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rami
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Posted: 10 June 2007 at 3:51am |
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Bi ismillahir rahmanir raheem
assalamu alaikum Muhammad Ibn abdul al wahhab is not qualified to be called shaykh by the islamic defanition of the word just like Osama Bin laden is not Qualified to be called shaykh....Yet both produced many fatawah which the uneducated followed. ""It is striking that not one of the great muhaddiths, mufassirs, grammarians, historians, or legists of Islam has emerged from the region known as Najd, despite the extraordinary and blessed profusion of such people in other Muslim lands."" Puncturing the Devil's Dream About the Hadiths of Najd and Tamim
just adding the reference to the British spy is a latter addition and not part of the original work, an aspect of this work that is unsubstantiated.
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fatima
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Posted: 10 June 2007 at 5:16am |
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Bismillah irrahman irrahim Wa'alaykum assalam wa rahmatullahe wa barakatuhu
Originally posted by Abu Mujahid
Fatima Moderator! Assalamu alaikum You have difficult to live up with truth. Your support for Andulus shows how much you care about truth, brotherhood, Islam or revival of khilafa. Despite he filled in his post, hate, lies and deception he got stand oviation from liberals. Your attack on me lacks direction let alone have stand in Islam. I found this medium by accident long time ago. I preferred to be silent reader. Then I decided to join and contribute in proper way. I found amazing how liberals want to reshape islam in the context of American culture. Moreover, tear a part anyone who challenge them. You saw it and properly enjoyed our exchanges. When they insult me you never raise a finger. They call me all kind of un-islamic names. But when we expose your friends like this fake convert you cry foul.
Abu Mujahid May Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala bless you brother you have given me a good hope that inshaAllah with mercy of my Lord, I might be on a middle path. As to some members i am a fundamentalist extremist and now according to you a liberal. Wassalam |
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abuzaid
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Posted: 11 June 2007 at 12:57am |
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Some stuff is give from those who are against Ibn Abdul Wahhab, have a look at what proponent of him says. Mind you, I have taken it from a webiste which can be categorised as Deobandi Sufi http://www.alinaam.org.za/library/hist_bio/ibnwahhaab.htm SHAYKH MUHAMMAD IBN ABDUL-WAHHAAB (RA)by Shaykh Abdul-Aziz bin Abdullah ibn BaazIn the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful. All praise is to Allah, Lord of the worlds. Peace and blessings of Allah be upon his slave and Messenger and the best of Creation, our leader and guide, Muhammad Bin Abdullah, and upon his family, Companions and followers. Dear brothers and children! I would like to present this lecture with a view to enlightening your thoughts, clarifying some facts, showing goodwill towards Allah and people, and fulfilling part of my duty towards the personality about whom I am going to speak. And the topic of this lecture is: Imam Muhammad Bin Abdul Wahhab - his life and mission. When we talk about reformers, revivers and preachers, recalling their circumstances, good qualities and meritorious activities and describing their truthfulness and sincerity in their personal life as well as preaching, men of good spirits would eagerly listen to it with comfort and contentment. Whoever is attached to Islam and desirous of reformation and preaching cannot help hearing such talks. I would like to talk about a great man, an outstanding reformer and a zealous preacher who appeared in the Arabian peninsula in the twelfth century A.H - Imam Sheikh Muhammad Bin Abdul Wahhab Bin Sulaiman Bin Ali Al-Tamimi Al-Hanbali Al-Najdi. He is wellknown to the people, particularly to the scholars, leaders, elders and high officials within and without the Peninsula. Many authors have written about him. And many others have mentioned him privately in their writings. Even the orientalists have dealt with him. Many others appraised and praised him in their writings about the reformers and history. The unprejudiced described the Sheikh as a great reformer and reviver of Islam, and admitted that he had been on the Path and Light shone by his Lord. It is difficult to mention all the writers, but a few of them deserve reference. Among them was the great author, Abu Bakr Sheikh Husain Bin Gannam Al-Ahsae. He wrote well about