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Quote USA-NIQAABI Replybullet Posted: 15 March 2007 at 4:44am

Assalamu'Alaikum,

I'm begining to think Jannah is not going to be as crowded as I had invisioned it all of these years.

I find it truly discouraging...honestly all it takes is to start with yourself and your family to live a good moral life...one persons actions and behaviours will speak louder than any other form of Dawah.

Well this discussion is really come to an end for me but best of luck to everyone to hash it out and re-hash it out and Insha'Allah I hope there is a good ending to this thread to bring peace to everyone that reads it.

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Quote Hayfa Replybullet Posted: 15 March 2007 at 5:47am

I have no intention to argue anypoint of view, or that any position is wrong. I understand that there are "rulings and such" and all if life is a balance. If women never leave their home,where and how are we going to have enough femaile doctors and teachers to take careof 50% of the population?

If the moslem world was true in providing the rights that is granted to women then we would not have these problems that are brought up. There should be plenty of women schools and women hospitals for women.

I agree there should be spaces for women. I should be able to see a woman doctor when I need to and have a woman teach my children. Then the women are safe. And there is less of a problem with the dangers involved as you mentioned.  

If  we had proper Islamic training so that men knew their responsibilites there would be no women left on their own. If most of the world in poverty are women and children then we are failing in our responsibilites. 

PS  Iam a teacher,not because I have to but because I am skillful and talented in this field. I can teach children well. Allah gave me this skill.  We must educate people. Both in Islam and general subjects. I have met women who cannot read the medicine bottle so they cannot read how much to give their children.

I'm begining to think Jannah is not going to be as crowded as I had invisioned it all of these years.

Sad isn't it? Some people who have the most to be grateful and the largest responsibility do not do so. 

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Quote Sign*Reader Replybullet Posted: 15 March 2007 at 11:20am
Originally posted by Hayfa in BLUE

I have no intention to argue anypoint of view, or that any position is wrong. I understand that there are "rulings and such" and all if life is a balance. If women never leave their home,where and how are we going to have enough femaile doctors and teachers to take careof 50% of the population?

Sister there is nothing to argue; you are on the money, how am I going to tell my daughters that they can't take their cars to universities' classes in California. When I went through my open heart surgery, that they would need go looking for a Mahram before they could come to the hospital 50 miles away. I am afraid by the Salaafi thinking the medical studies for Muslim girls would be out of question. Any wonder the ME is in western bondage.

If the muslem world was true in providing the rights that is granted to women then we would not have these problems that are brought up. There should be plenty of women schools and women hospitals for women.

The Muslims need to research the history of American slavery to see causes of why African Muslims ended up in the slavery trap. On one side constant harangue of cover this cover that and then boom the same woman sold in to slavery was bred like animal. What happened to all the sharia rules? It was lack of Islam education and the practices. Ant it is still going on in the dark continent.

I agree there should be spaces for women. I should be able to see a woman doctor when I need to and have a woman teach my children. Then the women are safe. And there is less of a problem with the dangers involved as you mentioned.

Just wake up and smell coffee, the time has changed the Ummah has lost, the enslaved Muslims by default lost the right to quote the hadis  much less Quraan. It has an open season on the certain verses of Quran itself for the validity of it's applications and the Muslim scholars  having tough time fending themselves. In the proper paradigm of a legal system the power to enforce judgment is the prerogative of the jurist. The jurist in Saudi Arabia has no worldwide authority, till he gets to say Muslim girl can't drive and make it stick we are not going any where. So for now let him just take care of Sadi Arabia's police state. There is another issue I can take and prove Allah prohibited the hereditary kingship so the saudi Kingdom is haram too so there!

There is no good Public bus system here in California plus it is utterly dangerous for the woman folks to take that chance as told by my daughter before she got behind the wheel.  

If  we had proper Islamic training so that men knew their responsibilites there would be no women left on their own. If most of the world in poverty are women and children then we are failing in our responsibilites.

Amen

PS  Iam a teacher,not because I have to but because I am skillful and talented in this field. I can teach children well. Allah gave me this skill.  We must educate people. Both in Islam and general subjects. I have met women who cannot read the medicine bottle so they cannot read how much to give their children.

I'm begining to think Jannah is not going to be as crowded as I had invisioned it all of these years.

