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Quote Abu Mujahid Replybullet Posted: 24 April 2007 at 2:21am

Originally posted by Duende

Abu Mujahid, your sentiments are profoundly distasteful, wishing this
young person had not committed the bravest and most generous of all
actions by saving another person's life.

You may be a Muslem, but you are a callous human being.

Sister Herjihad, thank you for this very moving thread. I am struck dumb
by these events.

 

Hi duende,

Since u r not muslim person no need to discuss with you this topic. I'm not here to put fake face to appease you. Enough sellout already happened to my islamic community. If I make mistake and you r muslim then bring your dalil from Quran and sunnah. Otherwise, don't insult me cuz I fear neither your Bush nor politcal incorrect games that goes on in this country on the xpense of my religion.

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Quote Duende Replybullet Posted: 24 April 2007 at 2:52am
Abu Mujahid wrote: "Since u r not muslim person no need to discuss with
you this topic. I'm not here to put fake face to appease you." No need to
discuss what topic? The topic of whether it would have been better for
Brother Waleed to keep still so he could convert himself to a radical form
of militant fundamentalist Islam, rather than save another human being's
life?

"Otherwise, don't insult me cuz I fear neither your Bush nor politcal
incorrect games that goes on in this country on the xpense of my
religion." Thankfully, I am not in the United States, so I have even less to
fear from Bush and your "politcal incorrect games" than you. And it is you
who should be doing something about the way you feel your community
is behaving.

How did I insult you, by pointing out your inability to accept the teachings
of the Prophet (pbuh) about the sanctity of human life? As in:

[If anyone slays a human being, unless it be (punishment) for murder, or
for spreading mischief on earth, it shall be as though he had slain all
humankind; whereas, if anyone saves a life, it shall be as though he had
saved the lives of all humankind] (Al-Ma’idah 5:32).

If you can only engage in debate with someone of the same religious
beliefs, then you shall have a very short and fruitless debate indeed. If
you believe your moslem community has 'sold out' then what good shall it
do you to only discuss things with people who feel the same way as you?
You should engage ALL people in discussion in order to practice your
Dawa and not sit stewing in your dissatisfaction with your community and
refusing to discuss with people you judge not to be Moslem.

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Quote Abu Mujahid Replybullet Posted: 24 April 2007 at 3:49am

[QUOTE=Duende]Abu Mujahid wrote: "Since u r not muslim person no need to discuss with
you this topic. I'm not here to put fake face to appease you." No need to
discuss what topic? The topic of whether it would have been better for
Brother Waleed to keep still so he could convert himself to a radical form
of militant fundamentalist Islam, rather than save another human being's
life?

 

Its very hard to discuss self obsorbed people who are not even muslim who want to discuss Islam in their own terms . Orientalist did that before and failed. Listen I don't need to convice you nor to carry with u real discussion. Its obvious u don't know Islam that was revealed to brother Mohamed. I just stated it was not right to this fallen brother not to save his life in this carnage and die in this format. Brother waleed make his call for whatever he believes.

Meanwhile saving human has many formats and pre-requistes and thats why I declined to discuss with you. Btw, this topic need no political terms like fundamentalist islam etc. I really cherish when non muslims call me Fundamentalist cuz it shows their bankrupt nature, wicked shortcoming and vicious intent.

"Otherwise, don't insult me cuz I fear neither your Bush nor politcal
incorrect games that goes on in this country on the xpense of my
religion."

>How did I insult you, by pointing out your inability to accept the teachings
of the Prophet (pbuh) about the sanctity of human life? As in:

[If anyone slays a human being, unless it be (punishment) for murder, or
for spreading mischief on earth, it shall be as though he had slain all
humankind; whereas, if anyone saves a life, it shall be as though he had
saved the lives of all humankind] (Al-Ma’idah 5:32).

Your citation of this verse lacks direction and weight. This verse is/was not talking about for what brother waleed did for personal ijtihad. If you want to know more go Ibnu Kathir and Tabari tafsirs to learn more about its meaning. In any given time, muslim person should not die for Kafir. That is clear cut in the real teaching of islam.

>If you can only engage in debate with someone of the same religious
beliefs, then you shall have a very short and fruitless debate indeed. If you believe your moslem community has 'sold out' then what good shall it do you to only discuss things with people who feel the same way as you?

Leave alone our internal discusion cuz like you will never understand what we're talking about. Besides, I can carry on endless discussion with all faith people let alone atheist but I have no obligation to debate with a person whose first post bad mouth other person just he has righfully different stand on issue.