the Sheikh and his mission and benefited many. In his book he has elaborately explained the life and campaigns of the Sheikh as well as his preaching and deduction from the Qur'an. Another author was Sheikh Imam Uthman Bin Bishr who in his work, The Banner of Glory, wrote about the Sheikh's life, preaching, campaigns and jihad. Among other authors from outside the Peninsula was Dr. Ahmad Amin who appraised him in his book entitled 'The Great Leaders of Islamic Reformation'. Another great scholar was Masood Alam Nadvi who wrote a book about him under the title 'The Persecuted Reformer', one of the well-written biographies of the Imam. The great scholar Muhammad Bin Ismael San'ani was a contemporary of the Imam, and he had preached Islam in his own capacity. When he heard about the Imam's activities, he thanked Allah with delight. Similarly, Allama Sheikh Muhammad Bin Ali Showkani, the author of Nailul A utar, had written about the Imam. He also lamented his demise in a grand elegy. And there are many others who had written about the Imam, and they are well-known to the readers and scholars. Since many people seem to know little about the life and preaching of the Imam, I think I should explain his faithful life and sincere mission and struggle. Then whoever has ambiguity about the life and preaching of the Imam may understand the truth. Muhammad Bin Abdul Wahhab was born in 1115 A.H though some are of the opinion that it was in 1111 A.H, which is not popular. He was educated by his father at Oyayna, his homeland. It was a village located at Yamama in Najd, northwest of the city of Riyadh. He lived there a pious life. He learnt to read the Qur'an very early. He exerted himself in his studies and advanced learning at the hands of his father, Sheikh Abdul Wahhab Bin Sulaiman, who was a great jurisprudent and the Judge of Oyayna. Having attained puberty, the Sheikh went to the Sacred Mosque at Makkah to perform Hajj as well as to learn from the learned personalities of Makkah. From Makkah he went to Madinah. During his stay there, he met two great scholars of Madinah. One of them was Sheikh Abdullah Bin Ibrahim Bin Sayf Al-Najdi, the father of Sheikh Ibrahim Bin Then he travelled to Iraq to seek after knowledge. He reached Basara, met with the scholars therein and learnt from them. It was in Iraq that he started his mission. There he called the people to Tawhid (Oneness of Allah) and the Sunnah of the Prophet [sallallaahu alayhi wasallam]. He announced that it was the duty of every Muslim to follow his or her religion (Islam) strictly in accordance with the Qur'an and Sunnah. He also engaged some scholars in discussions and debates. Thus he became famous among his teachers. He had a debate with one of the outstanding scholars, Sheikh Muhammad Al-Majmuei. However, some characterless scholars rebelled against him. He and his teacher even received some harms and persecutions from them. Therefore, he left Basara. Although his intention was to go to Syriya, he gave up the idea due to paucity of money and travelled to Azzubair. He then headed towards Al-Ahsa. There he met some scholars and engaged them in discussions on the fundamentals of Islam. Then he moved to Huraymela. It was in the fifth decade of the twelfth century A.H. While his father was the Judge of Oyayna, a dispute arose between the prince of Oyayna and his father. He therefore left Oyayna for Huraymela in 1139 A.H. That was why the Sheikh moved to Huraymela. His arrival there was in 1140 or so. There he continued his activities in the fields of learning, teaching and preaching until his father died in 1153. There he had to face much suffering at the hands of the wicked. Some of them even attempted on his life. It is said that some persons climbed up the wall of his house, but ran away when some others knew about it. In the circumstances, the Sheikh had to leave Huraymela. Why those mean people were hostile to him was that he enjoined the good and forbade the evil. He also persuaded the rulers to punish the criminals severely. Among them were those people known as "Abeed". They were used to stealing, plundering and violation of others' rights. As soon as they knew that the Sheikh was against their actions and interests, they tried to assassinate him. But Allah saved his life. Then he moved to Oyayna which was then governed by Prince Uthman Bin Muhammad Bin Muammar. The Prince welcomed the Sheikh with hospitality. He persuaded him to start calling the people to Islam and promised him all support and help. He showed him kindness, goodwill and sympathy. Thus the Sheikh continued his activities in teaching and guiding the people, and calling them to the Path of Allah. He guided the people to piety, righteousness and love in the cause of Allah. Gradually, Sheikh Muhammad Bin Abdul Wahhab became famous