I am beginning to think: This is surely is sideswipe 
No sister it is already too late!

One of my teacher in the middle of the cold war used say that USSR is going to lose cuz the Russian were keeping their woman folks DOFUS. Was he right on the money or what!

Sad isn't it? Some people who have the most to be grateful and the largest responsibility do not do so. 


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Quote hakeema Replybullet Posted: 15 March 2007 at 6:23pm
Originally posted by USA-NIQAABI

AssalamuAlaikum,

Here is some information about the issue of women and driving. With situations like these its important to refer to the Quran and Sunnah but also the Fiqh/Shariah and Fatwas based on those sources.

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Question No 45880
Does the ruling on driving a car vary from one country to another? Question:

Throughout the Muslim world we find that there are differences between one country and another, in manner of dress, customs and traditions. For example we see that in some countries our sisters wear niqaab, because they follow the fatwa that says that niqaab is obligatory, but that is not widespread in another country, and the opinion that they follow there is that niqaab is not obligatory, rather it is mustahabb. Similarly with regard to women driving cars, in some countries the shaykhs have declared it to be haraam because of the harms that would result if it were allowed, whilst in other countries it is a very ordinary thing for a woman to drive a car, and they have been doing so for decades.
To what extent is there flexibility in rulings? Is what is happening correct, I mean is it right that something may be obligatory in one country and mustahabb in another?.

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Praise be to Allaah.

The rulings of shareeah are of two types:

1 Those where the evidence of shareeah points to the ruling, regardless of various customs or what good or bad consequences may result.

In this case the ruling is fixed and does not vary from one place to another or from one person to another, unless a person is forced to do something, is sick or is excused, in which case the ruling is waived as much as required by his situation according to what it says in shareeah.

An example of such a fixed rule is the obligation to offer the five daily prayers, to fast Ramadaan, to enjoin what is good and forbid what is evil, to seek knowledge, etc.

Another example is the obligation for the Muslim woman to cover her entire body, including the face and hands. This ruling is obligatory and does not vary from one place to another.

We have already discussed this obligation in questions no. 21134 and 13647, where we quote the evidence for that.

2 Rulings which are based on specific reasons, or where the ruling as to whether a thing is forbidden, allowed or obligatory depends upon whatever good or bad consequences will result from that, and where there is no shari evidence to suggest a fixed ruling that does not vary. The issue of women driving cars may come under this heading.

The scholars have issued fatwas stating that it is haraam because of the negative consequences that may result from it.

This applies completely to the land of the two Holy Sanctuaries. With regard to other countries, the matter should be referred to trustworthy scholars for they know their countries situation best.

Shaykh Abd al-Azeez ibn Baaz (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:

People have spoken a great deal in the al-Jazeerah newspaper about the issue of women driving cars. It is well known that it leads to evil consequences which are well known to those who promote it, such as being alone with a non-mahram woman, unveiling, reckless mixing with men, and committing haraam actions because of which these things were forbidden. Islam forbids the things that lead to haraam and regards them as being haraam too.

Allaah commanded the wives of the Prophet and the believing women to stay in their houses, to observe hijab and to avoid showing their adornments to non-mahrams because of the permissiveness that all these things lead to, which spells doom for society. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

And stay in your houses, and do not display yourselves like that of the times of ignorance, and perform As-Salaah (Iqamat-as-Salaah), and give Zakaah and obey Allaah and His Messenger. Allaah wishes only to remove Ar-Rijs (evil deeds and sins) from you, O members of the family (of the Prophet), and to purify you with a thorough purification

[al-Ahzaab 33:33]

O Prophet! Tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to draw their cloaks (veils) all over their bodies (i.e. screen themselves completely except the eyes or one eye to see the way). That will be better, that they should be known (as free respectable women) so as not to be annoyed

[al-Ahzaab 33:59]

And tell the believing women to lower their gaze (from looking at forbidden things), and protect their private parts (from illegal sexual acts) and not to show off their adornment except only that which is apparent (like both eyes for necessity to see the way, or outer palms of hands or one eye or dress like veil, gloves, headcover, apron), and to draw their veils all over Juyoobihinna (i.e. their bodies, faces, necks and bosoms) and not to reveal their adornment except to their husbands, or their fathers, or their husbands fathers, or their sons, or their husbands sons, or their brothers or their brothers sons, or their sisters sons, or their (Muslim) women (i.e. their sisters in Islam), or the (female) slaves whom their right hands possess, or old male servants who lack vigour, or small children who have no sense of feminine sex. And let them not stamp their feet so as to reveal what they hide of their adornment. And all of you beg Allaah to forgive you all, O believers, that you may be successful

[al-Noor 24:31]

And the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: No man is alone with a (non-mahram) woman but the Shaytaan is the third one present.

