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Quote ThomasToday Replybullet Posted: 27 April 2007 at 11:40am
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Originally posted by ThomasToday

Verrry in-te-resting...

And now tell me, did you hate your father, or maybe have sexual Fantasizes about your mother.

By-the-way, may I suggest you submitted your thesis to the SciFi channel, I think it has potential for a tv series. Maybe, not in the class of Tremmors, but who knows.

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Personal attacks will not be tolerated. Consider this a warning.

Perhaps I missed something, but it seems to me that this topic on Savage has been nothing but personal attacks.

 

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Quote Angela Replybullet Posted: 27 April 2007 at 11:42am

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Originally posted by Angela

If we change our foreign policies, foreign interests will not need to attack us.

The US foreign policies cannot be changed. The US economy depends on them.

The US doesn't produce anything that anybody elsewhere actually needs.

At the same time, the US imports vast quantities of oil from the Middle East and manufactured products from China and the rest of Asia, for which the US cannot pay. The US "pays" all of them with "treasury notes" and just keeps on building debt. The war in Iraq results from the fact that the US needs to prevent the Middle East from calling in these "loans".

The US defended the idea of "free trade" as long as the results of free trade were advantageous to the US. They are not any longer. Nobody wants to trade voluntarily with the US any longer in a free trade system.

Therefore, the US are steadily moving in the direction of an international trade system based on military threats. The US has difficulties implementing such foreign policies, given the enormous numbers of Hispanics, Asians and other ethnic groups living in the US. Therefore, they need to beef up "internal security". In terms of domestic policy, the US are inevitable moving in the direction of a police state.

So, forget about being a free society. Those times are over.

Yes, and just because its hard to change does mean its impossible.  If nothing else, we will loose the economic war with China because we keep screwing up.

But, as for your statement that we invaded Iraq to stop them from calling in LOANS???????

Umm, okay, that's the biggest crock I've heard.  Revenge for Daddy Bush, yes.  Mid East Oil, yes.  To establish a powerbase in the Region, yes.  Loans, NO.

We owed Iraq nothing.  Iraq was the one in heavy debt from Saddam and the UN sanctions.  There were no loans that he could have called in on the US.  And frankly the US is one of the World's Largest Lenders.  That's part of the problem.  We use our loans to other countries to take control of their economics.  Yes the US has runaway debt.  But a large part of it is domestic debt.  Its money owed to the American people, not foreign nations.

If anything we are OWED money by more nations than we owe.  Its totally messed up.  I won't defend it, its indefensible.

Debt relief for Africa would go along way.  Balanced Budgets would to much for us.  But, sadly, the greedy and powerful are in charge.

The US needs to change those policies that drive our economy. We need to focus on energy alternatives to Middle East Oil.  Let them sell the stuff to China while we use Biodiesels and Hydrogen Cars.  We need to stop spending on projects that don't really help the American people.  We need to look to our own poor and uninsured instead of paying 500 billion dollars to invade other countries.

We need to stop financial assistance to foreign governments.  If we can't pay our own debts, we have no business lending money to other nations. 

Policies need changed, they weren't always the way they are now and the nation was better off finanically.  We need to go back to the policies prior to World War I and focus more on a domestic economy.

We build everything we need in this country.  Instead of outsourcing our jobs, we need to build domestic factories.  Instead of buying that Toshiba laptop, we should be buying Dell or Gateway. 

There is very little we don't make....its just the Chinese can make it cheaper.  But, trust me...  the US is not going to be a worry in 20 years.  Our own policies will have us dried up by then.

China will be the world power and I'll see it before my 50th birthday.

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Quote ThomasToday Replybullet Posted: 27 April 2007 at 1:19pm
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The US needs to change those policies that drive our economy. We need to focus on energy alternatives to Middle East Oil.  Let them sell the stuff to China while we use Biodiesels and Hydrogen Cars.  We need to stop spending on projects that don't really help the American people.  We need to look to our own poor and uninsured instead of paying 500 billion dollars to invade other countries.

