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Quote Sawtul Khilafah Replybullet Posted: 14 October 2007 at 4:15am

Originally posted by Tom123

 
   LOL!!! The Americans invaded Iraq to make Sadr look good- and the Israelis invaded Lebanon to help Hizbullah- BRILLIANT!!!!

   You should seriously consider publishing this in MAD magazine or some other similar source! The Mahdi Army is not 'pro-American' and the Hizbullah is not 'pro-Israeli'. The fact is Shia Muslim fighters have inflicted more casualties on Israeli and American invading forces in the Middle East than anyone else. Many Sunni armed groups (like Ansar Al Sunnah or Al Qaeda in Iraq) hate the Jaish Al Mahdi because they are Shias and they see the Shia as heretics.

   I am not btw a supporter of either the Mahdi Army or Hizbullah or Sunni Iraqi resistance groups, or the American and Iraqi puppet government forces they are battling (when they are not fighting each other).

I believe as a Christian that all war and violence today is against Christ's teachings and therefore I am opposed to it. So I am not 'defending' Sadr or Hizballah- like the people they are fighting they too have blood of the innocent on their hands.

   However, I believe that to accuse Hizballah or Jaish Al Mahdi of being pro-US or pro-Israeli governments is absurd.  

They only pretend to be against the US and Israel, I explained why here:

http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8924& ;PN=1&TPN=2

Originally posted by Sawtul Khilafah

 

As you may well know, the Western Governments have always been planning against Muslim countries, they created Israel and are now making war after war.

They knew very well that Muslims will want to fight back and they wont just sit there while all this was going on, so they came up with a very clever plan, which was to create forces around whom religious Muslims and those who want to do something about these wars would gather.

They knew that so long as they control the leaders of these groups/Governments, they would not Truely harm them in any way and would only carry out limited attacks and just use words and words and words the rest of the time to fool people into thinking that they are serious, while in reality these fakes would actually be helping the West and actually fighting against the real enemies of the Western occupation by simply accusing any real group that does not join them of being "agents of the west" or "agents of Israel".

However, this could only succeed through Shiism as it is they who believe in Taqlid (blinding obeying their scholars) so this plan could only work well on the Shiahs (also because Shiism is closely linked to western secret societies :  http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9460& ; ;PN=3)

Therefor, they first tried to portray Sunnis as pathetic, careless cowards and in order to do this they gave power to those in Sunni countries who were willing to openly obey the western Superpowers.

It was then that they created their fake Islamic Government in Iran and the so called "Hezbollah". Iran and "Hezbollah" have helped increase the popularity and conversion to Shiism and Iran has been publishing hundreds if not thousands of books propagating Shiism. In these books you will often see that they claim that Shiism is "heroic" while Sunnis are "Pathetic" and if anyone wants to be on the "heroes" side they would have to become Shiahs (the "victory" of "Hezbollah" in 1982 was meant to portray Shiism as just that - also Iran in 1979 became the only "Islamic fundementalist" country in the world, thus Shiism became the hope for those Muslims who cared about their Ummah.)

After 1982, the "Hezbollah" did very little (practically nothing) except propagate Shiism and promote themselves as the "heroic saviours of Islam", however after so many years it was required to once again remind people of the supposed "heorism" of the Shiah "Hezbollah" so then there was this recent war, the outcome of which I actually predicted during the early days of the war!!!

Here's the link: http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6007& ; ;PN=16&TPN=1

If you look at Sadr and "Hezbollah", one thing that they have in common is that they love "ceasefires" or "peace negotiations".

Now there is nothing wrong with making peace....but making peace in the middle of a war and while the occupation still continues simply does not make sense, but all FAKE groups do that. They first rise up and become popular, once enough people have joined and have become very famous they suddenly sit back and relax!!

On the other hand when you look at REAL resistance groups, such as the Chechen Mujahideen and the Sunni resistance groups in Iraq (examples: Ansar Sunnah, Tawhid wal-Jihad, Jayshal Islami fel Iraq) they continue to fight so long as there is war and occupation, killing thousands of enemy soldiers and themselves losing many of their men and leaders.

