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Real Islam has a common link to the Jews….
"The Koran announces a reestablishment of the House of Israel in the Land… and Allah said to the children of Israel: dwell securely in the Promised land…"
A comparative analysis of Koranic and Torah sources reveals an agreement on the point that the link existing between the children of Israel and the Land of Canaan depends directly on God Almighty’s will, toward which we are asked to submit to Allah constituted the offspring of Jacob as heirs off the promised land. From King Feisal of Iraq to King Abdullah I of Trans-Jordan, many Islamic voices that had been pro-Jewish were silenced and the irrational hostility toward Zionism was introduced. Being against Jewish sovereignty over Palestine is denying the history of revelation and prophecy. The head of an Islamic council of scholars, Sheikh Abdul Palazzi, continues in this vein and notes that the Koran announces a reestablishment of the House of Israel in the Land before the last judgment, where is says: “and therefore we (Allah) said to the children of Israel, Dwell securely in the Promised land.” And when the last warning will come to pass, we will gather you together in a mingled crowd.” (Koran 17-105)

Remember when Moses said to his people, “Oh my people, remember the presents that G-d gave to you when he appointed prophets from among you, and made you kings, and gave to you what he had never given to anyone else in the world (a clearly mapped out homeland in Israel). Enter then my people the holy land that God has commanded for you.” Again, in the sections called Hobbling 15; Cow 44-116; Smoke 30, the Koran recognizes the particularity of Israel, with its unparalleled gifts, including the Promised Land. In the section called Table-23, the Koran insists that the Holy Land was given to Israel. In the section called Jonah 93, the Koran states that Allah settled the Jews there and in the section Cow 60,247, even rebukes Israel for not fighting hard enough for Her land.

Islam on Judaism…."The Koran recognizes the teachings of Jewish prophets and… the continued validity of the Torah…" The Koran, in section Table 48, recognizes the teachings of the Jewish prophets and even the validity of later sages and Rabbis. Other parts of the Koran recognize David’s kingdom and his Psalms, and he is confirmed as divine viceroy and judge on earth (Zad 19,25;Cow 252). Abraham is called a true Muslim as are the prophets (who are also Rabbis), even though they kept the Sabbath and prayed in the direction of Jerusalem. (Kings I, 8: 30-42). ( Koranic sources include Imram 60, Pilgrimage 77 Cattle 162, Table 48, Cow 140 and 143, Greeks 5, Hobbling 31, Believers 76. )

Interestingly, just as Bahai, Christian etc... sources rely on Hebrew scriptures, so does the Koran, and specifically, it speaks of Israel’s return to the land and to the holy city Jerusalem. (Bani Israel 8, 105). The Koran also demands that faithful Muslims help the Jews and their return to Zion. Finally, the Koran insists that there is continued validity to the book of the Jews (Jonah 38, Bee 45, 47, Cow 172, Table 52, Believers 56, etc). There are several sources in the Koran that recognize that there exist different religious rituals to reach God; especially the significance of good deeds, and the importance to God of love and forgiveness. (Sura 49, Inner rooms 13, Sura 109, The Heretics 6, Sura 5, Table 48, Sura 9-29, Sura Elchajrath 13-49.).



 

Another interesting fact, not known to many is that opting for Ishmael over Isaac satisfied the political need to assert Arab preeminence in the Muslim world. Substituting Ishmael at the binding of Isaac likewise satisfies a desire to negate the centrality of Jewish figures like Moses etc. By the way, Moses is the individual most cited in the Koran. The great orthodox Muslim scholar, Ata’ Ibn As-Sa’ib, finally concluded after a lifetime of research that the sacrifice was indeed Isaac!!!! Other classic texts such as Ibn El-Arabi’s Illuminations of Mecca (12 th century) which shows the importance of coexistence are suffocated by modern twisted Islam.

A Muslim cleric once said, “Ibrahim was granted Isaac with a divine promise, that Isaac would be granted Jacob…” (Abraham-Passia, page 42) Also is cited in the Koran: “When he had turned away from them and from those whom they worshipped besides God, we bestowed upon him Isaac and Jacob, and each one of them became a prophet. (Koran 19-49) Furthermore, the Koran states that these two were gifts granted to Abraham. “And we bestowed upon him Isaac, and as an additional gift, (a grandson): Jacob. And we made righteous men of every one of them.” (Koran 21-72).

