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Quote nu001 Replybullet Posted: 06 March 2007 at 11:08pm
Originally posted by Whisper

Watch my words, moderation proves to be the best.

I have problem with this term, 'Moderation'. Islam is from Allah and we are supposed to accept it in the same way as it is in Quran. No scope of adjusting it.

So called scholars have given rise to extremism and divided islam, bypassing the Quran. If 'moderation' means leaving all these falsehood and going back to only Quran! Back to true Islam. I agree.

Deviation from Quran, i.e. true islam is also the the root causes for poverty. 

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Quote pauline35 Replybullet Posted: 08 March 2007 at 9:04pm
Yes, nu001, moderation in this form means practising true Islam in this modern world understanding civilisation. Accepting civilisation is also Islam true value-based as it is a way of harmony.

Only extremism causes the poverty for all not just in the name of Islam. Islam does not teach human to remain in poverty for Prophet Mohammad first word was IQRAG "to READ", seeking knowledge is obligatory to every Muslim. It was the ascendancy of the Al-Murabitun and the Al-habidun and their rejection of non-religious learning marked a turning point in the history of Muslims.

The Al-Murabitun and Al-Mohabidun movements from North Africa which gained control of Al-Andalus frowned upon the study of subjects other than Islamic religion. The study of Greek philosophy and the sciences were discouraged and finally banned altogether.

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Quote Patty Replybullet Posted: 09 March 2007 at 8:25am

Originally posted by pauline35

That's what he's been educating the Muslims of Malaysia to be civilised and continuously progressing in any fields that promote knowledge and advance technology. Instead of parent sending their children to religious school, he encourages parent to send their children to overseas and bring back wisdom. Unfortunately, most of the students who's gone overseas never came back.

Why don't they go back, Pauline?  If they are well educated in the West, wouldn't they want to go back to the Middle East and help their loved ones, friends, and fellow Muslims?  I'm confused here.It seems that if a child is raised in a loving, Muslim home, he/she would be thrilled to have the education and skills to return home and share their knowledge with others.  Can you explain this to me?  Thank you.

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Quote Sign*Reader Replybullet Posted: 10 March 2007 at 12:13am

Originally posted by pauline35

That's what he's been educating the Muslims of Malaysia to be civilised and continuously progressing in any fields that promote knowledge and advance technology. Instead of parent sending their children to religious school, he encourages parent to send their children to overseas and bring back wisdom. Unfortunately, most of the students who's gone overseas never came back.


So far as I can remember all my classmates who were from Malaysia did go back after their graduations. May be these days things may be different but wasn't the case 35 years ago I may be retired but not senile yet. And that did establish the modern manufacturing in Malaysian economy with knowledge they gained here. They were lots of them and nice people.
BTW if your profile is true how do you know all this?
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Quote Patty Replybullet Posted: 10 March 2007 at 6:35am

Here's what some of the good people of Maine (my home) are doing to help the young people in Iraq.  I want to go meet this young man and talk with him.  He's not far from where I live.  I watched him on television when he arrived at the airport in Bangor.  He sobbed with joy to have such a good opportunity here in the States....and to be able to "go back to Iraq and help his people" after he graduates.

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Iraqi student seeks fresh start in Maine
By JOEL ELLIOTT
Staff Writer
Kennebec Journal & Morning Sentinel Thursday, March 08, 2007

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New Thomas College student Dan Azad, left, and his resident adviser Brendan Flint pose on the Waterville campus Wednesday. Azad left Baghdad, Iraq, on a scholarship to the school.
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New Thomas College student Dan Azad speaks about leaving Baghdad, Iraq, on a scholarship to the Waterville school on Wednesday.
WATERVILLE -- Dan Azad, an Iraqi student who escaped sectarian violence and came to Maine, on Wednesday morning promised to "make everyone proud" through hard work at Thomas College.

Azad arrived in Waterville this weekend courtesy of New York benefactor Paul Schupf and begins classes today.

Of the 2 million Iraqis who have fled the country since the war began in 2003, according to the United Nations, the United States has accepted fewer than 500.

Azad, 18, said he will prove that Schupf and the people in Maine who helped bring him here had done the right thing in helping him become one of the lucky few Iraqi refugees to have been allowed into the country.

"I will make everyone proud of me," he said during a press conference at the West River Road college campus. "I will make a good future here at Thomas College, because students don't have a future in Baghdad."

Azad left behind his mother, father and younger brother. When his 17-year-old brother graduates from high school, Azad said, the family plans to travel to Kurdistan, where the violence is not nearly so intense.

Azad plans to return to Iraq when he finishes college, and wants to do some sort of constructive work in his homeland.

"I want to help my country," he said. "But how, I don't know, because it's hard to help a country without a government."

Civil war is devastating Iraq, and shooting and explosions were a common occurrence near Baghdad's Ballet and Music School, Azad's former high school of 75 students. Many of his friends have fled to other countries to escape the killings.

Hope entered Azad's world after Schupf saw the Iraqi youth's profile on "ABC World News Tonight" and began making inquiries as to how he could bring him to the United States. An ABC reporter told Azad of Schupf's plans to pay for his trip and education.

"When I hung up the phone, I was screaming in the house," he said. "But at the same time, I did not believe it."

At first it seemed like a mixed blessing. Azad's family began to fear that he might become a target as news of his good fortune began to circulate.