They continue to fight until they either win, or lose, something that imposters would not do because they dont want to win (they dont want to destroy their masters) and they dont want to lose (they are not willing to sacrifice their lives and obviously if they are destroyed the whole plan would be ruined).

Also read my post on this link (the long one with the picture, scroll down): http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6007& ; ;PN=16&TPN=12

 

Now as you may know, Iran supports, funds and arms both the "Mahdi army" and the "Hezbollah". Hasan Nasrollah leader of "Hezbollah" even said "We are Iran" (meaning they are a part of Iran).

Of course Iran also claims greatly to oppose the US and Israel and even calls the USA "The Great Satan"!

Now, if you think Im a "conspiracy theorist" read the following:

Or it could be said that the drama started in 1981, just after Reagan came into office, when U.S. officials learned that Israel was ignoring the 1979 American ban on the sale of arms to Iran. At the time Iran badly needed spare parts for the American-made weapons it had acquired during the Shah’s reign. In their hour of need the Iranians looked to Israel, which had also supplied weapons to the Shah.
The Israelis reportedly set up Swiss bank accounts to handle the financial end of the deals. Despite its embargo, the U.S. appeared to look the other way. Administration officials seemed interested in Israel’s notion that the arms sales would help foster ties with leaders in the Iranian military…
…In late August, Israel sent a planeload of arms to Iran. The cargo consisted mostly of Soviet-made weapons that the Israelis had captured in Lebanon…
In the fall of 1985 Iran was presumably making payments to Israel through the Swiss bank accounts set up to handle Israeli-Iranian arms sales in the early 1980s. At the same time, Israel was demanding that the U.S. replace the items that had been taken from Israeli stockpiles and sold to the Iranians. But Washington reportedly grew suspicious about the finances. In asking for fresh weapons, Israeli officials claimed that they could not pay full price, but Washington suspected that Iran was paying the Israeli dealers far more than the arms were actually worth. The U.S. urged Israeli officials to drop the arms merchants from the Iran deal and allow Jerusalem to take over the operation…
Israel sold Iran $12 million worth of weapons at a price that included a markup as high as 250%, or $42 million…

Source: TIME Magazine Article, (http://www.time.com/time/europe/tim...n/ir861208.html)
TIME Archives:
http://www.time.com/time/archive/pr...,963021,00.html
time-proxy.yaga.com/time/archive/preview/0,10987,963021,00.h tml
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Reagan would wait and disclose his intentions in private. So it was with the disputed decision in August 1985 to condone arms sales by Israel to Iran. “He called and said, ‘I think we ought to get on with that. Let’s go ahead with that,” McFarlane told the commission.
Source: MSNBC Article,
(http://msnbc.msn.com/id/5165237/site/newsweek/)
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The book “The Iran Contra Connection” discusses the relationship between Iran and Israel:
The Israeli Interest in Iran
… Though Israel, along with the United States, suffered a grievous loss with the fall of the Shah, its leaders concluded that lasting geo-political interests would eventually triumph over religious ideology and produce an accommodation between Tel Aviv and Tehran. The onset of the Iran-Iraq war in 1980 gave Israeli leaders a special incentive to keep their door open to the Islamic rulers in Iran: the two non-Arab countries now shared a common Arab enemy. As Israeli Defense Minister Ariel Sharon told the Washington Post in May 1982, justifying Israeli arms sales to Tehran, “…we hope that diplomatic relations between us and Iran will be renewed as in the past.” Four months later he told a Paris press conference, “Israel has a vital interest in the continuing of the war in the Persian Gulf, and in Iran’s victory.” Such views were not Sharon’s alone; Prime Ministers Itzhak Shamir (Likud) and Shimon Peres (Labor) shared them too…
The Arms Channel Opens
Israel lost no time supplying the new Khomeini regime with small quantities of arms, even after the seizure of the U.S. embassy. The first sales included spare parts for U.S.-made F-4 Phantom jets; a later deal in October 1980 included parts for U.S.-made tanks…
Notes Ha’aretz correspondent Yo’av Karny “The cloak of secrecy that surrounds Israeli arms exports is so tight that one can compare it to the technique for smuggling hard drugs.” When caught in the act, Israeli officials maintained they were simply selling domestic arms, not embargoed U.S. weapons. “Whenever we would get word of shipments,” one American official explained, “the State Department would raise the issue with Israel, and we would get the standard lecture and promises that there were no U.S. weapons involved.”
…[The Israelis] signed a deal with Iran’s Ministry of National Defense to sell $135,842,000 worth of arms, including Lance missiles, Copperhead shells and Hawk missiles…
In November 1981, Israeli Defense Minister Sharon visited Washington, shopping for approval of similar arms sales [to Iran]. His U S. counterpart Caspar Weinberger, flatly turned him down. Sharon then went to Haig, hoping for acquiescence from the State Department. Again, McFarlane handled many of the discussions with Sharon and Kimche; this time Haig unequivocally opposed any violation of the embargo.
Yet as in 1979-80, Israel pursued its policy anyway, in flat violation of its arms re-export agreements with the Pentagon. In a May 1982 interview with the Washington Post, Sharon claimed that Israeli shipments had been cleared “with our American colleagues” months earlier and that details of all the shipments were supplied to the administration. Later that year, Israel’s ambassador Moshe Arens declared that Israel’s arms sales were cleared at “almost the highest levels” in Washington…
And those shipments would continue to be enormous in size, estimated by experts at the Jaffee Institute for Strategic Studies in Tel Aviv at $500 million in value from 1980-83. Other arms market experts have put the total value at more than $500 million a year, including aircraft parts, artillery and ammunition.

