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Quote ThomasToday Replybullet Posted: 25 April 2007 at 12:52pm

Originally posted by ak_m_f

I mean, have Soviet MIGs and T-62 tanks ever defeated Israel in war??
See?? Israeli Zionists don't really offer Muslims anything at all, through
their Jewish Communism in Russia and China. Muslims sell their oil to
Jew Communists, who sell them second rate equipment, that loses in war
to the Zionists who make sure they get the best gear.


This is because Arab generals are st**id; their army is not built to fight waR , but to be paraded in the streets to cairo.

Inferior equipment & bad planning led to their loss; seriously rather then buying soviet junk; they should get some kind of deal from Europe; like I heard the KSA is getting Typhoon. Now that is the beast.

Perhaps the Arab's should send their children to more science classes and less suicide classes.   

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Quote ThomasToday Replybullet Posted: 25 April 2007 at 1:40pm
Originally posted by Angela

ThomasToday,

Have you ever heard of the IRA?  the KKK?  The Pepes?  The Yakuza, Triad? 

Have you ever heard of the Nilhists, or the Narodnik movement?

Czar Alexander II of Russia in 1881 was killed by a terrorist attack?  The perpetrators?  Russian dissidents bent on bringing in Marxism.

You have to be really blind, illiterate or just unwilling to learn if you can't see that terrorism is a tactic used by groups, not a group.

No, not all terrorists are Muslim.

Oh, and in Logical Reasoning....the words ALL and NEVER make a statement a fallacious argument.

Actually, I do have some understanding of the IRA and KKK, the others I cannot speak to.  However, these two organizations had a purpose other than killing anyone who desires to be free.

 

My great grandparents were first generation Irish. Perhaps you should look into the long and sordid history of oppression by the British in Ireland before you classify them as terrorist.  Likewise, the KKK was borne of necessity after the surrender at Appomattox.   In its genesis the KKK was the only recourse for southerners against carpetbagger Yankees and roaming bands of recently freed and wandering former slaves.  But since the Yankees wrote the superficial history books, most people think the war was about slavery.  In a way I guess it was since the South wanted to be free of the oppressive Yankees. 

 

Does it bother you that people, who desire only to be left alone, would defend themselves?  That we chose the battlefield is only good military strategy.  And, as you may have heard, a good offence is the best defense.

 

What do Muslims want?  I mean, other than for non-Muslims to convert or die.

Am I wrong?

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Quote Angela Replybullet Posted: 25 April 2007 at 2:51pm

Originally posted by ThomasToday

What do Muslims want?  I mean, other than for non-Muslims to convert or die.

Am I wrong?

The Narodnik killed the very man who was on his way to give Russia a Parliment and a Constitution.  The man who wanted to give Russia freedom.  Sad isn't it.

As for the Mujahadeen (or however you spell it) in Afghanistan, the ones that spawned the Taliban and Al-Qaeda.

They were there to fight against... the Soviets.  An athiestic and totalitarian government that was oppressing them.  Like the IRA, they wished to gain their freedom from an oppressive invader.  The CIA supported them with guns, monies and training in our fight against Communism.  The religiousity was a recruitment tactic.  Fight Communism, its Islamic.  Fight the Oppressors who bring a threat to your way of life.  Thus, when the Soviets were kicked out, it was these "religious" fighters who were in charge.  What did they have to contend with?

Soviet reforms to their society.  Soviet destruction of their way of life.  So, like many human failings, they fell to far to the other side.  Instead of returning to the progressive nation they were before the Soviets invaded, then pushed back to the dark ages.  Anything that might be Soviet in nature was kicked out.  Back to basics....sorta.  Men became drunk with their power and like always men became just as bad as the last guy.

Now, the US had a problem...  they have extremists in power.  Then Gulf War I.   The US aids an ally and puts soldiers in Saudi Arabia... too close to Mecca.  The US backs Israel, which is oppressing the Palestinians (don't believe me, ask Daniel... he's a member here, Israeli and a member of the Military, its no myth, these people are being oppressed).

The US has meddled in foreign politics for 90 years.  Those men attacked us to provoke a war that would lead to an end of our meddling in the Middle East.  They weren't Islamic Terrorists.  There is no such thing.  Their attacks were politically and culturally motivated.  Because of western Policies. 

