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Abu Mujahid
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![]() Posted: 21 May 2007 at 12:08pm |
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Originally posted by Sign*Reader
[QUOTE] I concur with Duende! You don't need to be so narrow minded in this VT massacre situation. Death's day is dooms day and any gesture on that day is beyond any scholar's interpretations. The people died at a place of higher learning I say all would get a special dispensation from Allah for their effort and forgiveness. You don't know what Allah has in store for them! So chill out! There is no such scenario in Quraan that could correspond to this horror and NO fishing here.
Those broadminded!!!! who compromise the very basic of Islam for apparent no reason except for ignorance/arrogance or fear from authority.......Those who want to rewrite Islam in the context of culture of fear....Those who fear for their comfort life/Citizenship/jobs .... Those who do sellout....Those who are progressive Islam in America who couldn't response my post......Its time to open your eyes and listen what Ulima (scholars) has said about this case:
"In the Name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful. All praise and thanks are due to Allah, and peace and blessings be upon His Messenger. Dear brother in Islam, we would like to thank you for showing keenness on knowing the teachings of Islam, and we appreciate the great confidence you have in us. We hope our efforts meet your expectations, yet we apologize for the late reply. Shedding more light on this issue, Sheikh `Attiyah Saqr, former Head of Al-Azhar Fatwa Committee, states the following:
Source: IslamOnline.net
May Allah show the truth.
Abu Mujahid
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Abu Mujahid
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![]() Posted: 21 May 2007 at 12:19pm |
April 20, 2007Liberal Arab Website Reports: Debate on Virginia Tech Muslim Students' Association Mailing List Concerning Permissibility of Praying for Mercy for Non-Muslim VictimsMohamed Ibn Guadi reports (thanks to PRK): The liberal Arabic-language website Aafaq reports that a Muslim student set off a debate when she sent an email to the mailing list of the Muslim Students' Association at Virginia Tech asking the students to pray that Allah have mercy on those killed and wounded in the shooting attack at the university. |
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Abu Mujahid
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![]() Posted: 21 May 2007 at 12:28pm |
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Finally this sister nailed down despite some small errors in her excellent post. May Allah reward her Jannah. Hope many readers in this medium will understand how this subject is clear cut. There is no room for negotiation and rewrite of our belief. Those who believe humanity bonds overide Islamic believe must realize they are selling cheap outdated Jew commodity. Read and enjoy this follow up post.
Posted by: Marwan'sDaughter It is haram to pray anything for a kafir. While he/she is alive you can only pray along the lines of "Allah guide them to Islam". Not even for health or wealth or etc. The reason being Islam is more important for their salvation than good health or money or relationship problems etc. Life in this world is temporary. All our good states and bad states (health, problems, worries etc.) in this life will come to an end. The next life is for ever and therefore more important and faith is THE primary personal obligation on all humans. You can wish them well and donate charity and etc to them, in certain cases its even necessary. A Muslim who sleeps with his/her belly full while the neighbour is hungry (be it Muslim or kafir) is wretched. But the only DUA (supplication/prayer) you can invoke for them is for them to be guided to Islam, because Islam is what they NEED, whether they want it or not and THE greatest mercy, blessing, asset etc. for a human being. Even for ourselves, we must first and foremost ask Allah to keep us steadfast on faith and forgive our sins and grant us death on the state of iman before we ask anything else. After their death, it is haram and kufr to pray for Allah's mercy on the soul of a nonbeliever. We go by the externally apparent when we say nonbeliever. Allah has promised an eternity of hell-fire for disbelievers and He does not go against his promise. He has said explicitly in the Quran that other than disbelief, any other sin will be forgiven. So to pray for peace or forgiveness or mercy on the soul of a disbeliever is IN ESSENCE making a mockery of the word of Allah and the promise of Allah and religion which is kufr. Allah is our creator and he owns us and has the first and foremost right on us. He gave us our parents, friends, health, wealth etc. Our love and loyalty for his gifts CAN NOT supercede our loyalty to Him and His Messenger icon_saws.gif . The prophet icon_saws.gif has said that none of us have faith until he is dearer to us than any other creation. We cant possibly be more loyal to a rejector of Muhammad icon_saws.gif than we are to Muhammad icon_saws.gif himself. We cant possibly love or respect someone who does not believe in Allah and His Messenger icon_saws.gif and rejects them. Would you be friends with a person who insults your father and mother unnecessarily? Allah and His Messenger icon_saws.gif have more rights on you than your parents. Moreover, would you ask your parents to meet and greet this person when you know he will insult them to their faces? In this life the disbelievers recieve Allah's mercy, food, rain, health, wealth, kids etc. Allah's mercy in the next life is for believers exclusively. A kafir is NOT rewarded for his/her good deeds in the next life. A kafir is rewarded for his/her good deeds in this life itself. NO amount of good actions can bail one out of the crime of disbelief. The Quran says in numerous places "Yaa ayyuhal ladheena aamanoo wa 3amilus saalihaat" (O you who BELIEVE and commit good deeds). Always the aamanoo (the belief part) is a precursor to the amal salih (good deed). There are places with standalone "yaa ayyuhal ladheena aamanoo" (O you who believe) but you wont find a stand alone (O you who do good deeds). Thats because good deeds without faith in this life are meaningless as far as the NEXT LIFE is concerned. Nowhere in the Quran is there a promise of peace or mercy or reward for people who do good deeds but do not believe. Rather theres the promise of Allah of His wrath. Their file is closed once they pass away. Allah will give them what they deserve.