(Source: p.169, “Irangate: The Israel Connection” excerpted from the book The Iran Contra Connection by Johnathan Marshall and Peter Dale Scott, South End Press, 1987, paper)
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After the Revolution, Iranians continued to buy arms from the United States using Israeli, European, and Latin American intermediaries to place orders, despite the official United States embargo. Israeli sales, for example, were recorded as early as 1979. On several occasions, attempted arms sales to Iran have been thwarted by law enforcement operations or broker-initiated leaks. One operation set up by the United States Department of Justice foiled the shipment of more than US$2 billion of United States weapons to Iran from Israel and other foreign countries. The material included 18 F-4 fighter-bombers, 46 skyhawk fighter-bombers, and nearly 4,000 missiles. But while the department of Justice was attempting to prevent arms sales to Iran, senior officials in the administration of President Ronald Reagan admitted that 2,008 TOW missiles and 235 parts kits for Hawk missiles had been sent to Iran via Israel.
Despite official denials, it is believed that Israel has been a supplier of weapons and spare parts for Iran’s American-made arsenal. Reports indicate that an initial order for 250 retread tires for F-4 Phantom jets was delivered in 1979 for about US$27 million. Since that time, unverified reports have alleged that Israel agreed to sell Iran Sidewinder air-to-air missiles, radar equipment, mortar and machinegun ammunition, field telephones, M-60 tank engines and artillery shells, and spare parts for C-130 transport planes
Source: Global Security Article
(http://www.globalsecurity.org/milit.../iran/intro.htm)

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Quote Duende Replybullet Posted: 17 October 2007 at 3:25am
Finding the REAL reasons for just about anything that has happened in
the past 50-70 years is far harder than one would think.

Sawtul, I seem to remember, was thoroughly caught up by the Illuminati
agenda and frequently mentions various secret societies supposedly
responsible for this or that inexplicable historical anomaly. Besides these
immediately obvious secret societies and their converging agendas, there
is a far more menacing and frightening elite group directly responsible
for practically every political and social event since the discovery of oil in
Texas.

Coming to conclusions such as the delusional secret alliance between the
US-Iran-Shia, is actually the SIMPLE answer to what is a complex trail of
clues left by members of the Bilderberg organisation and the Trilateral
Commission.

