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Quote hat2010 Replybullet Posted: 30 January 2007 at 5:57am
“… When the Bonnie and Clyde star [Faye Dunaway] appeared as a
dishevelled, bespectacled woman with bad teeth in March 2005 [bottom
photograph], fans were shocked to see how she had been affected by the
ravages of time ...”

Not as shocked as I am to find myself hopelessly turned on by the bad
teeth picture. Maybe that's why I chose this medieval city to live in - a
predilection for crumbling rather than embalming.

Shucks. Wish I also had a great author to quote to flesh out the above.

How about this?

"Whitey likes the Anaheim Chiles...go figure!" - Maria Conception Jacinta
Dominguez Ortega, or as we like to call her, Mama.

JamJam (I'm told)

ref: Ortega (Mama), Help from Mama, B&G Foods in Parsippany, New
Jersey, 1850, reprinted and refried in 2007.
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Quote hat2010 Replybullet Posted: 30 January 2007 at 6:02am
My dead hero Harry Partch just called to say check out his

"Revelation in the Courthouse Park"

says it's actually related to your OP somehow.
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Quote Servetus Replybullet Posted: 31 January 2007 at 12:52pm

In which we ask the burning questions, JamJam, if Mama Ortega (op cit) has an inordinately, well, grande {big} toe and if her relationship to Senor Ortega y Gasset is at all comparable to that of, say, Mazarine to François Mitterrand?

 

All that aside, if I have no intention of carrying on a too lively or stubborn correspondence with John Calvin this time around, I might also mention that, at this point, and based solely upon the titles of his musical pieces -which sound rather too appreciative of Dionysus- I am adding Harry Partch to my own personal Index of (largely) Forbidden Works.  I’ve already seen the cultural results of so-called hymns to Dionysus.  I (think I) recognize the Siren’s song when I hear it.  Most of those hymns might start out as operatic, but, soon enough, they make their descent into those mono-syllabic grunts of raw animality that I referred to in my opening post above.  They also provide the sound-track to such breaches in the wall as, say, the Freaknik in Atlanta, the Folsom Street Fair in San Francisco, the Mardi Gras in Rio de Janeiro and the Burning Man Festival. 

 

Speaking of barely disguised idolatry (weren’t we, all of us?), I noticed that, on today’s Yahoo home page, one’s attention is drawn to a celebrated if problematic so-called host or judge of well-funded American broadcast idolatry, a show called, accurately enough, “American Idol,” Paula Abdul, and her “bizarre” behavior during recent interviews.

 

I clicked on it and here’s an abbreviated report from Los Angeles (E! Online), in blue, italics added:

 

“Paula Abdul is holding fast to her claim that appearances can be deceiving.”

 

Servie bytes back:  Can’t they though!

 

“The American Idol judge has once again spoken up in her own defense over a series of bizarre interviews she conducted earlier this month in which she appeared, shall we say, confused.”

Confused is putting it, say, nicely (except when you, the author of this report, say it).

“Footage of Abdul's loopy question-and-answer session with a Seattle Fox affiliate was posted on YouTube for those who missed it the first time around, leading to rampant speculation over whether the "Forever Your Girl" singer was drunk or on drugs at the time of the interview.”

Thanks for leading us into rampant speculation.

“While an audio glitch may explain away Abdul's seemingly nonsensical answers to the interviewer's questions, there's still the matter of her disoriented demeanor and slurred speech, not to mention her apparent inability to sit still.”

Well, I, for one, am fidgeting on the edge of my seat waiting for all of these outstanding matters to be finally and satisfactorily resolved.  Then and only then can our glorious public celebrations of idolatry proceed apace and as usual. 

Serv

Ref:  http://news.yahoo.com/s/eonline/20070130/en_celeb_eo/0d7b65d 8_c38a4a27_95fe_728bd1935d77



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Quote Servetus Replybullet Posted: 01 February 2007 at 5:40pm

If my guard is up and Harry Partch is at least initially, until further notice, on my personal Index of (largely) Forbidden Works, I must say that the (Apollonian) Laurie Andersen still is not.  In one of her more sparse and strange tracks, which is saying a lot for a master of strangeness and cerebral performance art, the title track of her 1994 release, Bright Red, she finishes with a reading from the Douay-Reims Version of Prophet Isaiah’s prophecy concerning the “burden of Babylon” -that is to say, with a prophecy against Babylon.  I am not meaning to, in a legal sense, “lead the witness” here, but this is a portion of the prophecy and my (artistic and seriously under-funded) impression of how it could, repeat could, be interpreted.