Islam forbids all the things that may lead to immorality or accusations of immoral conduct made against chaste women, who never even think of anything touching their chastity, and it has stipulated a punishment for that which is one of the most severe of punishments, in order to protect society from the spread of the causes of immorality.

Women driving is one of the means that lead to that, and this is something obvious, but ignorance of the rulings of shareeah and the negative consequences of carelessness with regard to the things that lead to evil as well as diseases of the heart that prevail at present and love of permissiveness and enjoying looking at non-mahram women all lead to indulging in this and similar things, with no knowledge and paying no attention to the dangers that it leads to. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

Say (O Muhammad): (But) the things that my Lord has indeed forbidden are Al-Fawaahish (great evil sins and every kind of unlawful sexual intercourse) whether committed openly or secretly, sins (of all kinds), unrighteous oppression, joining partners (in worship) with Allaah for which He has given no authority, and saying things about Allaah of which you have no knowledge

[al-Araaf 7:33]

and follow not the footsteps of Shaytaan (Satan). Verily, he is to you an open enemy

[al-Baqarah 2:168]

And the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: I am not leaving behind me any fitnah more harmful to men than women.

It was narrated that Hudhayfah ibn al-Yamaan (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: The people used to ask the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) about good things, but I used to ask him about bad things, fearing that I would live to see such things. I said, O Messenger of Allaah, we were in a state of ignorance (jaahiliyyah) and evil, then Allaah sent us this good (i.e., Islam). Will there be any evil after this good? He said, Yes. I said, Will there by any good after that evil? He said, Yes, but it will be tainted. I said, How will it be tainted? He said, (There will be) some people who will guide others in a way that is not according to my guidance. You will approve of some of their deeds and disapprove of others. I said, Will there be any evil after that good? He said, Yes, there will be people calling at the gates of Hell, and whoever responds to their call, they will throw them into it (the Fire). I said, O Messenger of Allaah, describe them to us. He said, They will be from among our people, speaking our language. I said, What do you command me to do if I live to see such a thing? He said, Adhere to the jamaaah (group, community) of the Muslims and their imaam (leader). I asked, What if there is no jamaaah and no leader? He said, Then keep away from all those groups, even if you have to bite (eat) the roots of a tree until death overtakes you whilst you are in that state. Agreed upon.

I call upon every Muslim to fear Allaah in all that he says and does and to beware of fitnah and those who promote it. He should keep away from all that angers Allaah or leads to His wrath, and he should be extremely cautious lest he be one of these callers to Hell of whom the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) tells us in this hadeeth.

May Allaah protect us from the evil of fitnah and its people, and protect this ummah from the evil of those who promote bad things. May He help the writers of our newspapers and all the Muslims to do that which pleases Him and may He set the Muslims straight and save them in this world and in the Hereafter, for He is Able to do that.

Majmoo Fataawa al-Shaykh Ibn Baaz, 3/351-353.

Shaykh Ibn Uthaymeen was asked: I hope you can explain the ruling on women driving cars. And what is your opinion on the idea that women driving cars is less dangerous than their riding with non-mahram drivers?

The answer to this question is based on two principles which are well known among the Muslim scholars:

The first principle is: that whatever leads to haraam is itself haraam. The evidence for this is the verse in which Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

And insult not those whom they (disbelievers) worship besides Allaah, lest they insult Allaah wrongfully without knowledge

[al-Anaam 6:108]

So Allaah forbids insulting the gods of the mushrikeen even though that serves an interest because it leads to insults against Allaah.