Here's an extract from an interesting paper available at Globalresearch.ca:
Imperial Playground: The Story of Iran in Recent History

by Andrew G. Marshal

     In the 70s, the Shah of Iran, which was at the time a secular [non-
religious] nation, was stepping up the process of industrializing the
country of Iran. At this time, Europe, especially at the behest of Germany
and France, was pursuing greater cooperation and integration, and in
doing so, created the European Monetary System (EMS), under which the
nine European Community member states made the decision to have their
central banks work together to align their currencies to one another. This
would allow for greater competition between the Anglo-American
dominated ‘petrodollar monetary system’ and the rising European
Community, which was still feeling the effects of the OPEC oil shock. Part
of the agreement between Germany and France was to develop an
agreement with OPEC countries in the Middle East to exchange high-
technology and equipment for a stable-priced oil supply. The Anglo-
Americans saw this as a threat to their hegemony over the oil market, and
so, “Carter had unsuccessfully sought to persuade the Schmidt [German]
government, under the Carter administration’s new Nuclear Non-
Proliferation Act, to abandon export of virtually all nuclear technology to
the developing sector, [underdeveloped countries, i.e. Iran] on the false
argument that peaceful nuclear plant technology threatened to proliferate
nuclear weapons, an argument which uniquely stood to enhance the
strategic position of the Anglo-American petroleum-based financial
establishment.” This effort to persuade Germany was to no avail, so the
Anglo-Americans had to pursue a more drastic policy change.

      This policy formed when, “In November 1978, President Carter named
the Bilderberg group’s George Ball, another member of the Trilateral
Commission, to head a special White House Iran task force under the
National Security Council’s Brzezinski. Ball recommended that Washington
drop support for the Shah of Iran and support the fundamentalist Islamic
opposition of Ayatollah Khomeni. Robert Bowie from the CIA was one of
the lead ‘case officers’ in the new CIA-led coup against the man their
covert actions had placed into power 25 years earlier.” This is further
corroborated by author and journalist, Webster Tarpley in his book,
George Bush: The Unauthorized Biography, in which he stated, “Carter
and Brzezinski had deliberately toppled the Shah of Iran, and deliberately
installed [Ayatollah] Khomeni in power. This was an integral part of
Brzezinski’s ‘arc of crisis’ geopolitical lunacy, another made-in-London
artifact which called for the US to support the rise of Khomeni, and his
personal brand of fanaticism, a militant heresy within Islam. U.S. arms
deliveries were made to Iran during the time of the Shah; during the
short-lived Shahpour Bakhtiar government at the end of the Shah’s reign;
and continuously after the advent of Khomeni.” The Defense and Foreign
Affairs Daily reported in their March 2004 edition that, “In 1978 while the
West was deciding to remove His Majesty Mohammad Reza Shah Pahlavi
from the throne, [Ayatollah] Shariatmadari was telling anyone who would
listen not to allow ‘Ayatollah’ Ruhollah Khomeini and his velayat faghih
(Islamic jurist) version of Islam to be allowed to govern Iran. Ayatollah
Shariatmadari noted: ‘We mullahs will behave like bickering whores in a
brothel if we come to power ... and we have no experience on how to run
a modern nation so we will destroy Iran and lose all that has been
achieved at such great cost and effort’.” This was exactly the point of
putting them in power, as it would destabilize an industrializing country,
and as William Engdahl further pointed out, “Their scheme was based on
a detailed study of the phenomenon of Islamic fundamentalism, as
presented by British Islamic expert, Dr. Bernard Lewis, then on
assignment at Princeton University in the United States. Lewis’ scheme,
which was unveiled at the May 1979 Bilderberg meeting in Austria,
endorsed the radical Muslim Brotherhood movement behind Khomeni, in
order to promote balkanization of the entire Muslim Near East along tribal
and religious lines. Lewis argued that the West should encourage
autonomous groups such as the Kurds, Armenians, Lebanese Maronites,
Ethiopian Copts, Azerbaijani Turks, and so forth. The chaos would spread
in what he termed an ‘Arc of Crisis,’ which would spill over into the
Muslim regions of the Soviet Union.”

