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Quote number41 Replybullet Posted: 19 April 2007 at 7:36am

QheQ wrote “you will find the most sincere answer from within yourself, I hope.” 

  

QheQ…..Sincerely, I hope, God willing that this modest effort will in some measure prove useful and I seek His forgiveness for any short comings!…….I am keeping myself in the learning mode too just like you I do not want to be ZAALIM!

  

More importantly we believe, as all Muslims should believe, that the Quran is the word of Allah containing guidance on all aspects of life. The Quran commands us to perform Salaat. Our beloved Prophet (pbuh) shows us how and commanded ‘Pray as you see me praying’.  There can be no addition to or subtraction from the manner of performing the Prayer.

The Quran commands us to perform the Hajj and to experience its benefits. Our Prophet (pbuh) shows us how to perform the Hajj and commanded. ‘Take from me your rites in performing the pilgrimage.’ The pilgrimage must there fore be performed as he did it with only the variations and allowances as he permitted. To sum up here the sunnah is valid for all times to come, there is scope provided in it dealing with issues that people at the time of our Prophet (pbuh) did not face. The very basic principle in Islam is that every act or transaction is allowed unless it is prohibited.

 

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Quote BMZ Replybullet Posted: 19 April 2007 at 7:52am

My Eyes!!, 41

Can I just change the font size, please?

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Quote number41 Replybullet Posted: 19 April 2007 at 8:00am
My Eyes!!, 41....oophs......points noted..... bmzsp,..with thanks!
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Quote Angela Replybullet Posted: 19 April 2007 at 12:05pm

If I could interject my non-muslim, non-professional opinion, there is a reason why Hadith are important to Shariah.

You compare the Hadith to the Quran and take the Quran above the hadith, but the Hadith tell you more on how to implement the Quran. 

The Quran says to pray, the Hadith tell your HOW to pray.

The Quran tells you to be kind to your brothers, the Hadith shows you how Muhammed (pbuh) put this into practice.

The Hadith offer examples of how the Prophet Muhammed (pbuh) put into practice those things taught by the Quran.  That's why they are important to the Shariah Laws.  They act as clarifications for those of us that are a bit thick headed.  They also act as references for adab (Islamic Manners).

Hadiths are good because they also can show how women were integral parts of early Islam.  They show how a man is to be good to his wife by showing how the Prophet (pbuh) was with his wives and how he adjudicated between his followers.  Many hadiths refer to women coming to him for advice.  Obviously they were not locked away in their homes or they couldn't have done this. 

The Hadith are good ways to learn. 

Think of the Quran as the foundation and the house.  The Hadith are the furniture and roof.  The Opinions of Scholars can be the door, windows and garden outside.  All make for the dwelling. 

Anyway, that's just what I've learned in my nearly two years here.  I hope I'm getting it better.



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Quote minuteman Replybullet Posted: 19 April 2007 at 3:31pm

 

 

You compare the Hadith to the Quran and take the Quran above the hadith, but the Hadith tell you more on how to implement the Quran. 

The Quran says to pray, the Hadith tell your HOW to pray.

 The above is not right. hadith does not teach us how to pray. It is the practice (Sunnah) of the holy prophet of Islam from the very first day that he did everything in front of his friends that taught us how to perform our prayers.

The same were later written down in the books of Hadith as a further support for the Muslims and to prove the authenticity of their prayers. Hadith is very useful in many ways. But it is sub ordinate to the Quran. A weak hadith is sub ordinate to a true and well established hadith.

The practice of the prophet comes after the Quran which is the first top priority. After the practice (Sunnah) comes the Hadith, i.e. the sayings of the prophet about different matters.  thanks for discussing this.

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Quote fatima Replybullet Posted: 20 April 2007 at 4:33am

Bismillah irrahman irrahim

Assalamu alaykum

Brother QheQ if you really want to know and follow the truth then you need to contact the scholars. I dont know where exactly you live in Pakistan but if you live in big cities like karachi or lahore then its easy to go to a good scholar so please do so. If not then please visit this site http://www.darsequran.com/contact/contact.php and try to contact Molana Aslam Shaikhupuri, he is very knowledgeable in Holy Quran mashaAllah. You can also ask him to put you through to Molana Tariq Jameel or Hakim sarwar, both are mashaAllah fine scholars.

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Quote minuteman Replybullet Posted: 20 April 2007 at 9:25am

 

  Supreme and Andalus had replied very well to the Questioner. To say that Quran is the word of the prophet is correct to the extent that after all he (Prophet) spoke those words to the scribes and the Sahabah. Because there is no word "prophet"  there but the word there is "Rasul", that is very important because a rasul can also mean an angel too.

Anyhow, it is wrong (in some way) to say that the Quran is the words of the Prophet. The best is to say that those are the words from Allah. Not the words from the prophet or originating from the prophet. That is very important. If that is believed then the Questioners question becomes redundant.

We will then look forward to any of his new explicit questions, not any vague questions. The important thing to note is that Quran is number one on top of all in priority. Next is the Practice (The Sunnah) of the holy prophet which is a practical example of the Quranic teachings.

Then after that is the sayings (Hadith) OF THE Holy prophet. These three are in that order. They are all needed. They have their importance.  Is this agreed?? or good enough??

If there is any further question, no harm, we can discuss it in a friendly way. i could not follow anything about the mistakes (grammatical) in the Quran. There are some standard variations, I heard about them, but they are of no importance. They have their usefulness which I may be able to explain if ever presented. Thanks.

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Quote QheQ Replybullet Posted: 21 April 2007 at 7:18am
So what I understand so far is that the alleged grammatical errors cannot be discussed now because we do not have a satisfying answer to it.

How do you translate "the Holy Prophet" in Arabic? Is it not "Ar-Raroul"? Is it "an-Nabi?". But Quran used the word "Rasoul" for Muhammad pbuh in "Muhammadur Rasulullah" and when Quran says "And whatever the rasoul give you take and whatever he ask you to evade from, give up." Is the Quran possibly addressing an angel?

Or does it mean that that Muhammad (pbuh) could have been an angel too? Or that the Quran is the word of an angel (and not God or the prophet?). Then in the sense that an angel delivered this word, history seems to show that it was the prophet who was blamed of being a poet/insane man (God forbid). How could this verse then refer to angel?

I may be mistaken but i feel i am unable to understand it which make Quran difficult to understand.

Even so, kindly reflect on what part of the Quran actually seems to validate the Hadith?
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