>You should engage ALL people in discussion in order to practice your
Dawa and not sit stewing in your dissatisfaction with your community and
refusing to discuss with people you judge not to be Moslem.

 

Just do your homework before you try to alter my pure islam. We know people like you who know little about islam and want to preach Western islamic version on events with free pass. That won't fly in my world. So good luck

 

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Quote Abu Mujahid Replybullet Posted: 24 April 2007 at 3:55am
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Its obvious u don't know Islam that was revealed to brother Mohamed." sorry I mean prophet Mohamed peace be Upon him.

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Quote mariyah Replybullet Posted: 24 April 2007 at 4:32am
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Its obvious u don't know Islam that was revealed to brother Mohamed." sorry I mean prophet Mohamed peace be Upon him.

Abu Mujahid

Asalaamu alaikum brother:

May I ask you why you draw lines based on where a muslim lives?

I do not understand what you mean by your pure Islam, Do you think you are a better muslim than another because of your global location?

If so, then good for you.

The Prophet, SAW, stated in his last sermon:

"All mankind is from Adam and Eve, an Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also a white has no superiority over black nor a black has any superiority over white except by piety and good action. Learn that every Muslim is a brother to every Muslim and that the Muslims constitute one brotherhood. Nothing shall be legitimate to a Muslim which belongs to a fellow Muslim unless it was given freely and willingly. Do not, therefore, do injustice to yourselves.

Remember, one day you will appear before ALLAH and answer your deeds. So beware, do not stray from the path of righteousness after I am gone."

I found this on the website at Islamicity, and I am also reading a book of the Life of the Prophet called "Muhammad the Messenger of Allah by Abdurrahman AL-Sheba of The World Organization for presenting Islam based in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia,

Interesting point: I am reading the same thing in the middle-eastern book that I am reading on this website. And what does Bush have to do with Islam brother.

Not a thing.

Islam is universal.

"Every good deed is charity whether you come to your brother's assistance or just greet him with a smile.
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Quote Duende Replybullet Posted: 24 April 2007 at 7:05am
“I just stated it was not right to this fallen brother not to save his life in
this carnage and die in this format.”

No you didn’t, you said: “I wish he prentended dead to safe his body for
real muslim battle.”

You wrote: “Meanwhile saving human has many formats and pre-
requistes and thats why I declined to discuss with you”

Oh, you mean, like he should have thought about it first? And decided
whether it was a good move or not?

“I really cherish when non muslims call me Fundamentalist cuz it shows
their bankrupt nature, wicked shortcoming and vicious intent.

Yes, that's worth cherishing. When and where did I call you a
fundamentalist?

You wrote: “In any given time, muslim person should not die for Kafir.
That is clear cut in the real teaching of islam” There you go: a
fundamental interpretation of Islam which says no Muslim should bother
saving a kafir’s life. I guess Brother Waleed should have stopped to judge
whether the poor soul was a kafir after all….

“I have no obligation to debate with a person whose first post bad mouth
other person just he has righfully different stand on issue.” Excuse me,
but you bad mouthed Brother Waleed by saying he was a fool to have
saved another person’s life.

But you're right, instead of trying to come up with excuses for your bad
taste and poor morals, stop posting.

“We know people like you who know little about islam and want to preach
Western islamic version on events with free pass”

You’re the second person recently to suddenly develop a multiple
personality dissorder and refer to themselves as ‘we’. By what right do
you perceive to be speaking for the entire Muslim Ummah?

And what on earth is “the Western islamic version of events”?
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Quote aus Replybullet Posted: 24 April 2007 at 8:10pm
Peace,

Bro.Mujahid,i think you are going beyond the set boundaries of islamic etiquette.Its high time you become civil and WISE.

Wisdom has been highlighted and held high by so many islamic teachings,why cant u adopt some?.
Engage in meaningful discussion,dont brush off people by the their perceived "lack of knowledge" when you yourself cant even correctly show what you are discussing about.

The prophet said lamented that it is wrong for those who acquire knoweldge for the sole purpose of using that knowledge to intimidate those that he thinks dont know.

Peace.

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Quote aus Replybullet Posted: 24 April 2007 at 8:13pm
Peace,

Inna lillahi wa inna illayhi rajiun.

My condolences to the victims of Virginia tech massacre and especially to the family of our dear brother from Egypt.In the news all we heard was about Levi (the lecturer from Israel) who shielded the door and himself got killed,no stories of other victims was given in detail,even al-jazeera didnt do that!

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