      Bernard Lewis’ concept was also discussed in a 1979 article in Foreign
Affairs, the highly influential seasonal journal of international relations
put forward by the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), the pre-eminent
policy think tank in the United States, whose leadership and many
members also share membership with the Trilateral Commission and
Bilderberg Group. The article stated, “The ‘arc of crisis’ has been defined
as an area stretching from the Indian subcontinent in the east to the Horn
of Africa in the west. The Middle East constitutes its central core. Its
strategic position is unequalled: it is the last major region of the Free
World directly adjacent to the Soviet Union, it holds in its subsoil about
three-fourths of the proven and estimated world oil reserves, and it is the
locus [central point] of one of the most intractable conflicts of the
twentieth century: that of Zionism versus Arab nationalism. Moreover,
national, economic and territorial conflicts are aggravated by the
intrusion of religious passions in an area which was the birthplace of
Judaism, Christianity and Islam, and by the exposure, in the twentieth
century, to two competing appeals of secular modernization: Western and
communist,” and further stated, “Against the background of these basic
facts, postwar American policy in the Middle East has focused on three
major challenges: security of the area as against Soviet threats to its
integrity and independence, fair and peaceful resolution of the Arab-
Israeli conflict, and safe access to its oil.”

- - - - -

William Engdahl continued in his examination of the 1979 revolution/
coup in Iran, of which he said, “The coup against the Shah, like that
against Mossadeq in 1953, was run by British and American intelligence,
with the bombastic American, Brzezinski, taking public ‘credit’ for getting
rid of the ‘corrupt’ Shah, while the British characteristically remained in
the background. During 1978, negotiations were under way between the
Shah’s government and British Petroleum for renewal of the 25-year oil
extraction agreement. By October 1978, the talks had collapsed over a
British ‘offer’ which demanded exclusive rights to Iran’s future oil output,
while refusing to guarantee purchase of the oil. With their dependence on
British-controlled export apparently at an end, Iran appeared on the
verge of independence in its oil sales policy for the first time since 1953,
with eager prospective buyers in Germany, France, Japan and elsewhere.”
The strategy was to have “religious discontent against the Shah [which]
could be fanned by trained agitators deployed by British and US
intelligence,” and so “As Iran’s domestic economic troubles grew [as a
result of the British refusing to buy Iranian oil in a strategy of economic
pressure], American ‘security’ advisers to the Shah’s Savak secret police
implemented a policy of ever more brutal repression, in a manner
calculated to maximize popular antipathy to the Shah. At the same time,
the Carter administration cynically began protesting abuses of ‘human
rights’ under the Shah,” and the strategy even entailed using the BBC
(British Broadcasting Corporation), which “gave the Ayatollah Khomeni a
full propaganda platform inside Iran during this time. The British
government-owned broadcasting organization refused to give the Shah’s
government an equal chance to reply.” Further, “during the Christmas
season of 1979, one Captain Sivash Setoudeh, an Iranian naval officer and
the former Iranian military attaché before the breaking of diplomatic
relations between the United States and Iran [in 1979], was arranging
arms deliveries to [Ayatollah] Khomeni out of a premises of the US Office
of Naval Research in Arlington, Virginia.”