We need to stop financial assistance to foreign governments.  If we can't pay our own debts, we have no business lending money to other nations. 

Policies need changed, they weren't always the way they are now and the nation was better off finanically.  We need to go back to the policies prior to World War I and focus more on a domestic economy.

We build everything we need in this country.  Instead of outsourcing our jobs, we need to build domestic factories.  Instead of buying that Toshiba laptop, we should be buying Dell or Gateway. 

Angela,

 I agree with almost all of your suggestion, especially the part about providing insurance.  I am guessing you were talking about Health Ins, but hay... why stop there.  If we could get the wealthy to give up more money then why not include Auto, Home, and Disability insurance.  And while we are at it why not ask the tobacco companies to pay just the difference in the cost of Life insurance a smoker pays vs. what a non-smoker pays.

Imagine.

Now back to reality. 

It may help to read The Prince by Niccolo Machiavelli.  In it he tells how ruler are to gain and keep power. The feudal system is not a thing of the past it is the way of the future.

Feudalism: 1: the system of political organization prevailing in Europe from the 9th to about the 15th centuries having as its basis the relation of lord to vassal with all land held in fee and as chief characteristics homage, the service of tenants under arms and in court, ward ship, and forfeiture 2: any of various political or social systems similar to medieval feudalism

“Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just.”

Notes on Virginia. Query xviii. Manners.

Thomas Jefferson

P.S.   I am typing this on my Dell. 

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Quote Angela Replybullet Posted: 27 April 2007 at 3:13pm

I used to work for Dell, good for you.

But, I disagree with the feudalism model of society.  I'm far more socialist in nature. (Just call me a Commie, must be the Slavic Blood)

But, in the end, the masses will topple any government that becomes to greedy and too oppressive.  The US was born this way.

I prefer another statement by Thomas Jefferson.

"An enlightened people, and an energetic public opinion... will control and enchain the aristocratic spirit of the government." --Thomas Jefferson to Chevalier de Ouis, 1814. ME 14:130

 

But there are others that show you are very wrong about Feudalism.

"The people of England, I think, are less oppressed than here [in France]. But it needs but half an eye to see, when among them, that the foundation is laid in their dispositions for the establishment of a despotism. Nobility, wealth, and pomp are the objects of their admiration." --Thomas Jefferson to George Wythe, 1786. ME 5:397

"Reformation in government follows reformation in opinion." --Thomas Jefferson to Richard Price, 1789. ME 7:366, Papers 15:138

"Instead of that liberty which takes root and growth in the progress of reason, if recovered by mere force or accident, it becomes with an unprepared people a tyranny still of the many, the few, or the one." --Thomas Jefferson to Lafayette, 1815. ME 14:245

"Single acts of tyranny may be ascribed to the accidental opinion of a day; but a series of oppressions, begun at a distinguished period and pursued unalterably through every change of ministers, too plainly prove a deliberate, systematic plan of reducing [a people] to slavery." --Thomas Jefferson: Rights of British America, 1774. (*) ME 1:193, Papers 1:125

"Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God." --Thomas Jefferson: his motto.

"The monarch is the last person in his kingdom who yields to the progress of philanthropy and civilization." --Thomas Jefferson to John Jay, 1788. ME 7:17

The United States of America has fallen from the ideals of the Founding Fathers.  What they worked to rid of us of has returned.  The young of our nation need to wake up and start taking charge.  Its said the only way science progresses is that the old guard die and new ideas are then looked at by the young.

Same with government.  We fell into the trap that the Founding Father's warned of when we entered WWI and then did not return to our own business afterward.  The Treaty of Versailles brought WWII, our Cold War brought Korea, Vietnam and years of economic and shadow wars around the Globe. 

We have not learned.  We are blinded by arrogance and a sense of superiority.  The US Citizen is the new aristocracy, fascinated with wealth and pomp.  We must learn or we will suffer the same fate as previous aristocratic societies.  The world is changing, and resisting the change is futile.  We wanted a more Global society...which means we need to humble ourselves to the level of humanity.  There is a reason I have the quote from Lincoln on my signature.