The second principle is: that warding off evil if it is equal to or greater than the interests concerned takes precedence over bringing benefits. The evidence for that is the verse in which Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

They ask you (O Muhammad) concerning alcoholic drink and gambling. Say: In them is a great sin, and (some) benefits for men, but the sin of them is greater than their benefit

[al-Baqarah 2:219]

Allaah has forbidden alcohol and gambling even though there is some benefit in them, so as to ward off the evils that result from them.

Based on these two principles, the ruling on women driving should be clear, because women driving includes a number of evils, including the following:

1 Removal of hijab, because driving a car involves uncovering the face which is the site of fitnah and attracts the glance of men. A woman is only regarded as beautiful or ugly on the basis of her face, i.e., if it is said that she is beautiful or ugly, people only think in terms of her face. If something else is meant it must be specified, so that one would say that she has beautiful hands or beautiful hair or beautiful feet. Hence it is known that the face is the focal point. If someone were to say that a woman can drive a car without taking off her hijab, by covering her face and wearing dark glasses over her eyes, the answer to that is that this is not what really happens when women drive cars. Ask those who have seen them in other countries. Even if we assume that this could be applied initially, it would not last for long, rather the situation would soon become as it is in other countries where women drive. This is how things usually develop; they start out in an acceptable fashion then they get worse.

2 Another evil consequence of women driving cars is that they lose their modesty, and modesty is part of faith as is narrated in a saheeh report from the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). Modesty is the noble characteristic that befits the nature of women and protects them from being exposed to fitnah. Hence it is mentioned in a metaphorical sense (in Arabic), in the phrase more modest than a virgin in her seclusion. Once a womans modesty is lost, do not ask about her.

3 It also leads to women going out of the house a great deal, but their homes are better for them as the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said because those who love to drive enjoy it very much, hence you see them driving around in their cars here and there for no purpose, except to enjoy driving.

4 You may find a divorced woman going where she wants, whenever she wants and however she wants, for whatever purpose she wants, because she is alone in her car, at any time she wants of the day or night. She may stay out until late at night. If people are complaining about this with regard to young men, then what about young women, going all over the place the length and breadth of the country, and maybe even beyond its borders.

5 It is a means of women rebelling against their families and husbands; at the least provocation they may go out of the house and drive in the car to wherever they think they can get some peace, as happens in the case of some young men, who are able to put up with more than women.

6 It is a cause of fitnah in many places: when stopping at the traffic lights, or at gas stations, or at inspection points, or when stopped by policemen at the scenes of traffic infractions or accidents, or if the car stalls and the woman needs help. What will her situation be in this case? Perhaps she may come across an immoral man who takes advantage of her in return for helping her, especially if her need is great to the point of urgency.

7 When women drive it leads to overcrowding in the streets, or it deprives some young men of the opportunity to drive cars when they are more deserving of that.

8 It causes fitnah to flourish because women by their nature like to make themselves look good with clothing etc. Do you not see how attached they are to fashion? Every time a new fashion appears they throw away what they have and rush to buy the new things, even if it is worse than what they have. Do you not see the adornments that they hang on their walls? In the same way or perhaps more so with the cars that they drive, whenever a new model appears they will give up the first for the new one.

With regard to the questioner asking, And what is your opinion on the idea that women driving cars is less dangerous than their riding with non-mahram drivers? what I think is that both of them involve danger, and one is more serious than the other in some ways, but there is no necessity that would require one to do either of them.

Please note that I have answered this question at length because of the controversy that surrounds the issue of women driving cars, and the pressure faced by conservative Saudi society, which is striving to adhere to its religious commitment and morals, to allow women to drive cars.

This would be nothing strange if it were to come from an enemy who seeks to cause harm this land which is the last bastion of Islam that the enemies of Islam wish to penetrate. But what is even stranger is that this is coming from our own people who speak our language and live under our banner, people who are dazzled by what the kaafir nations have of material advancement and admire their ways which are devoid of any moral restrictions.

End quote from Shaykh Ibn Uthaymeen.

With regard to countries in which woman are allowed to drive cars, Muslim women should avoid that as much as possible, for the reasons mentioned above.

In cases of necessity, such as helping accident victims or fleeing from a criminal, there is nothing wrong with a Muslim woman using a car in such situations, if she cannot find a man to help her.

There are other cases, such as women who have to go out to work and have no husband, father or guardian to look after them and no income from the government to meet their needs, and they cannot find work that they can do at home, such as some internet-based jobs, so they are forced to go out. In that case they can use the means of transportation that poses the least danger to them.