Their fears heightened when Azad had two close brushes with would-be abductors. One time, on the way home from school, a car pulled up beside him with four men who tried to force him to come with them. Instead, Azad ran away, finally evading the men.

It became clear that, if Azad was going to make it out of the country, he would need to do it quickly. As Schupf made arrangements to pay his tuition at Thomas College, U.S. Sens. Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins did what they could to expedite the process for him to obtain a student visa in Jordan.

ABC moved Azad to the relative safety of its Baghdad campus for a couple of weeks prior to his departure.

At last, he was able to make the trip.

Traveling from a country where different sects of the same religion are blowing each other up on a daily basis, Azad said he was apprehensive about meeting people from a different culture.

"I thought I would not be welcome with the students in Maine, because I'm from a different country," he said. "But now, there is a different thought in my mind."

Azad said he feels more comfortable now that he has toured the Thomas campus and met faculty and students, including his new roommate. He will be staying on campus in dormitory rooms along with other first-year students, according to campus spokeswoman Rhonda Morin.

The transplanted freshman plans to study computer information services, beginning classes today. Entering classes five weeks into the semester, he has assumed a full course load for which he will receive credit in addition to several courses he will be auditing.

Besides trying to get used to the cold weather and settling into his course work, Azad said it will take time to become accustomed to the relative tranquility of Maine.

"In Baghdad, we don't go out during the day," he said. "I guess we don't have life in Baghdad. The dark became our best friend."

Joel Elliott -- 861-9252

jelliott@centralmaine.com


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Fred Ferkle of WTVL, ME
Mar 8, 2007 6:03 PM

"These people are at risk because of the United States desire for revenge and power. "

- Earthling


That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Do you think this kid would be here at all if Saddam were still in power?

What planet are you really from, "Earthling" ? Get your presciption checked - your BDS is in hyperdrive.

RicknVA of Alexandria, VA
Mar 8, 2007 5:07 PM
That is so mean-spiruted Nizzie. If you could have seen how happy this kid was when Dan Harris of ABC (a Colby graduate) met him at the airport and he burst into tears, I don't think you could possibly underatnd what it maens to this kid to be given a better life. I'm glad I don't carry your bitter heart.

MaineBorn of formerly Maine, now in Upstate
Mar 8, 2007 1:20 PM
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Here's the diff: you don't live in a war zone. Nobody's shooting at, bombing, or trying to kidnap you and your kids. You can cut through all the red tape and beaurocracy without the fine senators' help because you live in a free country. This kid needed more help than you or your kid plain and simple. Why so bitter?

You don't have to fight bombs every day so filing some paperwork and cutting some red tape for yourself shouldn't be such a big task.

debra sirois of norridgewock, ME
Mar 8, 2007 12:07 PM
I thought the News Media was keeping this young mans last name quiet to protect his family still in Iraq?

I hope this young man can gets a good education and then goes back home to lead his people into a brighter future.

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Quote Sign*Reader Replybullet Posted: 10 March 2007 at 11:17pm
A single swallow does not make summer!!!
By the time Dan graduates to go back home what are the odds of Iraq being in one piece and on the map to find still!!
BTW Dan  doesn't sound like an Iraqi name
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Quote Patty Replybullet Posted: 11 March 2007 at 4:30am

Originally posted by Sign*Reader

A single swallow does not make summer!!!
By the time Dan graduates to go back home what are the odds of Iraq being in one piece and on the map to find still!!
BTW Dan  doesn't sound like an Iraqi name

Hello Sign*Reader,

I'd like to see a little glimmer of optimism from you, but you're right.  "A single swallow does not make summer."  However the beginning of a great journey starts with the first step!!  I think the war in Iraq will soon end.......that is my prayer.  I agree Dan doesn't sound like an Iraqi name, but either it is (check his name on Google,) or they changed his name for his own protection from some American bigots/morons who would possibly harm him.  I am sorry to say that even where I live in Maine, a very peaceful and tolerant state with very few people but lots of SNOW, there is still the occasional criminal lurking about.  I think the university changed his real name to protect him from the possibility of any harm from one of these "crazies".

I plan to go to the college and find him.  I am an amateur photographer, so I want to photograph him, and do an honest, private interview...away from the maddening crowd.

Peace be with you.

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Quote Sign*Reader Replybullet Posted: 11 March 2007 at 6:17pm
Hi Patty:
A few unmitigated letdowns in golden years of this autumn bird have turned whatever optimism was given in the mix into trust but verify twice approach in everything. Your disposition being a spring bird with more energy to burn may see things more optimistically but then also suffer the consequences.
My pessimism is due to the fact, the virtual world we are living in presents us small posters such as this become more attractive to assuage the guilt and subconsciously the responsibility of the macro issue the Iraqi war for oil is waved.
Another case in point Angelina Jolie and Madonna adopting the babies from the conflicted areas of the world the continuance of problems apace notwithstanding. The paparazzi s paying 10 Million dollars for the Jolie & Brad's new baby's first pictures.
And the parents are still not married, what gives?
May be the kids stuff gets America's attention!
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or they changed his name for his own protection from some American bigots/morons who would possibly harm him.  I am sorry to say that even where I live in Maine, a very peaceful and tolerant state with very few people but lots of SNOW, there is still the occasional criminal lurking about.  I think the university changed his real name to protect him from the possibility of any harm from one of these "crazies".

How do you protect when the kid'spicrures are all over the place?


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