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    Posted: 17 May 2005 at 10:55am

Assalamu alaikum,

I encourage all my brothers and sisters to read the article posted on Islamicity's homepage about Uzbekistan. I have for years been decrying the brutality of the dictator Karimov; the Jazlik political prison, built on a toxic waste dump in order to slowly poison the prisoners; his boiling alive of people for showing outward piety; and many other atrocities that he has committed.

And who is his closest ally? The United States, of course. Nor is this a result of Bush's policies. Clinton too knew of Karimov's barbarity and yet chose to help him financially and politically because it was politically expedient.

The support of wholesale torture and murder is not a republican nor a democratic trait. It is an American trait.



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Quote MOCKBA Replybullet Posted: 18 May 2005 at 11:24pm

As-salaamu'alaikum Brother Yusuf,

There is a lot more to happen in Central Asia... Kyrgyszstan was just a preface. I have no doubt that what we see today is the continuation of The Great Game the earlier part of which was between Victorian Britain and Tsarist Russia, taking place from Caucasus to China over Pamirs and Karakorams, thorugh the caravan roads of the old Silk Road... race for the riches of the East.

An excellent work by Peter Hopkirk ["The Great Game" The Struggle from Empire in Central Asia] continues to shed some light on the current situation. The players have not changed, they might have changed their seats, but the Game goes on... the betrayal is on, the opression... and most importantly death of innocents through beheading and slaughtering. I mentioned of the book once in this forum, but not sure if it caught anyone's attention...

Bush's "expansion on the war on terror by toppling tyrants" was a clear message that Central Asia is his next destination... And America, as history has shown, does not find it betraying to stage yet another sensational toppling of her ally and replace him with a new (and likely, english-speaking) puppet (folded in a traditional caftan), just to create an "illusion" of liberation and gain public's willing submission... 'Support' would be a softer word here, for during the last few centuries, people in this region were brought up to submit and not just support their leaders, sultans and khans.

Lookign at the area from a birds eye-view, Uzbekisan would seem "unlimited freedom" when compared to Turkmenistan...

...and these are places, with Samrakand, Bukhara, Hiva that many Muslims proudly recall to be some of the main centres of their history culture, heritage and knowledge. Now it's the land of the hungry, uneducated, misguided, opressed and tortured... not because of Communists, Tsarists, Capitalists or Jews but because of Muslims... Muslims that turned ignorant on their brothers, on their neighbors... Muslims that became distant from the basics of Islaam... Muslims that have ceased to be Muslims... but retained their Muslim names. 

And speaking of names, ever noticed Karimov's first name? The name that his mother and father called him since the day he was born, the name that he heard being called more than any other name and which he, as it seems was most ignorant of - is... Islam.

   

 



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Quote kim! Replybullet Posted: 18 May 2005 at 11:39pm

Ah well, maybe the idea is to let the US march all over ANY country it wants to, take a bit of punishment, take their "support", take their money, take their democracy, etc, etc...then when all countries have some form of democracy and the US runs out of money, power and young people...maybe the countries can choose their OWN future with the use of democracy.

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Quote kim! Replybullet Posted: 18 May 2005 at 11:48pm

 

"He's our sonofabitch..."        

http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,1486298,00.ht ml

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Quote Yusuf. Replybullet Posted: 19 May 2005 at 9:52am
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"He's our sonofabitch..."        

http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,1486298,00.ht ml

very famous quote, kim.

should replace "In God We Trust" on the currency. More accurately reflects America's true nature.

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Quote kim! Replybullet Posted: 19 May 2005 at 3:30pm

"Quarantine the aggressor", Franklin Roosevelt 1937.

http://www.tamu.edu/comm/pres/speeches/fdrquara.html

I discovered this speech last night listening to a discussion on the radio about a new book called "The crisis of American Democracy" by David North:

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2004/dec2004/book-d22.shtml

 

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Quote Yusuf. Replybullet Posted: 23 May 2005 at 1:02pm
TO: THE UNITED NATIONS, OSCE, U.S.PRESIDENT BUSH,
U.S. CONGRESS,
AND TO OUR UZBEK FRIENDS


May 17, 2005

We, the participants in the Network of the Center for Pluralism, and friends –from over twenty countries from Kyrgystan to Serbia and Montenegro, from Lithuania to Crimea – that is from countries which were under communist dictatorships are outraged by the recent events in Uzbekistan and by the lack of adequate response from the democratic countries.
As democratic activists, former dissidents and oppositionists, journalists, human rights activists, members of parliament and ordinary citizens, we do not accept the Uzbek government explanations that the events were provoked by “Islamic radicals”, and that shooting unarmed women and children is part of the “global war on terrorism”.

We know enough about Uzbekistan to be able to understand unarmed people’s protests against injustice and against dictatorship. We know enough history to remember the millions of people murdered as “trockists” in the Soviet Union. Calling the popular protests “Islamic revolts” is a way to gain the West’s sympathy and silence about torture and relentless persecution of human rights activists and critics of the Uzbek’s regime.

We appeal to the United Nations to put immediately the Uzbek’s government repression against its own population on the agenda, to activate different U.N. agencies to act accordingly to their mandate;
We appeal to the OSCE to send immediately observers and monitors to the towns and cities of the Fergana Valley, to the border crossings between Uzbekistan and Kyrgystan and to Tashkent and larger cities were peaceful demonstrations against the bloody government response are broken up by the security services.
We appeal to the OSCE to establish an Inquiry Commission to assess the real danger of “Islamic terrorism” in the Fergana Valley (or lack of it).
We appeal to President Bush to give credibility to his words and denounce the Uzbek dictatorship and to understand that the U.S. cannot be a partner, or a friend of a cruel dictatorship. The Uzbek people have the same aspirations and the same rights as the citizens of Georgia, Poland or the U.S.
We appeal to the U.S. Congress to open hearings on the recent events in Uzbekistan, and to condemn the bloodshed of peaceful demonstrators.
We want to tell the Uzbek people:  We know how hard it is to gain freedom and democracy; we know how many sacrifices you have made. We know that you are not standing up for any caliphates, or foreign movements. We know that you are going on the streets because you want to feed your families, because you don’t want millions of educated youngster s to leave every year for Russia and Turkey in search of jobs, because you want to elect your representatives, because you do not want to fear the policeman or the secret agent, because you want simple justice and freedom.
We want to tell you that you have many friends all around the world.

For contact and information:
Human rights center “Citizens against corruption”, Tolekan Ismailova, info@anticorruption.kg
Institute of Democracy in Eastern Europe, Irena Lasota, irena@idee.org
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