What does the Middle East want?  Autonomy.  Freedom to live as they want... not to worry about Israeli or American Bombs and economic warfare.

Many of the people in these countries live in abject poverty while their leaders live in palaces.  Who pays for the palaces?  Your SUV, ATV, Camper, Sports Car and Boat.  Who keeps these governments in power?  Our military, our money and our influence.

When they turn on their TVs they don't see freedom, how can they?  When they see TV shows like Desperate Housewives and the Sopranos?

They don't want to destroy freedom, they want us the hell away from them.  They blame the West (partially they are right) for their conditions.

If we are so enlightened as a society, how can we ignore the Genocides and wars in Africa.  Or standby and allow our allies the Israelis to force 700,000 indigenous people from their homes for something that a German government did?  Or deny those people, running water, electricity or protections as citizens?  The man who can say, my grandfather's grandfather's grandfather grew olives here and raised goats, cannot be a citizen because he was not born Jewish.  Yet, a woman from Yonkers who's family has been in New York for 200 years can claim citizenship in his old neighborhood.

If the US would change our policies in the Middle East, I'm sure you would see a slow but eventual change in things.  Right now, everytime we react in the opposite way, it just justifies those men more.

Hamas and the IRA are the same.  Al Qaeda and the KKK are the same.  The Mujahadeen (afghani/antisoviet fighters) and the Narodnik are no different.

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Quote Revolutionary Replybullet Posted: 25 April 2007 at 8:40pm

  

Angela, I am in awe of your post...nice reply. 

It is unwise though, to reply to each red herring that Thomas throws out.  I dont think the intention is discussion, rather instigation.  I hope to God that Thomas finds peace and is rightly guided. 

As for the topic, Michael Savage has been on a long strange trip to get to this point in his life.  This is a long but interesting read about him:

How a Jewish kid from the Bronx went from swimming naked with Allen Ginsberg to spewing the ugliest bile on talk radio.

By David Gilson


March 5, 2003 | At first glance, Michael Alan Weiner seems like an improbable candidate to be America's angriest, most vicious conservative radio host. Born 60 years ago in the Bronx, Weiner has lived in Northern California for most of his adult life, making a living as an herbalist and nutritionist. He communed with Fijian traditional healers, got married in a rain forest and studied ethno-medicine at the University of California at Berkeley. He swam naked with Allen Ginsberg, dreamed of being the next Lenny Bruce and wrote a rambling novel about a half-mad alter ego. His son's middle name is Goldencloud. For years, he made a name cranking out a pile of books on alternative medicine, recommending bizarre remedies such as using vitamin C to stop AIDS and kicking cocaine with coffee enemas.

These days, Weiner's more interested in purging the body politic. Using the pseudonym Michael Savage, he's launched a one-man mission to save America from its enemies at home and abroad, which on any given day includes liberals, gays, academics, the homeless, the Clintons, immigrants, feminists, CNN, the American Civil Liberties Union, Muslims and other minorities. Broadcasting three hours a day, five afternoons a week, from a rented studio in downtown San Francisco, he gives voice to the right wing's darkest fantasies. He muses about launching preemptive nuclear strikes on the Middle East ("I wish to God the hatches were open and the missiles were flying!"), suggests gunning down illegal immigrants ("If we had a government, we'd blow them out of the desert with airplanes!"), dreams of dispatching with "commies, pinkos and perverts" and other undesirables ("I say round them up and hang 'em high!") and even paraphrases a remark attributed to Nazi leader Hermann Goering ("When I hear someone's in the civil rights business, I oil up my AR-15!")

Woe be unto those who label him racist, sexist or homophobic -- or even worse, threaten his livelihood. When an Oregon group started a boycott of his advertisers last summer, he became downright apoplectic. "I'm more powerful than you are, you little hateful nothings!" he screeched, before intoning darkly in his trademark New-Yawk accent: "I'm gonna warn you again: If you harm me -- and I pray that no harm comes to you -- but I can't guarantee that it won't." Just last week, Savage fumed about the "brownshirt groups" who dare to criticize him: "You stinking rats who hide in the sewers! ... You think I'm going to roll over like a pussy? You're wrong!"