in and around Oyayna. People came to Oyayna to meet him from the neighbouring areas and villages. One day the Sheikh told the Prince: 'let us demolish the dome at the grave of Zaid Bin Al-Khattab [radhiallaahu anhu]. It is erected on deviation. Allah would not accept it. And the Prophet [sallallaahu alayhi wasallam], had forbidden building domes or mosques on the graves. Moreover, this dome has enthralled the people and replaced their creed with polytheism. So it must be demolished.' The Prince acceded to his suggestion. Then the Sheikh remarked that he was afraid that the people of Al-Jubaila would revolt against this action. Al-Jubaila was a village close to the grave. Uthman then mobilized an army of six hundred soldiers and marched towards the grave in order to destroy the dome. The army was accompanied by the Sheikh. As soon as they approached the dome, the people of AlJubaila came forward to defend the dome. But when they saw the Prince with his army, they changed their decision and withdrew. Then the Sheikh took the action of demolishing and removing the dome. Allah removed it by his hands. Let us now consider the condition of Najd before the arrival of the Sheikh and the reasons for his preaching. The people of Najd had lived in a condition that could not be approved of by any believer. Polytheism had appeared there and spread widely. People worshipped domes, trees, rocks, caves or any persons who claimed to be Auliya (saints) though they might be insane and idiotic. Magic and soothsaying also had spread there, and the belief therein was popular. No one had showed disapproval of them except a very few. And the people were preoccupied with worldly goods and pleasures. There were few to rise up for the sake of Allah and support His Religion. Same was the situation in Makkah and Madinah as well as Yemen where building domes on the graves, invoking the saints for their help and other forms of polytheism were predominant. But in Najd polytheistic beliefs and practices were all the more intense. Now the Sheikh and those with him were in between two types of people. One group consisted of the ignorant and the idiots who knew nothing about Islam or Tawhid. What they knew all about was nothing but polytheism, ignorance, deviation, innovations, superstitions etc. which their forefathers had upheld. The Qur'an reported on such people: |
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rami
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Posted: 11 June 2007 at 3:14am |
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Bi ismillahir rahmanir raheem
assalamu alaikum it makes no difference where you found this it is by Shaykh Abdul-Aziz bin Abdullah ibn Baaz who is a major salafi figure, hardly an impartial personality. You cant twist and hide the truth from people who have seen it, "say truth has come and falsehood has vanished". Muhammad ibn abdul wahhabs brother sulaiman destroyed the salafi falshood and claims by quoting a single hadith found in bukhari, Allah promised his prophet [sallah llahu alaihi wa sallam] that his ummah will be safeguarded from shirk. you cant re write historical facts no matter how hard you try. Edited by rami |
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abuzaid
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Posted: 11 June 2007 at 4:35am |
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Originally posted by rami Well, it actally makes a differnce, deobandis have been critics of Ibn Abdul Wahhab and when they give such article on their websites, it show that there are people who think differently. Its not necessary that you associate all sort of evil with Ibn Abdul Wahhab if you have some differences with him. This is what I tried to indicate by mentioning that this is from deobandi/sufi website. In india Abul Hasan Ali nadwi and Moulana Manzoor Nu'mani, both Hanafi/sufi were proponents of Mohammed Bin Abdul Wahhab.
it makes no difference where you found this it
Originally posted by rami
is by Shaykh Abdul-Aziz bin Abdullah ibn Baaz who is a major salafi figure, hardly an impartial personality. According to your principle anybody who support Ibn Abdul Wahhab or known be salafi is partial and anybody who only condemn him is impartial??? On what basis you say that, those refernces you gave is impartial, as its clear from their writing that they have only hate for him? Originally posted by rami And my answer to point is exactly same as yours. Just by quoting a portion of verse Quran you can't become truth.You cant twist and hide the truth from people who have seen it, "say truth has come and falsehood has vanished". Originally posted by rami Again you also can't rewrite histrical facts no matter how hard you try. Propaganda of innovators can't become historical facts just because of your wish.