There may be some means of transportation that are available only to women, or a group of women may hire a driver to take them to work or university. Using taxis for those who can afford it may be better than using public transportation where a woman may be exposed to humiliation and aggression, so they should use taxis, so long as they are not alone with the driver.

If a woman is forced to drive a car in cases of extreme need, then she should drive wearing full jilbaab and hijab, and with fear of Allaah.

We have already mentioned above what constitutes need.

Women should also seek fatwas from the trustworthy scholars in their own countries not those who are too lenient who understand both shareeah and the situation in that country.

And Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

So keep your duty to Allaah and fear Him as much as you can

[al-Taghaabun 64:16]

As-Salaam Alaikum,

I just to say to sister Niqabi that I drive usually by myself and I have a couple a questions regarding this fatwa.  I think people already ask similar questions but I didn't see a answer from you.  So I am asking

2 Another evil consequence of women driving cars is that they lose their modesty, and modesty is part of faith as is narrated in a saheeh report from the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). Modesty is the noble characteristic that befits the nature of women and protects them from being exposed to fitnah. Hence it is mentioned in a metaphorical sense (in Arabic), in the phrase more modest than a virgin in her seclusion. Once a womans modesty is lost, do not ask about her.

I would like to understand how I am not modest anymore because I drive my own car?

5 It is a means of women rebelling against their families and husbands; at the least provocation they may go out of the house and drive in the car to wherever they think they can get some peace, as happens in the case of some young men, who are able to put up with more than women.

I am also married and I would like understand how am I rebelling against my husband by driving.  What is wrong with doing things out side of the home to relieve stress in your life?  For me, I like going to my aerobics class.  Soon I plan to start doing Martial Arts again, and Tai Chi.  Last week I went to a Health Fair, and went to see a play with my mother.  Was I wrong for doing these things?

7 When women drive it leads to overcrowding in the streets, or it deprives some young men of the opportunity to drive cars when they are more deserving of that.

How does women driving deprive young men from driving?  How does it lead to overcrowding when some people can't afford to by a car?

6 It is a cause of fitnah in many places: when stopping at the traffic lights, or at gas stations, or at inspection points, or when stopped by policemen at the scenes of traffic infractions or accidents, or if the car stalls and the woman needs help. What will her situation be in this case? Perhaps she may come across an immoral man who takes advantage of her in return for helping her, especially if her need is great to the point of urgency.

I am really confused regarding the first part.  Since I am driving how I am committing fitnah by stopping at a traffic light, or at a gas station.  I am confused.

8 It causes fitnah to flourish because women by their nature like to make themselves look good with clothing etc. Do you not see how attached they are to fashion? Every time a new fashion appears they throw away what they have and rush to buy the new things, even if it is worse than what they have. Do you not see the adornments that they hang on their walls? In the same way or perhaps more so with the cars that they drive, whenever a new model appears they will give up the first for the new one.

Aren't men the same way with there "boy toys."  Do men sometimes buy cars to look good in front of everybody.  Do men do things to get attention sometimes too.  The brothers can also answer this question.

Sister Niqabi, Do you think I should give up my plans on becoming a doctor since I am female.  Since I already lost my modesty because I drive I guess I have stop driving.  My husband is going to be a very tired man. 

Hakeema 

 

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Quote USA-NIQAABI Replybullet Posted: 16 March 2007 at 4:44am

Assalamu'Alaikum Hakeema,

I can't tell you how you should live your life it's not my responsibility. I merely posted a response to this thread with supporting evidence on rulings, and from the Quran and Sunnah. If you have evidences supporting your opinion to this thread than please post them they are welcomed. The purpose of IC is to contribute by posting information about whatever topic interests you and supporting it with evidence along with our personal views in respect to the subject.

I think you might have a very hard time finding supporting evidence that muslimahs have openly been instructed that their homes are not the best place for them and that they should leave them whenever they wish without great urgency but if you do please post it.

With respect to the word necesity or urgency my personal interpretation and that of my families is that it means that I've exhausted all other means of resolving the issue and have no other option but to leave my home and conduct my business without my husband or mahram to accompany me. Just remember that interpretation is something that we all must do but to avoid the gray areas of interpretation because there is Hadith that strictly tells us that whenever you find yourself in a gray area of making a choice to completly avoid it and that is the best of decisions to make.