Such vitriolic ranting is over the top, even by the ever-declining standards of talk-radio decorum. Yet, in this time of war fever and hyperpatriotism, inflammatory rhetoric draws conservative ditto-heads and liberal rubberneckers alike, and that translates into big ratings. Since launching "The Savage Nation" on San Francisco's KSFO 560 AM more than eight years ago, Savage has gone from being just another right-winger with a big mouth, a hyperinflated ego and a sizable chip on his shoulder to becoming the nation's fifth most-popular talk-radio personality, a host with enough leverage to land Vice President Dick Cheney as a guest. His book, "The Savage Nation: Saving America From the Liberal Assault on Our Borders, Language and Culture," has been perched at the top of the New York Times bestseller list for over a month, and now he's slated to get his own program on MSNBC.

Michael Weiner's long and circuitous road has taken him from being a scientist and entrepreneur, through stints as a hipster, novelist and aspiring comedian, to becoming the personification of straight white male rage. Today he likes to play up his unconventional career path, to an extent. He's the kind of guy who never lets anyone forget he has a Ph.D. His Web site reminds visitors that he is a "World Famous Herbal Expert" and the author of 18 books. But just as his gap-toothed grin has been replaced by a row of airbrushed pearly whites on the front cover of his new book, he gives his audience a whitewashed version of his past. The real story is far more interesting, not just for its ironies and contradictions, but for the often disturbing clues it provides about the man now so well known as Michael Savage. He's gone through at least one political makeover. He's turned on old friends, or they've turned on him. If his semi-autobiographical novel is any guide to his own life, he's keeping a few skeletons in his closet.

In the end, the picture that emerges from his books, from interviews with past and current associates, and from his radio show is that "The Savage Nation" is just the latest undertaking of a man who's spent his life trying to get the world to notice him.

Savage's office said he was too busy preparing for his TV show to be interviewed for this article. Earlier interview requests by phone and e-mail prompted an irritated phone call from a woman named Janet, who announced that Savage would not speak with me. Asked if she was his wife -- who happens to be named Janet -- she said she was not. "I am not affiliated with him," she insisted. "I'm just a fan." After a few minutes of testy back and forth, she suggested that it would be unfortunate if my e-mail address and phone number were somehow posted across the Internet.

Savage has come a long way since he emceed school assemblies at P.S. 42 in the Bronx. His father, a Russian Jewish immigrant, made a living selling antique bronzes on Orchard Street. An imposing figure who died of a heart attack in the early 1970s, he is the frequent subject of his son's on-air stories. Speaking at a convention sponsored by the trade magazine Radio & Records in March 2001, Savage recalled getting his first lesson in politics -- and cynicism -- from his dad. "[H]e explained politics to me very clearly. He said, 'You see, this is how the world works ... In this beautiful country of ours there are two bands of thieves: the Republicans and the Democrats.'"
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Though Savage waxes nostalgic about such father-and-son moments, it appears that his parents were no Ozzie and Harriet. "I was raised on neglect, anger, and hate," he writes in "The Savage Nation." But growing up with little parental approval or praise was a good thing, he says. "Frankly, that's why I'm driven the way I am."

Savage, who now decries "propaganda about America being the Land of Immigrants," isn't ashamed of his own immigrant parents. However, his Jewish upbringing is strictly taboo. And he often makes Joseph Lieberman, Barbra Streisand and Larry King the butt of stale ethnic jokes. Brad Kava, radio columnist for the San Jose Mercury News and a longtime Savage critic, thinks Savage's ambivalence toward Jews is a misguided attempt to pander to conservative Christians. "He's Jewish, but he always acts like he's Christian," he says. In his book "The Savage Nation," for example, he complains of an anti-Christian bias in America. When Kava, who is Jewish, "outed" Savage several years ago, Savage reported him to the Anti-Defamation League. Dr. Robert F. Cathcart, a longtime friend of the talk-show star, speculated in a telephone interview that Savage says little about his background so that he appears more "neutral" when he discusses Israel or religious topics.

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Everyone who has ever known Michael Weiner seems to agree that he has always been a big talker. One of his classmates from Jamaica High School in Queens, which Weiner graduated from in 1959, recalls him as a garrulous character: "He was on the short side, and he was intense -- a fast talker, and always hatching some scheme or other." "The fellow I knew was a natural comic and as reliable as a clock," remembers another classmate, who says the teenage Weiner was "non-political." His yearbook page notes his participation in the Chemistry Lab Squad, school government, and the Rifle Squad, presaging his interest in science, politics and firearms.

