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Topic: Creation Versus Evolution
Posted: 06 March 2007 at 3:48pm

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http://youtube.com/watch?v=wr6uvUNJLww

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Posted: 06 March 2007 at 4:01pm

http://youtube.com/watch?v=2-omQxSWi3M&mode=related& search=

Christian scientist explains why evolution is false.

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Posted: 11 March 2007 at 4:03pm

Another interesting video : http://youtube.com/watch?v=GnNzh3bPFlA

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Posted: 11 April 2007 at 10:34pm

Are you serious about this? The world was not created 6000 years ago. Why are Muslims against evolution? Could it be possible that Allah created the world and all its creature through the process of evolution?

Aside from the religious view, you must consider that the proofs of evolution are great. A high school science teacher is hardly qualified to refute what thousands of geneticists and biologists believe to be the unifying theory of how life developed on our planet. If that man ever spoke at a University, he'd be laughed at. Unless it was one of those dumb christian universities in the southern united states.

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Posted: 15 April 2007 at 6:58am

Bi ismilahir rahmanir raheem

I would like to know how on earth a scientist, biologists or whatever can comment on a field they are unqualified in and still have there opinion be called expert?

The nature of God is the field of theology not biollogy or genetics, they should be ridiculed for talking about a field they are not qualified in.

Rasul Allah (sallah llahu alaihi wa sallam) said: "Whoever knows himself, knows his Lord" and whoever knows his Lord has been given His gnosis and nearness.

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Posted: 15 April 2007 at 8:29am

Originally posted by Megatron

Bismillah and Salaams,

Al-Bari' means? The Evolver. Allah, The All-Knowing, created the earth and all that lives on it. Did he do it through evolution? The Holy Quran says that Adam was made from clay and Eve, Howa, from his side.

However, we don't have the timetable to limit us as the Christians who believe in the literal Bible do. And we know that Allah, the Wise, has created a creation which does evolve. Scientists, people who observe things over time, have written such changes down. Indeed, geneticists seek to make modifications to improve our genetic structure, thus evolving us more.

Where is this denied in the Blessed Quran? I haven't seen it anywhere. Science is from Allah, who is the Evolver, and the more we seek to understand, the closer we will be to Allah, The Creator.

Al-Hamdulillah (From a Married Muslimah) La Howla Wa La Quwata Illa BiLLah - There is no Effort or Power except with Allah's Will.

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Posted: 15 April 2007 at 9:39am

Originally posted by herjihad

Originally posted by Megatron

Bismillah and Salaams,

Where is this denied in the Blessed Quran? I haven't seen it anywhere. Science is from Allah, who is the Evolver, and the more we seek to understand, the closer we will be to Allah, The Creator.

So you mean we are more evolved than Adam (peace be upon him) and Ibrahim (pbuh) and Mohammad (pbuh) ??? Because they lived a long time ago and so if Evolution is true it would mean that the corrupt societies of today are more "evolved" than the religious people and Prophets of the past.

The Truth however is that Evolution has NOT been scientifically proven and if you watch the 3 videos I've posted above you will understand.

I also recommend you to read EVOLUTION DECIET by Harun Yahya which not only disproves the THEORY of evolution it also explains WHY most "scientists" and Governments and media are trying to spread this theory (they are Freemasons and Darwin himself was the Grandson of a Freemason and Freemasons want to revive Pre-Christian Paganism).

The only truth in the theory is that Apes are linked to Human beings but they did Not evolve into Human beings, but some humans DEVOLVED into Apes and swine.

Say: Shall I inform you of (him who is) worse than this in retribution from Allah? Those whom Allah has cursed and brought His wrath upon, and of whom He made apes and swine, and he who served Satan; these are worse in place and more erring from the straight path. (Qur'an Surah 5 verse 60 )

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Posted: 15 April 2007 at 5:44pm

Bi ismillahir rahmanir raheem

Assalamu alaikum Herjihad,

DNA has all the information and genetic material about a person or animal in it. It tells us if we will have black hair two arms legs walk upright or crawl and anything else we could possibly be or become.