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fatima
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Posted: 11 June 2007 at 6:45am |
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Bismillah irrahman irrahim Assalamu alaykum
Originally posted by abuzaid
Its not necessary that you associate all sort of evil with Ibn Abdul Wahhab if you have some differences with him. I agree with brother that if we don't agree with some1 then we can simply state our reason and our side of truth and discuss it in a manner where there is no insult to any1. I would also like to point out that Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala tells us in Holy Qur'an to call each other with good names. I know people of ahle hadith don't like to be called wahabis so we should respect them and their choice and obey our Lord and should not call them that. Wassalam |
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rami
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Posted: 11 June 2007 at 7:15am |
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Well, it actally makes a differnce, deobandis have been critics of Ibn Abdul Wahhab and when they give such article on their websites, it show that there are people who think differently. The article is nothing but salafi propaganda and there twist on history. The website belongs to a school that is located in south africa not Pakistan or india. There is not further commentary on why this article is posted on the website [considering there usual stance on salafi's as you clearly admit] so you cant infer anything from it. Its not necessary that you associate all sort of evil with Ibn Abdul Wahhab if you have some differences with him. This is what I tried to indicate by mentioning that this is from deobandi/sufi website. In india Abul Hasan Ali nadwi and Moulana Manzoor Nu'mani, both Hanafi/sufi were proponents of Mohammed Bin Abdul Wahhab. I find it hard to believe that Qualified scholars would take anything from an unqualified individual such as Ibn Abdul wahhab. this is unacceptable in any madhhab and just plain common sense, i doubt it is the way you have stated. According to your principle anybody who support Ibn Abdul Wahhab or known be salafi is partial and anybody who only condemn him is impartial??? dont put words in my mouth i didnt propose any principle. On what basis you say that, those refernces you gave is impartial, as its clear from their writing that they have only hate for him? This is history as witnessed by people who where not responsible for the murder of thousands of muslims in makkah and madinah. Bin baz is a salafi shaykh this is plain fact my claim of his bias is just fact and obvious there is no need to even challenge the claim. And my answer to point is exactly same as yours. Just by quoting a portion of verse Quran you can't become truth. It is truth according to the entirety of the muslim ummah not according to your sect. Would you really expect me to believe that a salafi would propodate anything other than the greatness of there sect, any salafi who would question there version of history would no longer be a salafi just like our friend Andalus and many other brothers and sisters around the world who have seen past the salafi rehtoric and oil money. Again you also can't rewrite histrical facts no matter how hard you try. Propaganda of innovators can't become historical facts just because of your wish. I havnt what I have is the condemnation of the entire muslim ummah against this individual and his movement. Muhammad Ibn abdul wahhab didnt simply attack sufis and shia he attacked the madhhabs ie the entiraty of the muslim Ummah and said everyone else is wrong and i am right this is the reality of your claim. |
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Posted: 11 June 2007 at 7:31am |
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I know people of ahle hadith don't like to be called wahabis so we should respect them and their choice and obey our Lord and should not call them that. What about the salafis who like being called wahhabi's shouldnt we respect there wishes equally. is it an insult to be called hanafi or shafii the term wahhabi is in the same vein it is only insulting if you believe there is something wrong with muhammad ibn abdul wahhabs teachings. The term ahl al hadith is literally more insulting than being called wahhabi since it is a direct reference to there Ignorance. I find it insulting that we should be forced to call them salafi's and if we shouldnt call them salafi's or wahhabi's then what should we call them? Edited by rami |
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