      With the successful revolution/coup in Iran in 1979, the Shah was
exiled to Egypt, and back in the United States, Bilderberg and Trilateral
Commission co-founder and international banker David Rockefeller was
approached by Princess Ashraf, the sister of the deposed Shah, who was
suffering from cancer, and “she was turning for help to the man who ran
one of the leading U.S. banks [Chase Manhattan – now, JP Morgan Chase],
one which had made a fortune serving as the Shah’s banker for a quarter
century and handling billions of dollars in Iran’s assets. Ashraf’s message
was straightforward. She wanted Rockefeller to intercede with Jimmy
Carter and ask the President to relent on his decision against granting the
Shah refuge in the United States,” and further, “The new Iranian
government also wanted Chase Manhattan to return Iranian assets, which
Rockefeller put at more than $1 billion in 1978, although some estimates
ran much higher.” And so, “a public campaign by Rockefeller – along with
[Henry] Kissinger and former Chase Manhattan Bank Chairman John
McCloy – to find a suitable home in exile for the Shah” was undertaken,
and “Rockefeller also pressed the Shah’s case personally with Carter when
the opportunity presented itself. On April 9, 1979, at the end of an Oval
Office meeting on another topic, Rockefeller handed Carter a one-page
memo describing the views of many foreign leaders disturbed by recent
U.S. foreign policy actions, including Carter’s treatment of the Shah.”
According to a Time Magazine article in 1979, “Kissinger concedes that
he then made telephone calls to ‘three senior officials’ and paid two
personal visits to [Secretary of State] Vance to argue that a U.S. visa
should be granted the Shah. He expressed that view volubly in private
conversations with many people, including journalists. He said that the
last of his direct pleas was made in July. He and Rockefeller then sought
to find asylum elsewhere for the Shah. Rockefeller found a temporary
residence in the Bahamas, and Kissinger persuaded the government of
Mexico to admit the Shah on a tourist visa.” Eventually their efforts were
successful, as it was further revealed, “The late Shah had friends at Chase
Manhattan Bank and in the highest echelons of trilateral power. David
Rockefeller and Henry Kissinger played instrumental roles in arranging
the Shah’s exile and shaping US policy toward Iran.”
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Quote Sawtul Khilafah Replybullet Posted: 17 October 2007 at 10:14am

Wait a minute, are you actually implying that they got rid of the Shah and replaced him with Khomeini just to stop Iran from prospering financially??? Since the Shah was openly their ally, surely they could have made more money with him around than the supposed anti-American anti-West Khomeini.

I agree that things are more complicated than they seem, but it's certainly not all about money.

 

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Quote Duende Replybullet Posted: 17 October 2007 at 1:06pm
Tut tut Sawtull. Go read the whole document and stop inferring that I (as
opposed to the author of the extract) am implying anything. You have a
long way to go. Find out about the Bilderberg organisation and the
Trilateral Commission, the Council on Foreign Relations and countless
other 'think tanks' and US/Globalisation policies before you dismiss the
notion that it is 'all about money'. It is all about 'globalisation' which is
the latest buzzword replacing the more sinister (and actual name) One
World Government ideology which is ALL ABOUT THE ELITE MAINTAINING
THEIR GLOBAL POWER AND PROFIT, at your, and my, expense.

It is difficult to accept at first sight, but the goal is and has been for some
time, to DESTROY the growth economy, and destroy nation states, in
favour of elite government over the dumbed-down masses. The article
goes to some lengths to help you get your mind around the seemingly
contradictory US/UK actions to prevent Iran from prospering. As we can
all see, the prevention of economic growth maintains Iran and countless
other countries in the region nicely under control of the organisations
and foundations created by the elite (MFI, World Bank, UN etc.) which all
ultimately allow the elite to continue their safe, comfortable lives of
luxury, while so-called developing nations serve as their production sites.
Allowing us all, no encouraging us, to believe there is a religious motive
behind it all, is simply another psy-ops tactic, which has worked
extremely well

Read this article as it will help you formulate your conspiracy theory, with
actual facts as opposed to your twisted and tortuous anti-Iranian/Shia
diatribe.

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Quote Sawtul Khilafah Replybullet Posted: 23 October 2007 at 4:41pm

Today, on Fox News Sunday, Weekly Standard editor Bill Kristol declared that the U.S. was close to victory in the Iraq war, arguing that the only concern left for the U.S is dealing with alleged Iranian involvement in Iraq:

"We're winning in Iraq. That is the absolute crucial precondition to having success in the broader fight against Islamic jihadism.  And I think we are going to have to be serious about dealing with both their intervention in Iraq which is now the only real threat, I think, incidentally, to relative success in Iraq and their nuclear program."