 

But wild beasts shall rest there …and the hairy ones shall dance there … And owls shall answer one another there …and sirens in the temples of pleasure.” (13:21-22)

 

But wild beasts shall rest there …”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charging_Bull

 

… and the hairy ones shall dance there …”

(Warning: disturbing, or at least seriously disturbed, images:)

 http://www.amazon.com/Cannibal-Corpse/artist/B000APEB6E

 

“ … And owls shall answer one another there …”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_General_Assembly

 

“… and sirens in the temples of pleasure.”

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/music/2953665.stm

 

 

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Quote ops154 Replybullet Posted: 03 February 2007 at 8:55am
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To tell you just how vulgar American popular culture has become and how difficult it can be for one to be shielded from it, I was recently forcing myself to listen to one of those syndicated, corporate FM radio shows in which talking and (fake-)laughing heads, otherwise known as show “hosts,” were evidently amusing their audience -with the exception, in this case, of at least one- with Howard Stern-inspired forays into mere fetishism, scatology and incest.  I will spare you the details, but it was pure filth.  What’s more, it was offered to Americans during the busiest period of the day, when people are commuting to and from school and work, and was thus guaranteed an audience.  We are repeatedly told that they (the promoters) are “pushing the envelope” and are thereby protecting our “free speech” rights, but I think they are, to use the expression, spitting on our back and calling it rain and are deliberately corrupting the morals of especially the youth.  I don’t think that pornography should be altogether outlawed but neither do I think that it should be perpetually and publicly broadcast to twelve-year-olds in the form of so-called “entertainment.”   

One of our American forefathers, the amazing if imperfect Thomas Jefferson, had this grand idea that, by now, Americans would be public-schooled in the Classics and that America, the shining beacon upon the hill, would be a moral and intellectual improvement upon the great Greco-Roman Republics of times past.  Instead, what it seems to me we are witnessing is a potentially universal return not only to empire (think Nero gone global) and its attendant cult of State-worship -that is to say, worship of the State- but also a rise, with a vengeance, of the basest and vilest forms of paganism -a return, in the main and the public domain, to mono-syllabic grunts.  Apollo is losing to Dionysus.

Just imagine.  What a different place this America would be if, instead of constantly pushing the “free speech” envelope with pornography, the talking and laughing heads of this country would instead give us public readings of, say, politically revolutionary and “heretical” ideas, including from our own problematic countrymen and women, and real news from, say, Afghanistan, or even New York.  Hey!  Broadcast this!

During the Monica Lewinsky scandal, one observer, while noting the increase in her fame and fortune, commented that the wages of sin, in that case, were “high” (instead of “death,” as the Bible says).  At times I have thought, in contrast to the trials of Socrates and again with Thomas Jefferson in mind, that we seem to have arrived at the point where he or she who is willing to contribute the most to the corruption of in this case primarily American youth is not forced to drink hemlock, as Socrates was, but rather is given celebrity status and is hired to host nationally-syndicated radio and television programs.

Here, then, is a case in point (and please do note the $ figures):

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16539806/

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You believe in god don't you? If you do then you will realize that he gave you two hands and you could easily change the station. I know that seems complicated and it is much easier to come here and tell everyone how bad the country that you live in is but really just because you don't like something doesn't mean someone else doens't. You are just like so many on this site that says "America pushs it will on everyone" and then you turn around and want to push YOUR will on everyone else. CHANGE THE STATION if you don't like what you hear.

Get it through your heads that I don't support Bush or the Israeli's! Thank your lucky stars for America is here to stay!!!
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Quote Servetus Replybullet Posted: 05 February 2007 at 10:05am

Ops,

You wrote:
You {Servetus} believe in god don't you?

Yes.  But I do not believe in the predominating cultural deities mentioned and identified by name in my above posts.  It might, just might, be because I believe in God that I feel this atavistic -or at least decidedly anachronistic-impulsion to rail against idolatry, including some of its current cultural forms.

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If you do then you will realize that he gave you two hands and you could easily change the station.

So tell me, with this rather peculiar spot of logic on your part, how it is that, with the two hands that God gave me, I can change the station and prevent my children or those in my charge from listening to this garbage when they are not with me?  Are you  listening to Cannibal Corpse?  Well, even if you aren’t listening, a whole lot of children are.

