Do you realize that there are over 8 million muslims in the US and the number is growing?

When you slander the "west" and you slander The muslims that live here. I resent your calling me  and my family  Satanists. I do not agree with many of the policies and actions of this government, but they are not forcing me to practice elements of Islam that are culturally induced and not necessarily in the Shariah as they do in some "Islamic countries". There is nothing in the Qur'an or Ahadith that states that I can't drive a car! Many muslims move here because in some ways this government follows some of the elements of true Islam. Read the last sermon of the prophet and you will see. I am curious to see if you possess some of the elements of humility.

BTW, are you a former poster that was banned about a year ago for being a bit harsh and attacking others? I think the mods should check your log on and Isp addy....Interesting...

Who do we trust to have the answer to that question, since no conclusive proof is available ... the scriptures or the western propaganda?

Both groups claim that they respond to an irrestible urge. And both groups are a public health disaster.

We do not believe that. We teach the scriptures to the children. And the scriptures say that homosexuality is wrong. So, that is what we teach.

That is indeed what the scriptures say. Nobody is better or worse because of their race, but because of their piety.

It all revolves around the same question: Are the scriptures wrong or are the politicians wrong? We invariably believe the scriptures and not the politicians.

You can repeat your point of view as many times as you want, in as many different forms as you want, it won't help. You will never convince us that homosexuality is ok. Nobody can change that point of view in Islam, because the scriptures cannot be changed.

I simply do not believe statements that contradict the scriptures. No matter how much politicians try and try and try, I will not believe them.

You teach your children what you believe, and we teach our children what we believe. Any attempt to teach our children what you believe and what we do not believe, will inevitably lead to conflict.

I very well know that your side will not back off. It is so obvious that your side wants to enforce their beliefs unto our children.

As you are probably well aware of, we do not fear this conflict, because we believe the scriptures, which makes us believe that the One God will give us victory. Such is our belief.

Crass: (adj) st**id; gross [from the Latin ‘crassus thick, dense, gross]
This is the Collins English Dictionary definition, and I don’t know why
nobody else has picked up on this. Unlike many members (Al-kafir
excepted) this forum member has been strikingly candid in his/her choice
of screen name.

Crass, I am sure you know absolutely NO homosexuals, since none of
them would allow you to make such sweeping declarations of ignorance
as: “By the way, few homosexuals are completely homosexual.” Only
someone intimate with homosexuals could know whether this is true or
not, you are here opening the door to a discussion about bisexuals, since
these people could definitely be accused of being ‘not completely
homosexual’.

Crass said: “By legalizing homosexual activity, these people are
encouraged to engage in homosexuality, while otherwise they would not.”
What people? You mean bisexuals? Or the sexually confused? In around
2000 years of the history of the world’s great monotheistic religions the
consistent banning of homosexual acts has done nothing to lessen their
appearance. No amount of banning, not even on God’s orders, has wiped
out homosexual practices. Your profound fundamentalist interpretation
of your religion is something you should keep to yourself and not impose
on the rest of us, and definitely not something you should use as a
weapon to insult Christians and Christianity and those who believe in the
Bible which you are ordered in the Koran to respect.

The legalising of drink has not turned entire populations into alcoholics.
The legalisation of homosexuality has not turned entire populations into
homosexuals. Legalising smoking has not resulted in entire populations
of nicotine addicts. On the contrary, wherever these activities are banned,
they become highly desireable and a difficult and persistent underground
culture develops.There is a huge difference between drug addiction and
sexual orientation.

Crass wrote: “Homosexuality cannot be hereditary. If a homosexual
person's ancestors were homosexual, he would not be there. His very
presence proves that his ancestors were all heterosexual. Sexual activity
is a behaviour, and all behaviours are learned.” You have little
understanding of social behaviour and sexuality, which is one reason why
homosexuality frightens you so much (that, and the fact that you have
never known a homosexual person.) There have been many studies which
reflect that sexual behaviour is not a ‘behaviour’, since this can be
changed at will, but is an instinct, which can be fought, but rarely
changed. You yourself have said that very few homosexuals are
completely homosexual, which means quite a few are capable of normal
sexual relationships, which means quite a few are capable of having
children. Studies have also shown the children of homosexuals do not
show different attitudes towards the opposite sex than children brought
up in heterosexual families.

Human rights encompass all humans, regardless of their sexual
orientation, race or religion. You disagree with human rights for all;
rather they should apply only to a select few, and definitely exclude gays,
lesbians, bisexuals, gay fathers, lesbian mothers, bisexual fathers, gay
poets, writers, cineasts, musicians, and a long etc., of very beautiful
human beings. You are not the first to think this way, others before you
have included famous historical figures such as Churchill and Hitler.

So promiscuity is exclusive to homosexuals? Great logic hmmm, no what do we make of the countless strippers, prostitutes (males included) and others who engage in heterosexcual sex for both money and pleasure?