"We must disenthrall ourselves and then we shall save our country." - President Abraham Lincoln

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Quote ThomasToday Replybullet Posted: 27 April 2007 at 6:15pm

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I think you are not ......

...  Many terrorists are from many other races/religions/cultures.  Terrorism is no respector of a person's faith, race, culture, or ethnicity....it is either in the person's heart, no matter who they are or where they are from, or it is miles away.

Additionally, Mohammed does not cause people to become a terrorist, anymore than Jesus causes people to become terrorists....but The Evil One most certainly does, and he is alive and well here on planet earth.

Now, go read about the many other terrorist organizations, even in our beloved USA....i.e., the Aryan Nation, Posse Comitatus, KKK, get the idea?

May you find peace.

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Sister, you presume too much in what I wrote so I will try to be more specific this time.

 

When Savage rails about Muslim terrorist, Illegal immigrant invaders who want to destroy rather than assimilate, or the homosexual agenda, he is speaking for those qualities that have made this country great:  Judeo-Christian beliefs, unlimited opportunity for those who learn the language and assimilate, and a belief in a God who will not abide sin.  While I can understand why many are offended by his crassness, his message should be heard.  His crudeness has created a platform for getting these important messages: Muslim terrorist, (though not all Muslims are terrorists there are enough to demand attention); invaders on the Southern boarder, and the homosexuals are beating on our door. Genesis 19:4 But before they lay down, the men of the city, [even] the men of Sodom, compassed the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter.  8 Behold now, I have two daughters which have not know man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes: only unto these men do nothing; for therefore came they under the shadow of my roof.

 

Some times we must look beyond a mans exterior and listen to the message.  Please take a moment to read this article then decide just how tasteless and politically incorrect we must become to stop this before its too late.

 

BRAVE NEW SCHOOLS
Ban on 'mom' and 'dad' considered – again
California agenda would require K-12 'gay' indoctrination


Posted: April 27, 2007
1:00 a.m. Eastern

By Bob Unruh
© 2007 WorldNetDaily.com


Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger

A plan that has been launched in the California state Assembly – again – could be used to ban references to "mom" and "dad" in public schools statewide by prohibiting anything that would "reflect adversely" on the homosexual lifestyle choice.

It's similar to a plan WND reported was approved by lawmakers last year, but fell by the wayside when Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger vetoed it.

"SB 777 forcibly thrusts young school children into dealing with sexual issues, requiring that homosexuality, bisexuality and transsexuality be taught in a favorable light," according to an alert issued by the Capitol Resource Institute.

"Not only does SB 777 require that classroom instruction and materials promote and embrace controversial sexual practices, it also bans school-sponsored activities from 'reflecting adversely' on homosexuals, bisexuals and transsexuals," the group said. "Pushing this radical homosexual agenda in California schools will stifle the truth in favor of political correctness and will inevitably conflict with the religious and moral convictions of both students and parents," said CRI Executive Director Karen England. "The full ramifications of this sweeping legislation could affect the entire nation as most textbook companies tailor their material to their number one purchaser: California."

She noted that Los Angeles schools already have implemented most of the proposals now pending for districts across the state, and among the changes are:

  • "Mom" and "dad" and "husband" and "wife" would have to be edited from all texts.
  • Cheerleading and sports teams would have to be gender-neutral.
  • Prom kings and queens would be banned, or if featured, would have to be gender neutral so that the king could be female and the queen male.
  • Gender-neutral bathrooms could be required for those confused about their gender identity.
  • A male who believes he really is female would be allowed into the women's restroom, and a woman believing herself a male would be allowed into a men's room.
  • Even scientific information, such has statistics showing AIDS rates in the homosexual community, could be banned.

"It's embarrassing that we've got kids who can't pass their exit exams, but we add all sorts of complications [to school]," she told WND.

She cited an informational document published by the Gay-Straight Alliance Network and the Transgender Law Center.