For that matter, how might I walk through the check-out line of the grocery store without having my attention drawn to Mariah Carey’s cellulite?  I wouldn’t mind strapping on a pair of horse blinders but I already get enough unwanted attention from my benumbed and conformist countrymen and women as it is.

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I know that seems complicated …

Ok, smarty pants, if it shouldn’t be complicated for one to change the station and thus prevent one's 12-year-old child from listening to Howard Stern-inspired forays into scatology and incest (when the kid is on the school bus, on his way to school) then please tell one how to do it.  I had considered becoming Amish but even they sing along to Madonna.

Let me ask you: have you ever immersed yourself into the, well, for lack of a better word, “music” of Cannibal Corpse?  Click on the above-provided link and read.   One of their songs, entitled Kill Christians, or some such thing, would be a reference to, among many others, my saintly mother.

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… and it is much easier to come here and tell everyone how bad the country that you live in is …

Read again, and pay attention his time.

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 but really just because you don't like something doesn't mean someone else doens't.

No kidding, Ops? 

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You are just like so many on this site that says "America pushs it will on everyone" and then you turn around and want to push YOUR will on everyone else.

I am not.  I am absolutely unique.  In fact, I insist upon my uniqueness.  To my view, you are the one who, at least in this case, is entirely but still rather endearingly predictable.  (And, speaking of unique, my new porcelain caps from an inexpensive dentist in Mexico make me look fabulous!)        

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CHANGE THE STATION if you don't like what you hear.

How does one change the station that one's child is listening to?  That is the question.  Answer that.  Think about this, and let it sink in.  One of the things that I either like or dislike about America, I cannot decide because it involves the freedoms that President Bush says the terrorists hate us for, is when my eleven-year-old daughter comes home from school singing along to Snoop Dog’s “Doggy Style” and looking like Justin Timberlake just caused her wardrobe to malfunction.

When your time comes, and if you do try to “change that station,” I should be interested to know just how you manage it.  Meanwhile, and as I said, I am home, working on home improvement projects -DIY- and am expressing my displeasure.  If you don’t like my rant, you know what you can do:  change the station.

But thank you for contributing to my blog anyway, because it bumps it up and keeps it gloriously active!

Best regards,

Serv



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Quote wafi Replybullet Posted: 06 February 2007 at 5:22am

Hi Serv

one foreword, I have two kids, now 14 and 18 years old and I`m living alone with my kids for the last 6 years. So ... I think I know a little bit something about, how to react and how to work with kids.

 I think the main question is not what type of music they are listening or movie in TV or cinema ... think the main point, what`s going on at home. Think my kids learned that what ever happens outside our small family, the family situation ist stable. That is a daily ritual, to have a common breakfast, when they are coming from school, to have lunch (NO fastfood!) and to have a comon dinner together. To give room for discussions, to comfort them if necessary ... of cause to have fun with them ... In the end, to show them your way of life. It is extersive and when you finished one day ... the other will start in same way, but feed them with your love and confidence, than ... maybe ... the "arrow" will fly in that direction you would prefere. But if you feed them with distrust, with prohibition ... you can be sure, that the "arrow" will go in a direction, you do not like at all.

 It`s not the music ... it`s not a movie, not even wrong friends ... it`s up to you and your attitude to give the arrow the right or wrong direction.



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Quote Duende Replybullet Posted: 06 February 2007 at 8:09am

Serv, I am really 'feeling' your pain during this rant and the bits of good advice you're getting are at least keeping us afloat in the cultural toilet ...(not sure how appropriate that is, given the matter!)

But it was strange to find Ops reappearing after so long without a peep out of him on subjects more weighty than the assaults on one's  spiritual wellbeing at the check out. Standing up for American subcultures must be his most recent promotion. Down from raging against Whisper's more intellectually/politically challenging posts. At least he's realised his intellectual capacity is more suited to discussions of cellulite and the contents of the swirling garbage Americans take as 'culture', than defending the honour of his flag or whatever it is he does. 

Generally, I would advise 'channel changing' by moving somewhere where the assaults on your existential wellbeing are easier to control than through Ops' suggestion of flicking a switch. In other words, if you don't like it where you are: leave.

Of course, moving is one of the most stressfull things you can put yourself through, and then, believe it or not, you'd still suffer from 'culture shock', despite despising the culture you've just left!

 

Suffice to say, Miguelito, if you ever feel the urge to rediscover the roots in the land of Cervantes, we would love to have you!

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