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Israfil
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![]() Posted: 21 May 2007 at 12:50pm |
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Well Abu Mujahid If this is your kind of Islam I chose the wrong religion then. what kind of religion, especially if such a religion boast to come from a MERCIFUL GOD and LOVING GOD forbid a muslim to pray to this MERCIFUL GOD for the souls of innocent people (by innocence I mean individuals who did nothing to warrant being killed). I must be wrong. But then again I have been told (I think that was you Abu the poo poo) that I am following a water down American version of Islam. If that is the case (and the consensus of other Muslims) I cease to be one I guess. But I would be damned to serve a "heartless" god who commands his followers to not pray for the souls of the very creation he designed. To me this would be an utter contradiction to God's mercy therefore I would assume rationally that muslims who reject the prayer for non-muslims would be the conservative view of Islam. Unless you can provide a Quranic detail of this (also Hadith) I consider this belief simply a conservative notion not law. |
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Sign*Reader
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![]() Posted: 21 May 2007 at 4:40pm |
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Originally posted by Abu Mujahid
Those broadminded!!!! who compromise the very basic of Islam for apparent no reason except for ignorance/arrogance or fear from authority.... You are absolutely a comic character who is making a mountain of a mole hill and doing a great disservice to the good name of the religion of Islam, If you profess to be such big practitioner of fundamentalism you shouldn’t
be breathing the air of a kafir country like of the What is the relevance of the authority in this context I see some strain of internet psychosis the way you are behaving. It is you who is hiding from authority behind this internet! BTW internet is the creation of the authority you are talking about! Talk about ignorance is it not pot calling the kettle black? Who will buy your
brand of Islam? I think try taking your stuff to
Originally posted by Abu Mujahid
..Those who want to rewrite Islam in the context of culture of fear....Those who fear for their comfort life/Citizenship/jobs .... No body is rewriting Islam; it is figment of your imagination. Your argument
about comfort life/Citizenship/jobs
is totally lame. If the so called Islamic countries can’t provide these things to Muslims then it is none of your cotton pickin business to talk about these things. You should be ashamed of yourself for bringing this up.
Originally posted by Abu Mujahid
Those who do sellout....Those who are
progressive Islam in .... What nonsense are your talking about? The nominal Muslims did not come US for Islam, but they are discovering it here by default, and I bet they will be better than those they left behind... Most mosques were setup after the Iranian hostage crisis of 1979, that should tell you something about the time line of Islamic practice in the US
Originally posted by Abu Mujahid ..Its time to open your eyes and listen what Ulima
(scholars) has said about this case: You got me on the soap box now you will hear me out whether you like it not. The Muslims have lived too long on the fat of the land and became fat, dumb and happy and then got colonized/enslaved by the Europeans. What happened to the application of Quraan & sunnah and all the scholarships? Now you are talking about opening the eyes on such trivial matter and call of Ulama, don't they have any better things to put their energies on? I think your types need to learn manners before lecturing others. You & your ilk lack US perspective totally, may be you are too immature to know any better! How do explain Muslims diaspora today? Must have have screwed up some how! You are a classic hypocrite with an empty rhetoric
trying to provoke where there is no need to. So far there are no takers of your POV. You are have hijacked the thread for no rhyme or reason. Your argument
is totally misplaced the thread was about a split second decision made by a dying
Brother Waleed instead people sharing some decent thoughts here you have totally messed it up due to your psychosis for real. You need some clinical help before it is too late! ![]() Lastly don't try copy n paste whole pages from places which have no relevance to the US context. It doesn't impress at all >>>>>><<<<<<< Edited by Sign*Reader |
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Abu Mujahid
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![]() Posted: 21 May 2007 at 9:24pm |
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BTW, how long were you hidding with this venom among American muslims?
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Israfil
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![]() Posted: 21 May 2007 at 10:38pm |
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Abu Mujahid, What exactly are you exposing? If you re-read my post I said this: "If this is your kind of Islam I chose the wrong religion then." I never said I will leave Islam. Maybe [like your inability to type good english] learn to read better. In your version of Islam a Muslim shouldn't pray for a non-muslim nor help them [even if they are innocent and defenseless]. This is something which you provide no proof for since you say you "care for Islam." What are you exposing again? If you look at the last few post they were about YOU, not me. Even if I did leave Islam do you honestly I'd tell you Moron? Yes I'm slightly pissed. Not at what you say but because your st**idity is annoying and from henceforth I seriously have nothing to say to you. |
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Hayfa
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Joined: 07 June 2005 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 2370 |
![]() Posted: 22 May 2007 at 7:31am |
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none of knows what is in another person's heart. And really none of us chooses are death. We could die in 5 minutes, we can die in 30 years. Allah chooses for us. So really then is Allah a fool??? Allah chose for this person to live. The person that Brother Waleed saved, Allah has another plan for him. Who ar ewe to question Allah?? Brother Waleed in the heat of the moment, chose to help another human being. Remember that in the Prophet's time the Prophet had nonMoslems living in Medina with him. He chose to "protect" them by not throwing them out. My prayers go out to Brother Waleed's family. |
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