commodity" because I advocate better alternatives than inciting violence through children? You also say my methods are unislamic because I defer to intellectual ways of solving issues rather than physical? Yes i'm a serious non-muslim on that matter. fortunately for you and those that think on the same line as you can live in the small hole called ignorance while others like myself look for ways to empower others. If you believe my rejection of Palestinian methods of fighting for their homeland [such as creating neutral entities like Mickey Mouse to promote violence] as a non-muslim behavior then I'll gladly take that title. I'd rather live with men than kill them.

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Quote crasss Replybullet Posted: 09 May 2007 at 12:57am
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sexual promiscuity will hardly destroy a nation, if anything (since this is merely hypothetical) it will inhibit a nation.

You underestimate the long-term effects of family breakdown. It does not just inhibit civilizations, it destroys them.

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Quote crasss Replybullet Posted: 09 May 2007 at 4:32am
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For many real muslims, Islam makeover is self defeatism innovation that feeble minded dangle around in time of need true muslims stand tall without fear.

I agree very much with your statement.

I do certainly not want to discourage the Muslims who actively fight in the battlefields, and I think they have a role to play, in showing that Muslims mean it, and stamp out defaitism, but in the end, I believe victory will come from elsewhere.

The western empire is self-destructive. By ripping apart the family structure and condoning, even endorsing promiscuity, which rips the family structure even further apart, I just know that their empire will come down sooner or later, nobody knows exactly when, but it won't take that long.

If the Palestinians manage to stick to Islam, they will maintain their strength, and sooner or later just walk over the Zionists, who won't be able to put up a fight from the depths of the increasingly filthy depravity in which they are wallowing.

So, I also reject criticism regarding the ones who are more radical, because the last thing they need is to hear, is discouragements from their own side, while they are risking their lives for the common cause.

Ninety percent of the work consists in maintaining chastity and faith, while the other side does not, and be patient. We know certain things about the One God through the scriptures, and we know that we must heed the warnings concerning chastity and faith, and we can see that the Zionists of Israel are not heeding the warnings. They are westernized and indulge in filth. That is why I believe that there will be no need to defeat them, since they are happily busy defeating themselves.



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Quote Israfil Replybullet Posted: 10 May 2007 at 12:48am
Crass your comment made no sense to me
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Quote crasss Replybullet Posted: 10 May 2007 at 1:39am
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Crass your comment made no sense to me

Ok. The Zionists in Israel are westernized and indulge in filth. There will be no need for anyone to defeat them, because they are already busy defeating themselves.

That's why I say: Palestinians mostly need to maintain chastity and faith; and be patient. Indeed, unbelievably but true, the problem of Zionism will largely solve itself.

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Quote Israfil Replybullet Posted: 11 May 2007 at 1:44am
Crass I got ya the first time but I still don't understand why you are stuck on promiscuity. Are you trying to tell me something bro?
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Quote crasss Replybullet Posted: 11 May 2007 at 3:36am
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Crass I got ya the first time but I still don't understand why you are stuck on promiscuity. Are you trying to tell me something bro?

The Quran does not warn against sexual promiscuity for nothing at all. Promiscuity triggers a destructive process of family breakdown and social breakdown, that eventually leads to the destruction of society. The Jews know this, because the Torah and the Prophets say exactly the same.

Now look at th
e Zionists in Israel. They are celebrating one big, depraved, increasingly homosexual porn party. The divorce rate is soaring. Illegitimacy is rampant. The families are falling apart into disconnected individuals.

Zionist/W
estern fornicationfest in Israel
A third of all children are born out of wedlock, he said, and half of all marriages end in divorce. That means "two out of three children have a pretty good chance of being in a family without a father.

Where did they copy the trend from?

American fornicationfest
ATLANTA - Out-of-wedlock births in the United States have climbed to an all-time high, accounting for nearly four in 10 babies born last year, government health officials said Tuesday.

If you want to help the Zionists, you should try to write a manual on how a Zionist single mother can still manage to raise her illegitimate children obtained through fornication.

R
esults of the fornicationfest
The empirical evidence shows that too many young men and women from broken families tend to have a much weaker sense of connection with their neighborhood and are prone to exploit its members to satisfy their unmet needs or desires. This contributes to a loss of a sense of community and to the disintegration of neighborhoods into social chaos and violent crime. If policymakers are to deal with the root causes of crime, therefore, they must deal with the rapid rise of illegitimacy.

Social b
reakdown has nothing to do with poverty
The central proposition in official Washington's thinking about crime is that poverty is the primary cause of crime. In its simplest form, this contention is absurd; if it were true, there would have been more crime in the past, when more people were poorer. And in poorer nations, the crime rates would be higher than in the United States.

Psychopathology and delinquency
Over forty years ago, this phenomenon was highlighted in the classic studies of the causes of delinquency by Sheldon and Eleanor Glueck of Harvard University. They described in academic terms what many children hear their mothers so often say: "Wait till your father gets home!" In a well-functioning family, the very presence of the father embodies authority, an authority conveyed through his daily involvement in family life. This paternal authority is critical to the prevention of psychopathology and delinquency.

So, family breakdown leads to social breakdown. Then, what leads to family breakdown?

Sexual promiscuity
It is no coincidence that one of the central rules in the traditional moral codes of all communities at all times, in all places, and in all cultures is the prohibition against giving birth to children outside of marriage.

Whenever there is too high a concentration of broken families in any community, that community will disintegrate. Only so many dysfunctional families can be sustained before the moral and social fabric of the community itself breaks down.

Pr
emarital sex
Simple cross-tabulations from the 1988 National Survey of Family Growth indicate that women who were sexually active prior to marriage faced a considerably higher risk of marital disruption than women were were virgin brides.

Family br
eakdown is the lowest in societies where men (or their families) categorically refuse to marry a bride if she is not a virgin. Why?

The 2004 survey found that 93% of divorce cases were petitioned by women.

Insisting that the future wife be virgin, makes it very difficult for a divorced woman to find another husband, and turns divorce into a very bad prospect.

Therefore, the socially optimal survival strategy, to prevent family breakdown, consists in:

(1) Marry a virgin wife
(2) Keep your daughters virgin until marriage

No wonder all cultures across the globe, discovered these rules.

The western anti-culture's brothel does things differently, and that will lead to its collapse. There is actually no turning back for the West. The dynamics of the situation are such that the collapse is inevitable, whatever they try. It is too late. The West can not be salvaged.



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Quote Israfil Replybullet Posted: 12 May 2007 at 1:14pm

Crass,

Arabs, Jews, Blacks and any other ethnic class have people who are promiscuous so, what is your point? Without statistical eveidence (relevant to the subject of course) all the things you are positing here are simple opinions that have no validity in them. Besides, your talking off the point here. The point is the Hamas government had a neutral Disney figure (mind you this is a Western image they are using which is a source of innocence) and using it to teach children how to fight. There is no righteousness in anything if children are being taught at an age of impression to fight. There is no righteousness teaching a child the model of a rifle and the caliber of its bullets. There is no righteousness in convincing a small child (or children) to take the land of Israel back by force.

I don't care what religion you are, that kind of mentality is unacceptable. I empathize with the Palestinian people as far as their frustration is concerned, but at the same time violence is not the way and if you cannot avoid being violent don't bring that to the children. Children do not need to learn how to be violent.

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