"If you want to use a restroom that matches your gender identity … you should be allowed to do so," it advises. "Whenever students are divided up into boys and girls, you should be allowed to join the group or participate in the program that matches your gender identity as much as possible."

Further, the groups advise, "If you change your name to one that better matches your gender identity, a school needs to use that name to refer to you."

Randy Thomasson, of the Campaign for Children and Families, noted that the proposal was made by 'lesbian state senator Sheila James Kuehl, D-Santa Monica."

"Schools need to do a much better job teaching kids reading, writing and arithmetic, not a better job advertising controversial sexual lifestyles to captive six-year-olds," he said.

He also noted that, just as last year, two other bills also are pending: AB 394 by Assemblyman Lloyd Levine, D-Van Nuys, would demand that schools distribute to students "anti-harassment" education programs, and AB 675 by Assemblyman Mike Eng, D-Monterey Park, would give $1 million to pay for homosexual, bisexual and transsexual activists to turn 10 public schools into "sexual indoctrination centers."

Last year three similar bills were approved by California lawmakers, but were vetoed by the governor.

Many groups, including several national outreaches such as the Colorado Springs-based Focus on the Family, had lobbied for the veto.

One of last year's plans would have required the State Board of Education to increase sensitivity to so-called "discrimination." Under the plan the state Superintendent of Public Instruction would have had unlimited discretion to withhold state funds from schools that did not comply with that individual's interpretation of the law.

A second would have "integrated tolerance training" into history and social science curriculum and started a pilot program that would have forced students to learn a "new definition" of tolerance, one that would require them to not only accept but advocate for homosexuality, bisexuality and transgenderism, according to the CRI.

The third would have banned anything that "reflected adversely" on homosexuals, bisexuals or transgenders.

Former Assemblyman Larry Bowler, R-Elk Grove, described them as no more or less than "indoctrination, designed to inculcate our children and our grandchildren."

As WND has reported, California lawmakers also are considering a plan to make it a criminal offense to spank children with a spoon or similar instrument.

 

 

 

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Quote crasss Replybullet Posted: 27 April 2007 at 7:13pm
Originally posted by Angela

There is very little we don't make....its just the Chinese can make it cheaper.

The American consumer is hopelessly addicted to these cheap Chinese prices. Imagine prices were multiplied by five in every Walmart. Can you imagine the resulting chaos?

This American addiction to cheap labour products, oil-guzzling SUVs, and credit card debts is unsustainable. At the same time, it is impossible to backpedal from that addiction.

Another issue is the fact that the American way of life has badly damaged family structure and family relationships. People won't really help each other in times of crisis, and that makes any crisis only worse. In times of crisis, you're actually better off in a developing country, because they will share the little they have.

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Quote crasss Replybullet Posted: 27 April 2007 at 7:25pm
Originally posted by Angela

The young of our nation need to wake up and start taking charge.

Look at the teenagers in the US. They won't be able to do "the simplest thing", which is to form a family and raise kids; let alone that they will "take charge" and solve serious problems. As everybody can clearly see now, the next generation in the US will only be worse than the previous one.
Originally posted by Angela

We are blinded by arrogance and a sense of superiority.

The Quran warns for this: Nobody is superior because of wealth, knowledge, or race, but only because of piety, and obedience to the One God.

Th
e only solution is to submit to the One God, obey His laws, and implore His Mercy.

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Quote Abu Mujahid Replybullet Posted: 28 April 2007 at 12:07am

So the coward was Jewish hiding behind fake identity. I always suspected Michael Alan Weiner (later Michael Savage) reculsive nature and his bad mouth of Islam. Thanks for Rev. for his informative post.

Always, Jewish hide their background for political/economic gain. Did you recall former State Dep. Sec. M. Albright and her claim -after Clinton gave her highest diplomat office in America- she just discovered her Jewish background. One wonder, how she attended and prayed all her life at Jewish temples then discovered her Jewish background. 

Deception and distortion are main tool of zionist wherever they are.

 

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