MasSalaama...Jummah Mubarak

Allaah commanded the wives of the Prophet and the believing women to stay in their houses, to observe hijab and to avoid showing their adornments to non-mahrams because of the permissiveness that all these things lead to, which spells doom for society. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

And stay in your houses, and do not display yourselves like that of the times of ignorance, and perform As-Salaah (Iqamat-as-Salaah), and give Zakaah and obey Allaah and His Messenger. Allaah wishes only to remove Ar-Rijs (evil deeds and sins) from you, O members of the family (of the Prophet), and to purify you with a thorough purification

[al-Ahzaab 33:33]

O Prophet! Tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to draw their cloaks (veils) all over their bodies (i.e. screen themselves completely except the eyes or one eye to see the way). That will be better, that they should be known (as free respectable women) so as not to be annoyed

[al-Ahzaab 33:59]

And tell the believing women to lower their gaze (from looking at forbidden things), and protect their private parts (from illegal sexual acts) and not to show off their adornment except only that which is apparent (like both eyes for necessity to see the way, or outer palms of hands or one eye or dress like veil, gloves, headcover, apron), and to draw their veils all over Juyoobihinna (i.e. their bodies, faces, necks and bosoms) and not to reveal their adornment except to their husbands, or their fathers, or their husbands fathers, or their sons, or their husbands sons, or their brothers or their brothers sons, or their sisters sons, or their (Muslim) women (i.e. their sisters in Islam), or the (female) slaves whom their right hands possess, or old male servants who lack vigour, or small children who have no sense of feminine sex. And let them not stamp their feet so as to reveal what they hide of their adornment. And all of you beg Allaah to forgive you all, O believers, that you may be successful

[al-Noor 24:31]

And the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: No man is alone with a (non-mahram) woman but the Shaytaan is the third one present.

It was narrated that Hudhayfah ibn al-Yamaan (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: The people used to ask the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) about good things, but I used to ask him about bad things, fearing that I would live to see such things. I said, O Messenger of Allaah, we were in a state of ignorance (jaahiliyyah) and evil, then Allaah sent us this good (i.e., Islam). Will there be any evil after this good? He said, Yes. I said, Will there by any good after that evil? He said, Yes, but it will be tainted. I said, How will it be tainted? He said, (There will be) some people who will guide others in a way that is not according to my guidance. You will approve of some of their deeds and disapprove of others. I said, Will there be any evil after that good? He said, Yes, there will be people calling at the gates of Hell, and whoever responds to their call, they will throw them into it (the Fire). I said, O Messenger of Allaah, describe them to us. He said, They will be from among our people, speaking our language. I said, What do you command me to do if I live to see such a thing? He said, Adhere to the jamaaah (group, community) of the Muslims and their imaam (leader). I asked, What if there is no jamaaah and no leader? He said, Then keep away from all those groups, even if you have to bite (eat) the roots of a tree until death overtakes you whilst you are in that state. Agreed upon.

 So keep your duty to Allaah and fear Him as much as you can

[al-Taghaabun 64:16]

 

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Quote Shery Replybullet Posted: 16 March 2007 at 4:53am

Woman should learn everything .. driving , shooting

If a iraqi woman were well trainned they would be able to protect themselves more than now ...

Prophet mohamed told us to teach our children everything

He didnt say teach your boys and not girls

Tough nation Need strong woman to raise her children in a proper way physically and mentaly ...

And weak woman cant even take care of her children on the right way

What if her husband die ? who would drive her and her children ?

What if She cant afford a driver ? what if the driver is a sick man and flirt the woman ?

Not every woman can afford a driver and not every driver has morals to take care of those woman in a right way ..

Woman is a very important element in the entire world

I m not with she should work as man and be a judge etc..

but even if she is a simple woman who raise her children and take care of her husband why not she would have another skills that would protect her from any kind of threat ?

Why would must wait till some1 else protect her ? and save her ?

sometimes The gun is the most loyal friend In our cruel world .

Again if woman in sudan , iraq , afghanistan were able to drive , shoot .. everything .. they would be a good warrior and would have the ability to defend themselves at least they would die with honor instead of living wish shame for being raped 70 times per day by those animals .