Weiner was also something of a dreamer, and he hoped to follow in the footsteps of his hero, the naturalist Charles Darwin. After getting a biology degree from Queens College, he went as far west -- and as far from home -- as possible, winding up in Oahu, Hawaii, where he earned master's degrees in anthropology and botany from the University of Hawaii. Throughout the late 1960s and early 1970s, he traveled to Tonga, Fiji and other South Pacific island nations to study traditional herbal medicine. His new wife, Janet, and their young son, Russell Goldencloud, often accompanied him on his travels. Local healers warmly welcomed him, and he became passionately convinced that their expertise could be used to cure modern ailments. Thus began a quest to salvage-- not savage-- this "ethnic wisdom" before Western influences destroyed it. His research on the sedative kava kava and other Fijian medicinal plants served as the basis for his doctoral work at U.C. Berkeley. His 1978 dissertation, on file in the U.C. Berkeley library, shows his degree was in nutritional ethnomedicine. However, the bio in the back of Savage's book and on his Web site says it was in epidemiology and nutrition science.

In 1974, Weiner moved to the San Francisco Bay Area. His family first settled in Fairfax, a sleepy town in Marin County that Michael Savage would lambaste three decades later as "un-Fairfax," hometown of "Taliban Rat Boy" John Walker Lindh. From there, he started making trips into San Francisco to hang around the North Beach literary scene. According to Stephen Schwartz, who was then a left-wing activist and writer, Weiner carried an unusual letter of introduction. "He had met Allen Ginsberg in Fiji," he recalls. "He had this photograph of himself swimming naked with Ginsberg." Poet and biographer Neeli Cherkovski says Ginsberg and Lawrence Ferlinghetti, the owner of City Lights Bookstore, introduced him to Savage in 1976. "All I knew was that he was this hip guy who'd been traveling in the South Seas, finding ways to use tropical plants to help end diseases," he recalls. The two became friends. "We had a lot of fun times. He's very smart, intelligent and very lively," says Cherkovski, who is now writer-in-residence at San Francisco's New College. Weiner told Cherkovski that he dreamed of becoming a stand-up comic in the mold of Lenny Bruce and they talked of doing a comedy routine together.

But he didn't make the big splash he had hoped for. Schwartz says Weiner's increasingly bizarre behavior eventually alienated him from the North Beach crowd. "After he had been there a while, his personality began to change. He became much more aggressive. He would collar you and demand that you eat with him, listen to him," he says. According to Schwartz, Weiner openly carried a gun and made public scenes when he ran into his former friends and acquaintances. "He would come into Cafe Trieste and start yelling at me that I was a nobody and he was a somebody."

Today, Savage still has few kind words for his old lefty literary friends. In "The Savage Nation," he writes off City Lights as "that once-famous communist bookstore" and rips into an unnamed beat poet, calling him "latrine slime." "Now he just screams at us in the streets," sighs Ferlinghetti, who once went to Hawaii with Weiner and his family. He views Weiner's reincarnation as Michael Savage as "total opportunism," the crowning achievement of someone who was "always looking to make a fast buck" and "always trying to think up new schemes to get famous."

Weiner did have a knack for combining the promise of herbal medicine with good old-fashioned hucksterism. From his home, he started vanity projects such as the Fund for Ethnic Medicine and the Alzheimer's Research Institute, which he plugged on his book jackets and in letters to the New York Times. He concocted feel-good beverages like Tea of Life and Herbal-Seltzer and sold a line of herbal supplements from a Web site called Herbs That Heal. Visitors to the now-defunct site were welcomed with photographs of Weiner collecting herbs in the South Pacific, soulfully soaking in the culture of what Michael Savage belittles as the "turd world." The 1992 edition of "The Herbal Bible," published by his wife's imprint, Quantum Books, modestly noted that its author was "credited with starting the herbal revolution."
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He was also a prolific writer, churning out 18 titles in 20 years. "[D]on't assume for a minute that they were junk books and marginally published," he snaps in "The Savage Nation." "They weren't. They were top of the line. They were the Rolls-Royce of the field." "Earth Medicine -- Earth Foods" and "Weiner's Herbal" are well-respected references and are still cited widely on herbal and homeopathic Web sites. Most of his books, with their glorified lists of plants and their properties, are about as dry as a handful of powdered dogwood root (which, according to Weiner, makes a good tonic for treating fevers). But buried in the details is a sprinkling of flaky affirmations and kooky assertions.