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Quote Seif Replybullet Posted: 08 February 2007 at 2:32pm
No need to shout
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Quote Dalandau Replybullet Posted: 08 February 2007 at 2:39pm
Actually i didnt mean to write that big sorry! But yes there is need to shout we are brothers fighting because of christian pagan influence(yes christians have been transformed in to pagans with the wrewriting of the bible by roman emperor constantine the same romans that destroyd the temple of ONE GOD(HASHEM,Allah)Same god of abraham moses
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Quote Dalandau Replybullet Posted: 08 February 2007 at 2:41pm

The Koran describes Solomon's construction of the First Temple (34:13) and recounts the destruction of the First and Second Temples(17:7).The Jewish connection to the Temple Mount dates back more than 3,000 years and is rooted in tradition and history.When Abraham bound his son, Isaac,upon an altar as a sacrifice to God,he did so atop Mount Moriah, today's Temple Mount.When Muhammad,fled Mecca to Medina in 622(the Hijrah),the inhabitants welcomed him.Medina had been developed centuries earlier as a thriving date palm oasis by Jews fleeing the Roman assault(the banu-Qurayzah and banu-al-Nadir tribes, etc.),and its mixed population of Jews and pagan Arabs had thus become conditioned for a native prophet speaking the word of G-d.Muhammad learned much from the Jews.During his long sojourn with the Jews of Medina,his followers were instructed to pray towards Jerusalem.Early prominent Arab historians such as Jalaluddin stated that this was done primarily to support Jews
...,The temple was destroyed by the Roman pagans who are forefathers of the christians(they are not monotheistic first rule dont make idols).The reason there is no peace is that today those pagans know that they couldnt have their prosperity if there would be a united muslim/jewish middle east (divide and quonquer)!MOst important is that we are brothers and we should work together to rebuild the home of god. Thank u for keaping jerusalem pagan free for 1300 years

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Quote Seif Replybullet Posted: 08 February 2007 at 2:58pm

 

Yes, I agree.  If we both worship the one true almighty God, then we should find a way to live in peace.  We do believe in the God of Abraham (Pbuh) and you certainly have done your home work research wise. You have my respect.

The problem lies not in the realm of theology, the problem is that the Jews took peoples land and houses and have placed them in conditions that created such despair that it is better to blow yourself to bits, maybe taking out a Zionist, maybe not, than to continue living.  It is sad, all the way around to see how the Palestinians are being treated.  For some reason people don't like having their property confiscated by what they see as an occupying force.

I don't have the answers, but of course I will always side with my brothers and sisters.  My bias is admitted.

 



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Quote Dalandau Replybullet Posted: 08 February 2007 at 3:16pm
The previous mufti of Jerusalem prior to 1920 was actually pro zionism
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Quote Seif Replybullet Posted: 08 February 2007 at 3:27pm
 Yeah, I am going to read all that.
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Quote Dalandau Replybullet Posted: 08 February 2007 at 3:41pm

Its all british incitement

Ziff's book (which was published first in l938 but probably took three or four years of research to write) documents how the British "created" the opposition to Zionism and that up until these so-called "radical Arab leaders" came into the picture, most Arab residents of Palestine wanted nothing more than to live in peace and prosperity with the Jews which they believed was their good fortune.

"The Moslem religious leaders, the Mufti, was openly friendly. Throughout Arabia, the chiefs were for the most part distinctly pro- Zionist: and in Palestine the peasantry were delighted at every prospect of Jewish settlement near their villages. Commercial intercourse between Arab and Jew was constant and steady." pp.13

"The Arab National Movement was hated by the huge Levantine population who continued to regard themselves simply as Ottoman subjects, looked to the strong, influential Zionist Organization for sympathy and assistance."

"Hussein of the Hejaz looked to the Zionists for the financial and scientific experience of which the projected Arab state would standly badly in need. In May 1918, Dr. Chaim Weizmann and Hussein of the Hejaz met in Cairo where the latter spoke of mutual cooperation between Jews and Arabs in Palestine. In early l9l9 a Treaty of Friendship was signed to provide for "the closest possible collaboration in the development of the Arab state and the coming Jewish Commonwealth of Palestine. On March 3, l9l9, another Arab leader, Feisal, son of Sherif, wrote: "We wish the Jews a most hearty welcome home."

If Ziff's words are accurate, there was no Arab opposition to Jewish immigration to Palestine at least as far back as l919.

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