 

As you can see they are actually trying to change history. I mentioned numerous other examples on my earlier posts such as my post at the buttom of this page: http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8411& ;PN=1&TPN=1

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Quote Sawtul Khilafah Replybullet Posted: 29 October 2007 at 2:27pm

Duende, here's CFR coming to Iran's rescue!!! http://www.infowars.com/articles/ww3/iran_200_dollar_oil_if_ war_with_iran_says_cfr_pres.htm

Kissinger did the same: http://darulislam.info/forum/showthread.php?t=3244

The same people who control the Neo-Cons are trying to turn people against a future war on Iran... !!! I explained why here: http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8924& ;PN=1&TPN=1

 

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Quote Duende Replybullet Posted: 30 October 2007 at 4:03am
Sawtul, read up on the techniques used by the CFR to plant supporters of
both sides of an argument, thereby continuously confusing the public as
to their real intentions. As supreme master of these techniques, Kissinger
is very unlikely to reveal the truth about ANYTHING although, a grain of
truth may be planted in whatever he states so as to lead us all along.

Personally, I feel Kissinger and his fellow seekers of One World
Government are annoyed with G.W and Cheney who consistently try to get
the upper hand over them, and some public knuckle-rapping is in order.

Incase you haven't been able to bone-up on the CFR, here's a small idea:
The CFR members include executives from the New York Times,
Washington Post, L.A Times, Wall Street Journal, NBC, CBS, ABC, FOX,
Time Fortune, Business Week. Candidates from both sides of the political
spectrum, most of the relevant government posts, especially Foreign
Policy obviously, CIA, FBI, and the IRS. Henry Kissinger is the key man in
the CFR. The president of the CFR, and founder, is David Rockerfeller,
world class banker extraordinaire.

Since before 1942 the CFR and Bilderberg Club have been working
towards a One World Government, which is largely what today’s UN is
being prepared to become, governing the three world regions of Europe
(notice it has already become an entity with its own ‘constitution’) a Pan-
American union, (the introduction of the Amero- replacing the Peso/
Canadian Loony/U.S Dollar is already in the public awareness) and Pacific/
Asian Union. The powerfully rich rule these regions behind the curtains of
the current U.S Admin and the European Parliament, via bodies such as
the CFR, Trilateral Commission, Tavistock Institute and Royal Institute of
International Affairs (UK) along with a whole range of seemingly un-
related ‘think-tanks’ and foundations (Rockerfeller Foundation, Bill &
Melinda Gates Foundation, Carnegie, Ford etc.,)

Psycho-political campaigns directed by the CFR and Bilderberg Club,
mostly prepared by the Tavistock Institute in the UK, are designed to
manipulate and create perpetual tensions in order to imprint upon the
world the ‘public opinion’ that best suits their ends. There are three basic
rules of influencing conduct: Carefully elaborated misinformation must
contain an element of truth: the elaborate web of deceit must be so
ornate as to make proof and actual evidence supporting it, intangible, by
hiding key information from the public, and thirdly; the actual
misinformation must not discredit a source of credibility such as the
media, which are therefore responsible for this role of ‘credible source’.
The Western media are almost entirely under the control of the CFR.

Placing themselves on both sides of an argument they demoralize,
confuse and confound and very few of us can see through the
smokescreen and determine the real motives.

From what I can judge, I see Ahmadineyad and the Iranian Ruling Council
as one of the last bastions against this world-domination of the ultra-rich
US based bankers, along with Cuba and Venezuela, and the emerging
Russian oligarchy.
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Quote Sawtul Khilafah Replybullet Posted: 30 October 2007 at 10:11am

I'm actually way ahead of you (just because I dont talk about something doesnt mean I dont know about them). The CFR, the UN, the US Government and Israel, as well as Iran, Russia and France are all on the same side.

It's like a game of chess, one side plays the black the other the white, and we are just pawns in their game until and unless we find out what's really going on (that's why I concern my posts with revealing their biggest secrets such as the real reason why they invaded Iraq and the real motives of Iran and "Hezbollah")

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