For something to evolve into something else it must have this information in its DNA otherwise it wont grow longer legs stop crawling or start flying this is a scientific fact. So where is this new genetic information being added to the DNA from, well scientist being the Great theologians they are invented this thing called natural selection which they themselves admit can not be proven scientifically just like they cant prove the existance of God scientificaly ie by observation.

Now i ask you HOW have scientist observed new genetic material absolutely foreign to a creature being added to its DNA and how have they proven a theological argument when they are not Qualified in this field.

They havnt they arrived at both by conclusion not observation and this is a scientific fact and the reason why evolution is still a theory only.

This whole theory is similar to when the majority of Christians believed the earth was flat becouse they where told it was people believe in evolution becouse they are told to believe in it when the reality is it is just a theory that is being taught well beffore it is proven.

If scientist can empirically prove evolution no one would argue against them but they havnt they have simply concluded on the matter to fill in gaps with there understanding.

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Rasul Allah (sallah llahu alaihi wa sallam) said: "Whoever knows himself, knows his Lord" and whoever knows his Lord has been given His gnosis and nearness.

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Sawtul Khilafah Senior Member Joined: 20 July 2006 Location: Peru Online Status: Offline Posts: 623	Topic: Creation Versus Evolution Posted: 06 March 2007 at 3:48pm
	Intresting debate: http://youtube.com/watch?v=wr6uvUNJLww
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Sawtul Khilafah Senior Member Joined: 20 July 2006 Location: Peru Online Status: Offline Posts: 623	Posted: 06 March 2007 at 4:01pm
	http://youtube.com/watch?v=2-omQxSWi3M&mode=related& search= Christian scientist explains why evolution is false.
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Sawtul Khilafah Senior Member Joined: 20 July 2006 Location: Peru Online Status: Offline Posts: 623	Posted: 11 March 2007 at 4:03pm
	Another interesting video : http://youtube.com/watch?v=GnNzh3bPFlA Edited by Sawtul Khilafah
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Megatron Senior Member Joined: 26 December 2001 Online Status: Offline Posts: 279	Posted: 11 April 2007 at 10:34pm
	Are you serious about this? The world was not created 6000 years ago. Why are Muslims against evolution? Could it be possible that Allah created the world and all its creature through the process of evolution? Aside from the religious view, you must consider that the proofs of evolution are great. A high school science teacher is hardly qualified to refute what thousands of geneticists and biologists believe to be the unifying theory of how life developed on our planet. If that man ever spoke at a University, he'd be laughed at. Unless it was one of those dumb christian universities in the southern united states.
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rami Male Islam Senior Member Senior Member Joined: 01 March 2000 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2550	Posted: 15 April 2007 at 6:58am
	Bi ismilahir rahmanir raheem I would like to know how on earth a scientist, biologists or whatever can comment on a field they are unqualified in and still have there opinion be called expert? The nature of God is the field of theology not biollogy or genetics, they should be ridiculed for talking about a field they are not qualified in.
	Rasul Allah (sallah llahu alaihi wa sallam) said: "Whoever knows himself, knows his Lord" and whoever knows his Lord has been given His gnosis and nearness.
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herjihad Senior Member Joined: 26 January 2005 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 2473	Posted: 15 April 2007 at 8:29am
	*Originally posted by Megatron* Are you serious about this? The world was not created 6000 years ago. Why are Muslims against evolution? Could it be possible that Allah created the world and all its creature through the process of evolution? Aside from the religious view, you must consider that the proofs of evolution are great. A high school science teacher is hardly qualified to refute what thousands of geneticists and biologists believe to be the unifying theory of how life developed on our planet. If that man ever spoke at a University, he'd be laughed at. Unless it was one of those dumb christian universities in the southern united states. Bismillah and Salaams, Al-Bari' means? The Evolver. Allah, The All-Knowing, created the earth and all that lives on it. Did he do it through evolution? The Holy Quran says that Adam was made from clay and Eve, Howa, from his side. However, we don't have the timetable to limit us as the Christians who believe in the literal Bible do. And we know that Allah, the Wise, has created a creation which does evolve. Scientists, people who observe things over time, have written such changes down. Indeed, geneticists seek to make modifications to improve our genetic structure, thus evolving us more. Where is this denied in the Blessed Quran? I haven't seen it anywhere. Science is from Allah, who is the Evolver, and the more we seek to understand, the closer we will be to Allah, The Creator.