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Quote Hayfa Replybullet Posted: 16 March 2007 at 8:19am

Men have their share of what in what they have earned and women have their share in what they have learned (4:82)

yes shery.. agree helplessness is not a good trait. Women are supposed to guards the home when the men are away. How should they do that if they don't know how.

I recently read a biography by the scholar Tariq Ramadan and he pointed out that some women fought in battle and the Prophet (PBUH) praised them.  I shall try and finf the reference.  Not sure they were fighting with only one eye..

 

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Story of a Muslim Woman Warior:

One of the most distinguished women who took part in the battle of Uhud, if not the most distinguished of them, was Nasibah bint Ka'b al-Maziniyyah, Umm 'Umarah (May Allah be pleased with her). At the beginning of the battle, she was bringing water and tending the wounded, as the other women were doing. When the battle was going in the favour of the Muslims, the archers disobeyed the command of the Prophet (SAW), and this turned the victory into defeat, as the Qur'an described it:

"Behold! You were climbing up the high ground, without even casting a side glance at anyone, and the Messenger in your rear was calling you back..." 3:153

At this point, Nasibah went forward, with her sword unsheathed and her bow in her hand, to join the small group who were standing firm with the Prophet (SAW), acting as a human shield to protect him from the arrows of the mushrikin. Every time danger approached the Prophet (SAW) she hastened to protect him. The Messenger of ALlah (SAW) noticed this, and later said, "Wherever I turned, to the left or the right, I saw her fighting for me."

Her son 'Umarah also described what happened on that tremendous day: "On that day, I was wounded in my left hand. A man who seemed to be as tall as a palm-tree struck me, then went away without pursuing me to finish me off. The blood began to flow copiously, so the Messenger of Allah (SAW) told me, 'Bind up your wound.' My mother came to me, and she was wearing a waist-wrapper, which she had brought, for the purpose of wrapping wounds. She dressed my wound, whilst the Prophet (SAW) was looking on. Then she told me, 'Get up, my son, and fight the people.' The Prophet (SAW) said, 'Who could bear what you are putting up with, O Umm 'Umarah?' She said: The man who had struck my son came by, and the Messenger of ALlah (SAW) said, 'This is the one who struck your son.' I intercepted him and hit him in the thigh, and he collapsed. I saw the Messenger of ALlah (SAW) smiling so broadly that I could see his back teeth. He said, 'You have taken your revenge, O Umm 'Umarah!' Then we struck him with our weapons until we killed him, and the Prophet (SAW) said: 'Praise be to Allah (SWT), who granted you victory over him, gave you the satisfaction of taking revenge on your enemy, and let you see the vengeance for yourself." On this day, Nasibah herself received many wounds whilst she was fighting the people and striking their chests. The Prophet (SAW) saw her, and called to her son, "Your mother! Your mother! See to her wounds, may Allah (SWT) bless you and your household! Your mother has fought better than so-and-so." When his mother heard what the Prophet (SAW) said, she said, "Pray to Allah (SWT) that we may accompany you in Paradise." He said, "O Allah (SWT), make them my companions in Paradise." She said, " I do not care what befalls me in this world." Umm 'Umarah's jihad was not confined to the battle of Uhud. She was also present on a number of other occasions, namely the treaty of 'Aqabah, Al-Hudaybiyah, Khaybar and Hunayn. Her heroic conduct at Hunayn was no less marvellous than her heroic conduct at Uhud. At the time of Abu Bakr's Khilafah, she was present at Al-Yamamah where she fought brilliantly and received eleven wounds as well as losing her hand. It is no surprise that the Prophet (SAW) gave her the good news that she would enter Paradise, and that she was later held in high esteem by the khalifah Abu Bakr Al-Siddiq and his commander Khalid ibn Al-Walid and then by 'Umar ibn al-Khattab (RA)!!!

You (Hayfa) may do some more reasearch on:

  • Khaibar & Umayyah bint Qais & the women of Banu Ghifaar 
  • The Yarmuk contingent 
  • Azdah bint al Harith: Heroine of Battle of Maisaan
  • The Black Knight: Khawlah Bint Al-Azwar
  • vAl-Aqabah
  • vThe Battle of Uhud
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