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Quote Abu Mujahid Replybullet Posted: 21 May 2007 at 12:08pm

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I concur with Duende!

You don't need to be so narrow minded in this VT massacre situation. Death's day is dooms day and any gesture on that day is beyond any scholar's interpretations. The people died at a place of higher learning I say all would get a special dispensation from Allah for their effort and forgiveness. You don't know what Allah has in store for them!

So chill out!
There is no such scenario in Quraan that could correspond to this horror and NO fishing here.

 

Those broadminded!!!! who compromise the very basic of Islam for apparent no reason except for ignorance/arrogance or fear from authority.......Those who want to rewrite Islam in the context of culture of fear....Those who fear for their comfort life/Citizenship/jobs  .... Those who do sellout....Those who are progressive Islam in America who couldn't response my post......Its time to open your eyes and listen what Ulima (scholars) has said about this case:

 

"In the Name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.

All praise and thanks are due to Allah, and peace and blessings be upon His Messenger.

Dear brother in Islam, we would like to thank you for showing keenness on knowing the teachings of Islam, and we appreciate the great confidence you have in us. We hope our efforts meet your expectations, yet we apologize for the late reply.

As regards your question, we’d like to make it clear that Allah Almighty never disregards any good deed, be it from a believer or a disbeliever; He gives good reward for it. But the point here is, as a believer does good deeds, he does so with certain belief that he will be rewarded in the Hereafter; i.e. whatever he does, it’s for the sake of Allah, and he will get its reward in the Hereafter. However, there are people who are good and benevolent by nature, and many of them love their brothers and sisters in humanity, despite that they are not believers.

Explaining the type of reward granted to such people, the Kuwaiti Encyclopedia of Islamic Jurisprudence makes it clear that there is surely a reward in this world for people who, despite lacking iman (belief), contribute to the progress of mankind, are good by nature, giving charity…etc. But the criterion for getting reward in the Hereafter is belief. This is based on the Hadith, in which the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, states: “Allah never disregards a good deed of a believer; he reward him for it in this world and in the Hereafter. As for a disbeliever, he is rewarded for the good deeds in this world so that when he is in the Afterlife, no more reward will be there for him.”.

In making this point more clearer, clarifying that Jannah (Paradise) is for believers, Sheikh Hamed Al-`Ali, instructor of Islamic Heritage at the Faculty of Education, Kuwait and Imam of Dahiat As-Sabahiyya Mosque, states:

“No one will enter Jannah (Paradise) except a believer. Almighty Allah says in the Qur’an “And the dwellers of the Fire cry out unto the dwellers of the Garden: Pour on us some water or some wherewith Allah hath provided you. They say: Lo! Allah hath forbidden both to disbelievers (in His guidance).” (Al-‘Araaf: 50)

Also the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, is reported to have said: “You will not enter Paradise until you believe.” (Agreed upon hadith)

This is one of signs of Allah’s absolute justice, because when a disbeliever does something good in this world, he or she does it for the sake of a worldly gain, and it is granted to him/her. On the contrary, a believer does his or her action for the sake of seeking reward in the Hereafter, and it is on this basis he or she is granted reward according to his or her intention.

Thus, Allah gives everyone what he or she has striven for. The believer has striven and worked for the success in the Hereafter, and as such he or she is given the same recompense for his work. But as for the disbeliever, as long as his deeds do not spring from belief (part of which is believing in the Hereafter), then he or she is not admitted to Paradise. The Kafir, or disbeliever, does not seek or strive for what is in the Hereafter, rather he or she wants to attain the pleasures in this life such as seeking people’s admiration, peace of mind, etc. If the Kafir wishes and really seeks the reward in the Hereafter, he or she would right away believe in Allah, the Hereafter, and follow the messengers of Allah and never disbelieve in any of them, because disbelieving in anyone of them would be counted as disbelieving in all messengers since the message they all brought is the same and each Prophet believed in whoever came before him and gave glad tidings to the Prophet who would come after him.

In brief, Jannah is only granted for those who strive for it and there are some conditions to be met for a person to be admitted to Jannah. Whoever works in this life for the sake of the Hereafter and fulfills the conditions of Jannah, he or she will be admitted to it. Conversely, those who fail to work for Jannah or work for it but do not fulfill its conditions will never enter it. This is the absolute justice of Allah, and Allah does not do injustice to any body.”

