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Quote Duende Replybullet Posted: 19 May 2007 at 11:25pm
So are his ethics
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Quote Abu Mujahid Replybullet Posted: 20 May 2007 at 8:37am

Originally posted by Israfil

Abu Mujahid you might wanna make an effort in editing your post because your english (like I said in the other thread) is terrible.

Ok...what about you too going to closet Islamic center to learn real Islam?!!! Moreover, who do you love the white man's portait?!!!.

Meanwhile, I wonder why some non muslim lady still want to give fatwa about clear cut subject? If she is muslim she would know first hand that muslim man/women shouldn't die for kafir. Or am I dealing here the progressive white house made junta?

 

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Quote Duende Replybullet Posted: 20 May 2007 at 10:30am
Calm down Abu.

You are sadly lacking in something basically human if you are adamant
about Brother Waleed being a fool for saving another person's life. Once
again, how can YOU judge whether the person Waleed saved was a kafir?
To judge his commitment to Islam shows you to be rather foolish also,
since you have no right to judge another, let alone a fellow Moslem.

You choose to interpret the Koran in a way which makes you blind to the
best qualities of humanity which Brother Waleed displayed. If you believe
the entire Koran to be clear cut, then surely we have no need of experts in
its interpretation.

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Quote Abu Mujahid Replybullet Posted: 20 May 2007 at 2:22pm

[QUOTE=Duende]Calm down Abu.

>You are sadly lacking in something basically human if you are adamant
about Brother Waleed being a fool for saving another person's life.

This will be my last response to you because I can't debate people who lack gut and basic knowledge of Islam let alone Islamic manner. Sister, I feel sorry for your empty claim in this serious subject. That is why I care about Islam not your political incorrect humanity.

For brother waleed if he died (as many claimed without shame) for kafirs he did that without Islamic base. Or best he did that in pure personal own ijtihad. Tell the forum where in Islam say that muslim person can die for Kafir. Bring verse or correct Hadith that support your stand.  

>again, how can YOU judge whether the person Waleed saved was a kafir?

You must be kidding. Just read the thread and your earlier post. Btw, are you saying he saved muslim person!!!.

 
>To judge his commitment to Islam shows you to be rather foolish also,
since you have no right to judge another, let alone a fellow Moslem.

I can understand why we have diehard liberals among us that want to rewrite Islam in the contex of American culture. If you were salafi sister you will never utter such insults. Please don't twist the topic let alone badmouth another fellow muslim. Why bringing his commitment to Islam or judgement? No one question his commiitment to Islam. The issue is simple. Many claimed he died for kafirs during the mayhem and I challenged that by saying muslim can't die for kafir.  Period

 
>You choose to interpret the Koran in a way which makes you blind to the
best qualities of humanity which Brother Waleed displayed.

Again my question to you is what is best human quality of brother Waleed?!! If you say he died for kafirs then tell us where is your prove from Islamic sources. On the other hand, listen Ya fiqiha, what kind of interpreation of Quran I make?. May be you need to refresh by reading Tasfir al-Tabari, Thilal and Ibnu Kathir to find out the true meaning of Quran. I'm sure if someone learn tafsir from these books he/she will not be blinded in this world and hereafter. But if you choose liberal tafsir like the one that famous brother did in Hannity/Colmes show right after 9/11 then surely he/she will be blinded both in this dunya and hereafter

>If you believe
the entire Koran to be clear cut, then surely we have no need of experts in
its interpretation.

I didn't said its entire is clear cut. There are muhakamat and Mutashabihat. Case point is clear cut.  Allah said, "It is He Who has sent down to you (Muhammad) the Book. In It are verses that are entirely clear, they are the foundation of the Book (and those are the Verses of Al-Ahkam(commandments), And others not entirely clear. So as for those in whose hearts there is deviation (from truth) they follow that which is not entirely clear thereof......."Al-ayah (surat Al-Irman verse 7).]]

 Muslim should not die for Kafir is clear cut in Islam.

Next time spare our time and bring your prove from Islamic sources.

 

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Quote Sign*Reader Replybullet Posted: 20 May 2007 at 8:56pm
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\may Allah shower His mercy on him. I wish he prentended dead to safe his body for real muslim battle. Forum moderates should remove wedding picture. inna lillah wainna ilaihi rajion

 

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If you are that sensitive about the picture, I hope you are not that naive to know that this world wide web is few clicks away for all kinds of haram porn imagery. Like it  or not it is on your system, folks like you shouldn't even touch www. It is totally polluted by association; isn't it?