	Al-Hamdulillah (From a Married Muslimah) La Howla Wa La Quwata Illa BiLLah - There is no Effort or Power except with Allah's Will.
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Sawtul Khilafah Senior Member Joined: 20 July 2006 Location: Peru Online Status: Offline Posts: 623	Posted: 15 April 2007 at 9:39am
	*Originally posted by herjihad* *Originally posted by Megatron* Are you serious about this? The world was not created 6000 years ago. Why are Muslims against evolution? Could it be possible that Allah created the world and all its creature through the process of evolution? Aside from the religious view, you must consider that the proofs of evolution are great. A high school science teacher is hardly qualified to refute what thousands of geneticists and biologists believe to be the unifying theory of how life developed on our planet. If that man ever spoke at a University, he'd be laughed at. Unless it was one of those dumb christian universities in the southern united states. Bismillah and Salaams, Al-Bari' means? The Evolver. Allah, The All-Knowing, created the earth and all that lives on it. Did he do it through evolution? The Holy Quran says that Adam was made from clay and Eve, Howa, from his side. However, we don't have the timetable to limit us as the Christians who believe in the literal Bible do. And we know that Allah, the Wise, has created a creation which does evolve. Scientists, people who observe things over time, have written such changes down. Indeed, geneticists seek to make modifications to improve our genetic structure, thus evolving us more. Where is this denied in the Blessed Quran? I haven't seen it anywhere. Science is from Allah, who is the Evolver, and the more we seek to understand, the closer we will be to Allah, The Creator. So you mean we are more evolved than Adam (peace be upon him) and Ibrahim (pbuh) and Mohammad (pbuh) ??? Because they lived a long time ago and so if Evolution is true it would mean that the corrupt societies of today are more "evolved" than the religious people and Prophets of the past. The Truth however is that Evolution has NOT been scientifically proven and if you watch the 3 videos I've posted above you will understand. I also recommend you to read EVOLUTION DECIET by Harun Yahya which not only disproves the THEORY of evolution it also explains WHY most "scientists" and Governments and media are trying to spread this theory (they are Freemasons and Darwin himself was the Grandson of a Freemason and Freemasons want to revive Pre-Christian Paganism). The only truth in the theory is that Apes are linked to Human beings but they did Not evolve into Human beings, but some humans DEVOLVED into Apes and swine. Say: Shall I inform you of (him who is) worse than this in retribution from Allah? Those whom Allah has cursed and brought His wrath upon, and of whom He made apes and swine, and he who served Satan; these are worse in place and more erring from the straight path. (Qur'an Surah 5 verse 60 )
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rami Male Islam Senior Member Senior Member Joined: 01 March 2000 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2550	Posted: 15 April 2007 at 5:44pm
	Bi ismillahir rahmanir raheem Assalamu alaikum Herjihad, DNA has all the information and genetic material about a person or animal in it. It tells us if we will have black hair two arms legs walk upright or crawl and anything else we could possibly be or become. For something to evolve into something else it must have this information in its DNA otherwise it wont grow longer legs stop crawling or start flying this is a scientific fact. So where is this new genetic information being added to the DNA from, well scientist being the Great theologians they are invented this thing called natural selection which they themselves admit can not be proven scientifically just like they cant prove the existance of God scientificaly ie by observation. Now i ask you HOW have scientist observed new genetic material absolutely foreign to a creature being added to its DNA and how have they proven a theological argument when they are not Qualified in this field. They havnt they arrived at both by conclusion not observation and this is a scientific fact and the reason why evolution is still a theory only. This whole theory is similar to when the majority of Christians believed the earth was flat becouse they where told it was people believe in evolution becouse they are told to believe in it when the reality is it is just a theory that is being taught well beffore it is proven. If scientist can empirically prove evolution no one would argue against them but they havnt they have simply concluded on the matter to fill in gaps with there understanding. Edited by rami
	Rasul Allah (sallah llahu alaihi wa sallam) said: "Whoever knows himself, knows his Lord" and whoever knows his Lord has been given His gnosis and nearness.
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