Shedding more light on this issue, Sheikh `Attiyah Saqr, former Head of Al-Azhar Fatwa Committee, states the following:

“ In terms of the reward of the Hereafter, it is totally agreed upon that a disbeliever receives no reward in the Hereafter nor does a believer who offers good deeds out of showing off. However, when talking about the reward of this world, the case is different in the sense that every one is paid for his deeds whether bad or good. Thus, a disbeliever receives reward for the good deeds he offers in this world. Almighty Allah says: “ And when Abraham prayed: My Lord! Make this a region of security and bestow upon its people fruits, such of them as believe in Allah and the Last Day, He answered: As for him who disbelieveth, I shall leave him in contentment for a while, then I shall compel him to the doom of fire a hapless journey's end!” (Al-Baqarah: 126) Almighty Allah also says: “ Whoso desireth the life of the world and its pomp, We shall repay them their deeds herein, and therein they will not be wronged. Those are they for whom is naught in the Hereafter save the Fire. (All) that they contrive here is vain and (all) that they are wont to do is fruitless.” (Hud: 15-16)

All these Qur’anic verses make it clear that both a believer and a disbeliever get reward in this life for their good deeds. However, there is another reward for a believer in the Hereafter while a disbeliever is denied such a reward, due to his disbelief. Muslim reported that `Aisha, may Allah be pleased, asked the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him: “O Messenger of Allah! It was the trait of Ibn Jud`aan in pre-Islamic period to feed the needy and keep ties of kinship, will he benefit from these good deeds?(in the Hereafter)” The Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, said: “No, for he never said: ‘My Lord! Forgive my sin on the Day of Judgment’” i.e. he was doing all that while insisting on disbelief.”

 

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Quote Abu Mujahid Replybullet Posted: 21 May 2007 at 12:19pm

April 20, 2007

Liberal Arab Website Reports: Debate on Virginia Tech Muslim Students' Association Mailing List Concerning Permissibility of Praying for Mercy for Non-Muslim Victims

Mohamed Ibn Guadi reports (thanks to PRK):

The liberal Arabic-language website Aafaq reports that a Muslim student set off a debate when she sent an email to the mailing list of the Muslim Students' Association at Virginia Tech asking the students to pray that Allah have mercy on those killed and wounded in the shooting attack at the university.

According to Aafaq, the dean of student affairs at American International University, Abu Hamza Hijji, responded, writing that Allah the Most Merciful forbids praying for mercy for the non-Muslim dead, or even for the non-Muslim living, and that it is only permitted to pray that they be rightly guided. He added that what happened was a sad occurrence, but that does not give Muslims the right to transgress the laws of Allah the Most Merciful.

Aafaq reported that a student named Chris, a recent convert, did not agree, and wrote that he usually does not intervene in this kind of discussion, but that this time he had to say "no." He added that his German teacher, who was wounded in the shooting, is a good man, and that he was praying that he would not die. He said that he would pray for him and for his family, whether they are Muslims or not, and would pray for all those who suffered from this calamity. He expressed the view that religion must bring people together, and not drive them apart, and that the brotherhood of humanity takes precedence over brotherhood of religion or of state.

According to Aafaq, Hijji answered Chris, saying that there is no problem with praying that non-Muslims be kept safe and not be killed, if there is hope that they might be guided [to the right path]; but one cannot pray for the non-Muslim dead, since there is no chance of their being guided. He said that the Prophet Muhammad had told the Muslim soldiers at the battle of Badr to not kill some of the nonbelievers, even though they were on the battlefield, as they had treated Muhammad well when he was in Mecca.

Hijji wrote that the students should ask Allah to save Chris' teacher (i.e. the German teacher) from death and turn his heart to the truth. But he said at the same time that the Prophet did not pray for forgiveness for the non-Muslims, and in particular did not ask Allah to have mercy on them, even those whom the Prophet had wanted to be guided when they were alive. Once they died, the Prophet was not permitted to ask for mercy for them. Hijji added that the Prophet behaved this way on Allah's instructions.

Hijji wrote that the relative importance of brotherhood in humanity or religion needs to be evaluated according to Allah's laws, and not according to human reason. He added that he might seem to be a hard-hearted person, but that this is what people throughout the generations said about the prophets and messengers who came with God's message to guide others to the truth.

According to Aafaq, some students expressed their uneasiness with the discussion and asked to be taken off the mailing list, while others tried to justify the seemingly difficult matter.

Aafaq noted that at least one Muslim student, Waleed Shaalan, had been killed in the attacks.