For example, in "Plant a Tree: a Guide to Regreening America," Weiner wrote dreamily about our "plant allies" and suggested that every state appoint its own "tree czar." "Dictators seem to like trees," he ruminated. "Who knows what a benevolent, nature-loving tyrant might do for the retreeing of America?" In "The Way of the Skeptical Nutritionist," he ventured that a person's ideal diet should be determined by his or her ethnicity. "Getting Off Cocaine: 30 Days to Freedom" promised blow addicts "an alternative plan for getting 'high' -- legally and naturally!" The treatment involved ingesting a daily cocktail of Sudafed, vitamins C and E, and amino acids, as well as self-administering the occasional coffee enema. "Use a good quality coffee," Weiner advised. "Not decaffeinated or instant."



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]Michael Savage's homophobic rants against what he calls "anal rights" were foreshadowed by the 1986 book "Maximum Immunity." In it, Weiner glommed onto some of the wilder ideas about AIDS that were circulating at the time. He called for mandatory nationwide AIDS testing and suggested using massive doses of vitamin C to slow down and even reverse the disease's progress. When he was done suggesting cures, he looked for scapegoats. He demanded that gays "accept the blame" for the rise of AIDS, then grumbled, "Those who practice orgiastic sex, with many partners, and use street drugs are not likely to respond to reason."

"Maximum Immunity" also hinted that its author was dealing with some heavy issues of his own. In one passage, Weiner wrote about his decision to take up jogging so that he might avoid his father's untimely fate. Everything went well until he started hearing things. "An inner 'voice' began to demand, 'Stop ... I can't take this anymore.'" he wrote. Fearing a "nervous collapse," Weiner traded his running shoes for a bike and soothed his jangled nerves by curling up on the sofa with a mug of passionflower herbal tea and ingesting "megadoses" of vitamins. Feeling much better, he concluded: "I learned to calm the inner debate that had threatened to drown me in madness!"

Such extreme mood swings are regular occurrences on "The Savage Nation." Even the phrase "I can't take this anymore!" (usually shouted at full volume) has become a Savage catchphrase. James Hilliard, who produced "The Savage Nation" at KSFO for nearly three years in the late 1990s, says that talk radio provided Savage with an outlet for his unpredictable temperament. As he recalls, "The show was really driven by Michael's mood. At times, he could be very quiet, mellow, low-key, and then be a maniac on the air."

This maniacal tendency, and the roiling emotions that fueled it, were laid bare in "Vital Signs," Michael Weiner's first and only book of fiction, published in 1983. A collection of confessional, stream-of-consciousness stories, it follows the exploits of Samuel Trueblood, who just happens to be a 40-ish New York Jew, an herbalist and writer with a tumultuous personal life, a substantial assortment of inner demons and a bit of a Napoleon complex. "I am physically not tall, but my eyes burn with fire," he states. "Two black fires of Hell." Trueblood narrates a series of misadventures, from procuring an illegal backroom abortion for his fiancée to beating the stuffing out of an abusive cop.

Trueblood describes his life as one long search for inner peace. He blames much of his discontent on his "childhood beneath tyranny," during which he was cowed by his bullying father. Trueblood describes how his father mocked him with "brutal jokes and chides, 'gentle' kidding: 'You're not a fag, are you Sam?' the little man would say each time the boy dared wear a colorful shirt or flashy trousers." Unable to shake his dead father's disapproving influence, the adult Samuel is tortured by feelings of weakness and inadequacy. "I am filled with fears," he admits, "nearly all the time feeling I am about to become totally insane."

Even after moving to mellow Marin County, becoming a successful herbalist and starting a family, Trueblood remains plagued by his "underlying sadness." Not even trusty passionfruit tea can bring him off this bummer. In one passage, he almost loses it in front of his wife and two young children:

"Inner voice screaming at me for years, first rational, then crazy, telling me to do mad things. Every form of relief tried, painting, psychotherapy, running, diet, vitamins, etc., etc. Almost uncontrollable now. Impulses to stab children, strangers, wife, self with scissors."
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Eventually, Trueblood seeks solace in chasing skirts. (Though he admits to being drawn to "masculine beauty," he confides that "I choose to override my desires for men when they swell in me, waiting out the passions like a storm, below decks.") While his wife stays home with the kids, he beds a young "cockswell" with a "dykish haircut" and skin "[s]ofter than that Northern Indian prostitute in Fiji whose covering was as soft as that of my own penis." And so it goes for another 50 pages.