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Quote Israfil Replybullet Posted: 20 May 2007 at 10:25pm

Ok...what about you too going to closet Islamic center to learn real Islam?!!! Moreover, who do you love the white man's portait?!!!.

Because he is Obi-Wan Kenobi, a Jedi, in the triology Star Wars that's why

For someone who says they "care about Islam" I echo the same sentiments as Duende in that, if you fail to understand the basic, moral good that so many of us strive to sustain then you truly have no grasp at the fundamental goodness we all have the potential to exhibit, that is, doing good. This brother who sacrificed himself was not thinking about "Oh this person is not in my religion so I'll let them die." No, he thought instinctively and without thought to save other human beings. By your very response it is no wonder God has made us mere mortals and not gods ourselves. Your insensitivity to this gentleman's sacrifice is evidence that defective minds is prevalent in the muslim community. No wonder we have not made any ethical advancements in the world.



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Quote Sign*Reader Replybullet Posted: 20 May 2007 at 10:36pm
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[QUOTE=Duende]Calm down Abu.

>You are sadly lacking in something basically human if you are adamant
about Brother Waleed being a fool for saving another person's life.

This will be my last response to you because I can't debate people who lack gut and basic knowledge of Islam let alone Islamic manner. Sister, I feel sorry for your empty claim in this serious subject. That is why I care about Islam not your political incorrect humanity.

For brother waleed if he died (as many claimed without shame) for kafirs he did that without Islamic base. Or best he did that in pure personal own ijtihad. Tell the forum where in Islam say that muslim person can die for Kafir. Bring verse or correct Hadith that support your stand.  

>again, how can YOU judge whether the person Waleed saved was a kafir?

You must be kidding. Just read the thread and your earlier post. Btw, are you saying he saved muslim person!!!.

 
>To judge his commitment to Islam shows you to be rather foolish also,
since you have no right to judge another, let alone a fellow Moslem.

I can understand why we have diehard liberals among us that want to rewrite Islam in the contex of American culture. If you were salafi sister you will never utter such insults. Please don't twist the topic let alone badmouth another fellow muslim. Why bringing his commitment to Islam or judgement? No one question his commiitment to Islam. The issue is simple. Many claimed he died for kafirs during the mayhem and I challenged that by saying muslim can't die for kafir.  Period

 
>You choose to interpret the Koran in a way which makes you blind to the
best qualities of humanity which Brother Waleed displayed.

Again my question to you is what is best human quality of brother Waleed?!! If you say he died for kafirs then tell us where is your prove from Islamic sources. On the other hand, listen Ya fiqiha, what kind of interpreation of Quran I make?. May be you need to refresh by reading Tasfir al-Tabari, Thilal and Ibnu Kathir to find out the true meaning of Quran. I'm sure if someone learn tafsir from these books he/she will not be blinded in this world and hereafter. But if you choose liberal tafsir like the one that famous brother did in Hannity/Colmes show right after 9/11 then surely he/she will be blinded both in this dunya and hereafter

>If you believe
the entire Koran to be clear cut, then surely we have no need of experts in
its interpretation.

I didn't said its entire is clear cut. There are muhakamat and Mutashabihat. Case point is clear cut.  Allah said, "It is He Who has sent down to you (Muhammad) the Book. In It are verses that are entirely clear, they are the foundation of the Book (and those are the Verses of Al-Ahkam(commandments), And others not entirely clear. So as for those in whose hearts there is deviation (from truth) they follow that which is not entirely clear thereof......."Al-ayah (surat Al-Irman verse 7).]]

 Muslim should not die for Kafir is clear cut in Islam.

Next time spare our time and bring your prove from Islamic sources.

 
Abu Mujahid

 

 



Try using quote system next time, your post sucks the way it looks.

I concur with Duende!

You don't need to be so narrow minded in this VT massacre situation. Death's day is dooms day and any gesture on that day is beyond any scholar's interpretations. The people died at a place of higher learning I say all would get a special dispensation from Allah for their effort and forgiveness. You don't know what Allah has in store for them!

So chill out!
There is no such scenario in Quraan that could correspond to this horror and NO fishing here.
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Quote Duende Replybullet Posted: 21 May 2007 at 3:40am
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