Source: Aafaq.org, April 17, 2007

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Do you see the similarity between Chris (convert) and these fellow defeatist argument. "Have they transmitted this saying? Nay, they are themselves a people transgressing beyond bounds" Surat althariyat; verse:53

 

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Quote Abu Mujahid Replybullet Posted: 21 May 2007 at 12:28pm

Finally this sister nailed down despite some small errors in her excellent post. May Allah reward her Jannah. Hope many readers in this medium will understand how this subject is clear cut. There is no room for negotiation and rewrite of our belief. Those who believe humanity bonds overide Islamic believe must realize they are selling cheap outdated Jew commodity. Read and enjoy this follow up post.

 

Posted by: Marwan'sDaughter TypeKey Profile Page at April 20, 2007 04:22 AM

It is haram to pray anything for a kafir. While he/she is alive you can only pray along the lines of "Allah guide them to Islam". Not even for health or wealth or etc. The reason being Islam is more important for their salvation than good health or money or relationship problems etc. Life in this world is temporary. All our good states and bad states (health, problems, worries etc.) in this life will come to an end. The next life is for ever and therefore more important and faith is THE primary personal obligation on all humans. You can wish them well and donate charity and etc to them, in certain cases its even necessary. A Muslim who sleeps with his/her belly full while the neighbour is hungry (be it Muslim or kafir) is wretched. But the only DUA (supplication/prayer) you can invoke for them is for them to be guided to Islam, because Islam is what they NEED, whether they want it or not and THE greatest mercy, blessing, asset etc. for a human being. Even for ourselves, we must first and foremost ask Allah to keep us steadfast on faith and forgive our sins and grant us death on the state of iman before we ask anything else.

After their death, it is haram and kufr to pray for Allah's mercy on the soul of a nonbeliever. We go by the externally apparent when we say nonbeliever. Allah has promised an eternity of hell-fire for disbelievers and He does not go against his promise. He has said explicitly in the Quran that other than disbelief, any other sin will be forgiven. So to pray for peace or forgiveness or mercy on the soul of a disbeliever is IN ESSENCE making a mockery of the word of Allah and the promise of Allah and religion which is kufr. Allah is our creator and he owns us and has the first and foremost right on us. He gave us our parents, friends, health, wealth etc. Our love and loyalty for his gifts CAN NOT supercede our loyalty to Him and His Messenger icon_saws.gif . The prophet icon_saws.gif has said that none of us have faith until he is dearer to us than any other creation. We cant possibly be more loyal to a rejector of Muhammad icon_saws.gif than we are to Muhammad icon_saws.gif himself. We cant possibly love or respect someone who does not believe in Allah and His Messenger icon_saws.gif and rejects them. Would you be friends with a person who insults your father and mother unnecessarily? Allah and His Messenger icon_saws.gif have more rights on you than your parents. Moreover, would you ask your parents to meet and greet this person when you know he will insult them to their faces?

In this life the disbelievers recieve Allah's mercy, food, rain, health, wealth, kids etc. Allah's mercy in the next life is for believers exclusively. A kafir is NOT rewarded for his/her good deeds in the next life. A kafir is rewarded for his/her good deeds in this life itself. NO amount of good actions can bail one out of the crime of disbelief. The Quran says in numerous places "Yaa ayyuhal ladheena aamanoo wa 3amilus saalihaat" (O you who BELIEVE and commit good deeds). Always the aamanoo (the belief part) is a precursor to the amal salih (good deed). There are places with standalone "yaa ayyuhal ladheena aamanoo" (O you who believe) but you wont find a stand alone (O you who do good deeds). Thats because good deeds without faith in this life are meaningless as far as the NEXT LIFE is concerned. Nowhere in the Quran is there a promise of peace or mercy or reward for people who do good deeds but do not believe. Rather theres the promise of Allah of His wrath.

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Quote Israfil Replybullet Posted: 21 May 2007 at 12:50pm

Well Abu Mujahid

If this is your kind of Islam I chose the wrong religion then.

what kind of religion, especially if such a religion boast to come from a MERCIFUL GOD and LOVING GOD forbid a muslim to pray to this MERCIFUL GOD for the souls of innocent people (by innocence I mean individuals who did nothing to warrant being killed). I must be wrong. But then again I have been told (I think that was you Abu the poo poo) that I am following a water down American version of Islam. If that is the case (and the consensus of other Muslims) I cease to be one I guess. But I would be damned to serve a "heartless" god who commands his followers to not pray for the souls of the very creation he designed. To me this would be an utter contradiction to God's mercy therefore I would assume rationally that muslims who reject the prayer for non-muslims would be the conservative view of Islam. Unless you can provide a Quranic detail of this (also Hadith) I consider this belief simply a conservative notion not law.

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Quote Sign*Reader Replybullet Posted: 21 May 2007 at 4:40pm

Originally posted by Abu Mujahid

Those broadminded!!!! who compromise the very basic of Islam for apparent no reason except for ignorance/arrogance or fear from authority....