No doubt the anti-abortion, anti-gay, pro-family Michael Savage would disapprove of such a perverted excuse for literature, with all its gratuitous references to illegal abortions, repressed homosexuality and shameless philandering. But it's impossible not to notice the similarity between Trueblood, the tormented seeker, and Savage, a man whose "inner voice" precipitated an existential crisis over jogging. Neeli Cherkovski says that the chapter in "Vital Signs" about Trueblood's father is based on Weiner's own life, recalling that he went with the author back to the Bronx to see the site of his father's store. But Cherkovski won't speculate about the rest. "I think he [Weiner] is a person who had a lot of wild experiences," Cherkovski says. "He tested a lot of waters." Even the book's dedication, to Weiner's wife, suggests that he wasn't making everything up: "Who would listen to such tales and live with he who lived them but she, the unshakably faithful Janet."



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For most of the 1970s and 1980s, Weiner focused on curing people's illnesses, not society's ills. "For 10 or 15 years, I was the revered herbal doctor," he recollected at the Radio & Records convention. "I was Mr. Nice Guy Nutritionist. Nobody knew my politics. I was talking about healing and I'd go to health food conventions and I'd give speeches about vitamins and herbs. Nobody ever saw this as controversial ... They liked me!"

But beneath the surface, Weiner was becoming more and more conservative. Stephen Schwartz, who went from being a self-described Trotskyite to neoconservative and is now senior policy analyst at the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies, says that Weiner was a "typical left liberal" in the 1970s. Neeli Cherkovski, who is gay, notes that Weiner was not homophobic when they first met. However, he says Weiner's shift rightward coincided with his increasing aversion to gay activism. Robert Cathcart, who's been close to Weiner since the mid-1980s, says he's always known his friend as an outspoken conservative, at least in private.

Since Weiner's conservative leanings took a hard right turn, he's complained that he was held back because of his race, gender and political beliefs. He currently gripes that no institute of higher education would hire him, despite his qualifications. "I discovered I could not gain a professorship even after applying many times," he writes in "The Savage Nation." "My crime? I was a white male." The résumé he has presented over the years tells another story. On air, he's mentioned that he was once affiliated with Harvard. On the back of his books, he has boasted of being a faculty member at U.C. Santa Cruz, a visiting scholar at the Hebrew University School of Pharmacy and a senior research fellow at the University of Heath Sciences at Chicago Medical School. He's also claimed to have done "important research" for the National Cancer Institute at the National Institutes of Health. Not bad for someone who's been blacklisted from the ivory tower.

The last straw apparently came in 1994, when publishers rejected Weiner's latest manuscript, "Immigrants and Epidemics," which contended that infectious diseases such as T.B. were being brought into the U.S. by Southeast Asian immigrants. Fed up, Weiner rented a recording studio in Sausalito and produced a mock talk show with his wife and a couple of buddies playing callers. Michael Savage was born.

In his new job, Savage employed all the self-promotional tricks he had picked up while going from Charles Darwin wannabe to world-famous herbal expert. In early 1996, he applied to become dean of the U.C. Berkeley Graduate School of Journalism. Unable to appreciate the journalistic qualities of Savage's radio program or his 18 books, his alma mater denied him an interview, instead hiring China scholar and journalist Orville Schell. Savage sued Berkeley with the help of a conservative legal fund started by David Horowitz (who wrote approvingly of the case in Salon), accusing it of discriminating against a conservative in favor of a man he has called a "front for the communist Chinese mafia." The case never went to trial. During the run-up to the 2000 election, Savage laid claim to the phrase "compassionate conservative," and said he planned to sue George W. Bush for intellectual property theft. Like many of Savage's threats of imminent litigation, this one soon faded away. But sure enough, he had self-published a book called "The Compassionate Conservative Speaks" in 1995 and, ever the savvy businessman, had trademarked the term in 1998.