You are absolutely a comic character who is making a mountain of a mole hill and doing a great disservice to the good name of the religion of Islam,

If you profess to be such big practitioner of fundamentalism you shouldn’t be breathing the air of a kafir country like of the US? Just worry for your self you are not responsible for any body else’s salvation.

What is the relevance of the authority in this context I see some strain of  internet psychosis the way you are behaving.

 It is you who is hiding from authority behind this internet!

BTW internet is the creation of the authority you are talking about!

Talk about ignorance is it not pot calling the kettle black?

Who will buy your brand of Islam?

I think try taking your stuff to Turkey and see how far you will get!

Originally posted by Abu Mujahid

..Those who want to rewrite Islam in the context of culture of fear....Those who fear for their comfort life/Citizenship/jobs  ....

No body is rewriting Islam; it is figment of your imagination.

Your argument about  comfort life/Citizenship/jobs is totally lame.

If the so called Islamic countries can’t  provide these things to  Muslims then it is none of your cotton pickin business to talk about these things.

You should be ashamed of yourself for bringing this up.

 

Originally posted by Abu Mujahid

 Those who do sellout....Those who are progressive Islam in America who couldn't response my post....

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What nonsense are your talking about? The nominal Muslims did not come US for Islam, but they are discovering it here by default, and I bet they will be  better  than  those  they left behind...


Most mosques were setup after the Iranian hostage crisis of 1979, that should tell you something about the time line of Islamic practice in the US


Originally posted by Abu Mujahid

..Its time to open your eyes and listen what Ulima (scholars) has said about this case:


You got me on the soap box now you will hear me out whether you like it not. The Muslims have lived too long on the fat of the land and became fat, dumb and happy and then got colonized/enslaved by the Europeans.

What happened to the application of Quraan & sunnah and all the scholarships?

Now you are talking about opening the eyes on such trivial matter and call of Ulama, don't they have any better things to put their energies on?

I think your types need to learn manners before lecturing others.

 You  & your ilk lack US perspective totally, may be you are too  immature to know any better!

How do explain Muslims diaspora today? Must have have screwed up some how!

You are a  classic hypocrite with an empty rhetoric trying to provoke where there is no need to.

So far there  are no takers of your POV.

 You are have hijacked the thread for no rhyme or reason.

Your argument is totally misplaced the thread was about a split second decision made by a dying Brother Waleed instead people sharing some decent thoughts here you have totally messed it up due to your psychosis for real.

You need some clinical help before it is too late!

This is turning into real Special Olympics, even if you win you still are retarded.

Lastly don't try copy n paste whole pages from places which have no relevance to the US context. It doesn't impress at all >>>>>><<<<<<<



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Quote Abu Mujahid Replybullet Posted: 21 May 2007 at 9:24pm

 caught you red handed?!. What a bunch of ignorant Bushe's!!!. Israfil, if you leave real Islam remember we will not miss you!!. You and your liberal friend are good American characters. I really enjoyed by exposing your American Islamic perspective!!!  I don't have enough time but I will make soon insha Allah some comments about this fake liberal Sign*reader angry post.

BTW, how long were you hidding with this venom among American muslims?

 

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Quote Israfil Replybullet Posted: 21 May 2007 at 10:38pm

Abu Mujahid,

What exactly are you exposing? If you re-read my post I said this:

"If this is your kind of Islam I chose the wrong religion then."

I never said I will leave Islam. Maybe [like your inability to type good english] learn to read better. In your version of Islam a Muslim shouldn't pray for a non-muslim nor help them [even if they are innocent and defenseless]. This is something which you provide no proof for since you say you "care for Islam." What are you exposing again? If you look at the last few post they were about YOU, not me. Even if I did leave Islam do you honestly I'd tell you Moron? Yes I'm slightly pissed. Not at what you say but because your st**idity is annoying and from henceforth I seriously have nothing to say to you.

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Quote Hayfa Replybullet Posted: 22 May 2007 at 7:31am

none of knows what is in another person's heart.

And really none of us chooses are death. We could die in 5 minutes, we can die in 30 years. Allah chooses for us. So really then is Allah a fool??? Allah chose for this person to live. The person that Brother Waleed saved, Allah has another plan for him. Who ar ewe to question Allah??

Brother Waleed in the heat of the moment, chose to help another human being.  Remember that in the Prophet's time the Prophet had nonMoslems living in Medina with him. He chose to "protect" them by not throwing them out.

My prayers go out to Brother Waleed's family.

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