Even Savage's two kids were swept up in his relentless drive for publicity. His Web site advertised Rockstar, a liver-cleansing beverage marketed by his son that enables its drinkers to "party like a rock star." Last spring, Savage told his listeners about a third-grade teacher in San Diego, Calif., who had saved a child from choking, and demanded that the state school superintendent give her an official commendation. "If she was a minority teacher and picked up a paper clip on the floor, then a commendation would be in order," he sniped. He neglected to mention that the "hero teacher," Rebecca Lin Yops, was in fact his daughter, who had changed her last name after her recent marriage.

Armed with his natural loquaciousness and a kill button, Savage's love affair with the sound of his own voice deepened. Obsequious fans obliged him by calling him "Doctor Savage," prompting him to expound his theories on how gays and immigrants spread disease and were corrupting the nation. "It's the greatest revenge there is, having a talk show," he crowed in "The Compassionate Conservative Speaks." And as his rhetoric became ever more grandiose and outrageous, his ratings -- and political clout -- grew. "The Savage Nation" became the Bay Area's No. 1 drive-time radio program. Savage lunched with Democratic San Francisco Mayor Willie Brown and started landing big-name conservative guests such as Benjamin Netanyahu and Vice President Dick Cheney, who, apparently unaware of the show's usual host-centered format, commended Savage for "providing a forum where we can have a good discussion."

Looking for a way to leverage his newfound influence, Savage founded the Paul Revere Society, a political club whose goals have included the imprisonment of antiwar activists for sedition, loyalty oaths for immigrants and the eventual establishment of "a haven for compassionate conservatives" called "Revere-Town." A fee of $40 gets new members a Savage Nation baseball cap and an anti-affirmative action pamphlet called "The Death of the White Male." There's also the promise that one day they might get to meet the founder and executive director in person. But given Savage's reclusiveness, they may have to wait a while. The group's last major event took place in November 2000, when it held its fifth annual "Compassionate Conservative Convention" in San Rafael, not far from Savage's home. Since then, Savage made himself available to fans only at dinner parties, and only after they forked over more than a hundred bucks. Meanwhile, according to papers filed with the IRS, this nonprofit "educational organization" took in over $150,000 in donations in 2001 and expects to take in $250,000 this year.
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The success of "The Savage Nation" and its spinoffs is the culmination of a lifelong quest for attention, fame and money. And that raises the question of whether Michael Savage is just a persona created to milk conservatives and taunt liberals. Robert Cathcart thinks his old friend intentionally exaggerates his politics and personality to get a rise out of his audience. "It's showmanship," he says. "He makes enemies of everybody. He doesn't believe half the stuff he says. On air, he's the ultimate type-A personality, but he quiets down at home." Former "Savage Nation" producer James Hilliard concurs. "I think Michael does have an excellent sense of putting on a show," he says. "I think he learned or was told at an early point that this is an entertainment medium, and he thought of himself as an entertainer."

However, as Savage rips into another hapless caller or gets exercised about the latest liberal atrocity, it often feels like he's crossed the line between public shtick and personal catharsis. On the air, he lets everything hang out, truly living up to the warning of "psychological nudity" advertised at the beginning of every show. This is what makes "The Savage Nation" so simultaneously maddening and fascinating -- as Savage heads over the brink one more time, you have to wonder whether someday he'll go over for good. Cathcart and Hilliard are right when they say the show is not just about politics. But it's not just about entertainment, either. It is about one man grappling with his ambitions and fears while America listens. For Michael Weiner, talk radio is the ultimate talking cure.


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Quote crasss Replybullet Posted: 25 April 2007 at 9:16pm
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The nation of Laos is currently in the process of attempting to eradicate Christianity from within its borders... Anti-Christian sentiment is even growing within the United States.

Anti-Christianity is the natural by-product of Christianity. If you teach people that they must unconditionally obey the ruling class, this ruling class will be able to increase the scope of oppression. Eventually, the only way to get rid of the oppression, is to eradicate Christianity.

 Religion should limit itself to teaching people to obey the laws of the One God, and then nobody would object to such religion.
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One-fourth of the world is still under atheistic communism.

They will eventually have to revert to something else, because atheism is obviously not working.

Look, for example, at Russia and its population decline, population aging, social breakdown, reduction in life expectancy, AIDS and other STD epidemics, the increase in criminal gangs, drug and alcohol abuse, mafia-style rule, and hopeless prospects for the average person.

Material poverty has got nothing to do with it. Our early ancestors lived materially poor, and they still made it.

At the basis of the collapse, you always find the inability to keep families together and raise the kids. Atheism fails to keep men's and women's expectations compatible. A commonly shared religion is known to be able to do that.

Which religion is universal enough to bring a solution to these people? Is there actually an alternative to Islam? I doubt it.

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Quote ThomasToday Replybullet Posted: 26 April 2007 at 6:06am

I too was impressed with Angela’s statement, well done.  And, for the record yes I was stirred by the heroics of the mu·ja·hid·een of the 80’s.

Congratulations Revolutionary, you have rightly observed the conversation has moved from who to what.  But it was not my intention to defend Savage, only his message.

So then, regarding Savage; the report you posted was long and informative though its intention was obvious, to destroy the messenger. Wouldn’t it be nice to have such reports on all media figures in a single web site for easy reference! 

But let’s stay with his message for a while longer.  Is Savage wrong for preaching a secure boarder?  Is this not the policy of most countries?

 Since English is the language of commerce and science throughout the world, why shouldn’t it be preached that people who wish to live here speak this language?  When I travel to Mexico, Spain, France or Thailand, I have found it useful to communicate in their language.

 Finely, should he not preach prejudice or discrimination against the homosexual agenda?  Trying to convince our children that sexual perversion and promiscuity is not a sin but something first acceptable then desirable is not only immoral but also insane and dangerous.  When it comes to this issue I will agree with Muslims that it is not to be tolerated. 

 

A special note to Crasss:

“The Divine alone is real; all else is error: and, A Society, or a Nation, is progressive in so far as it hears the Divine voice; all else is degeneration.”

These Pauline principles speak of a Divine personal relationship rather than a religion. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

A Society, or a Nation, is progressive in so far as it hears the Divine voice; all else is degeneration.”
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Quote Revolutionary Replybullet Posted: 26 April 2007 at 8:08am

It is easy to destroy the messenger when the message is what it is in this case.  Although the points you (Thomas) stated have some validity to them, doesn't mean the rest of the message can also qualify as such. 

Also, if by trying to find acts perpetrated by "Muslims" (one cannot be such and act the way those in the articles you listed act) is defending Savage's message, then I suggest you analyze situations and information more thoroughly.  It is easy to fall for traps set for us, a large majority of people do. 

It is admirable that you have requested a copy of the Quran.  Please read it and study the message it conveys.  Also do yourself a favor and study the sunnah of the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) which will give you an idea of true Muslim behavior and stop listening to what the media bombards you with. 

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Quote Angela Replybullet Posted: 26 April 2007 at 10:31am

Racism is never an excuse.  And even a broken clock is right twice a day.

Michael Savage is a racist.  Yes, the US has security problems.  But we are a free society.

I traveled in Russia.  They require you to have a passport even if you are a Citizen.  We traveled from Moscow to Vladimir and Suzdal (like going from Philadelphia to Baltimore) for a weekend trip.  When we got to the Hotel, all of the foreigners had our papers out and ready.  Ludmilla, our professor suddenly realized to her horror, that her passport was still in her apartment in Moscow.  She was almost turned away from the Hotel.  We basically had to bribe the hotel attendant to say he saw it. 

Our borders need secured, but where do we stop?  The knee jerk reaction is to put more bureaucracy and more security.  Trust me from having lived in a society that is like it, you are no more secure.  There will be forgers, men who enter with legal reasons and become our worst nightmare.  You cannot punish the man who just wants a better life for his family because of 19 nutcases. 

The vast majority of immigrants are hard working and law abiding.  If we improve immigration laws and our own internal systems.  The holes will close.  If we change our foreign policies, foreign interests will not need to attack us.

The best defense is to ensure we are open and fair in our dealings with others.

Its dangerous to return to the Cold War mentality of Us vs Them.

We need to spend money on schools, not bombs.  For the cost of one MOAB we could build 50 schools or feed 100s of people for years.  Think of the reaction of those who had a clean well dug, a school built and modern farm equipment brought to them?

I want to someday take my Computer Science Degree and International Studies training and go to rural areas and countries and help set up internet capable classrooms in schools.  This would do more than sanctions and military action.

Michael Savage is a Joe McCarthy.  There is only one path they follow and it leads to darkness.

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