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Quote Arab Replybullet Topic: Proof from Bible that Jesus never died
    Posted: 06 January 2007 at 8:32pm

Here are four books which you can read online, they are written in simple terms, easy to understand by everyone. They pove from the Bible that Christ never died, and that is also what the Quran says.

http://www.ahmed-deedat.co.za/Books/books/christ.html

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Quote Mauri Replybullet Posted: 07 January 2007 at 10:15pm
Proof from the Quran that Jesus died:

Surah Al-Imran: "And Muhammad is only an apostle, all of the (other) apostles have passed away before him: if, then, he dies or is slain, will you turn about on your heels" (Q3:144 Asad's translation)?
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Quote Arab Replybullet Posted: 07 January 2007 at 10:56pm

lol thats a mistake in the translation. The Quran strictly says that Jesus was not Crusified.

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YUSUFALI: Muhammad is no more than a messenger: many Were the messenger that passed away before him. If he died or were slain, will ye then Turn back on your heels? If any did turn back on his heels, not the least harm will he do to Allah; but Allah (on the other hand) will swiftly reward those who (serve Him) with gratitude.
PICKTHAL: Muhammad is but a messenger, messengers (the like of whom) have passed away before him. Will it be that, when he dieth or is slain, ye will turn back on your heels? He who turneth back on his heels doth no hurt to Allah, and Allah will reward the thankful.

It doesnt say ALL. Neither does the Quran, the Arabic which is the original. The Quran is no shabby book that you can take verses from it to support your claim like I just did with the Bible. Jesus said LIKE JONAH WAS SO SHALL THE SON OF MAN BE. What was Jonah? Dead or alive? You say no he was emphasising the time factor, well, did he fullfill that? Johna peace be upon him was three days and three nights, Jesus wasnt.

 

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Quote Arab Replybullet Posted: 07 January 2007 at 10:58pm
I have never herd of an al sad translation in the first place. Read the good translations not the so called asad.
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Quote Mauri Replybullet Posted: 07 January 2007 at 11:49pm
"it doesnt say ALL. Neither does the Quran, the Arabic which is the original. The Quran is no shabby book that you can take verses from it to support your claim like I just did with the Bible."

I think you are confusing "shabbiness of the book" with poor understanding of the book.

The title of your thread is: "
Proof from Bible that Jesus never died." 
Then you say:  Quran strictly says that Jesus was not Crusified.

First, I think you are confusing death with crucifixion.
Second, if Jesus never died, doesn't that make him eternal? ;)

A quote from first of those links:
what God Almighty had commanded them to say in the Holy Quran. As Muslims they had no choice. They had said in so many words -"WE MUSLIMS BELIEVE, THAT JESUS WAS ONE OF THE MIGHTIEST MESSENGERS OF GOD, THAT HE WAS THE CHRIST, THAT HE WAS BORN MIRACULOUSLY - WITHOUT ANY MALE INTERVENTION (which many modern-day Christians do not believe today), THAT HE GAVE LIFE TO THE DEAD BY GOD'S PERMISSION, AND THAT HE HEALED THOSE BORN BLIND AND THE LEPERS BY GOD'S PERMISSION. IN FACT NO MUSLIM IS A MUSLIM IF HE DOES NOT BELIEVE IN JESUS!"

From the Quran: 

“How can you disbelieve in Allah? Don’t you realize that you were dead and He gave you life? Then He will give you death, then again will bring you to life (on the Day of resurrection) and then unto Him you will return”. (2:27)



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Quote Arab Replybullet Posted: 09 January 2007 at 5:37am

Since you're a Christian, you're free to believe that Jesus is God sicne thats what you want to believe. But dont try to justify it by the Quran that Jesus was God. As for u saying "if Jesus didnt die doesnt that make him eternal"? Thats why he has to die, thats why he is coming back according to Islam, because he never died. Please dont turn this into a debate of Jesus being God. If u want to debate Jesus being God or not then start a new topic and I would be glad to debate you about that. By all means, start a thread.



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Quote Mauri Replybullet Posted: 09 January 2007 at 8:44am
You accuse me of believing, trying to justify it by the Quran, and of trying to turn this into a debate of Jesus being God and then offer to debate it with me on another thread.  Ironically, you are the one who gave evidence to support that he did not die, while  I gave evidence to support that he did!!!
If you say that he did not die, it is logical to ask you if you are saying he is eternal or immortal. 

If, as you contend, he didn't die but must come back to die, then where do you think he is now?  Is he unique (if so, what makes him unique) or are there others who, like him, did not die but must return to die?




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Quote Arab Replybullet Posted: 09 January 2007 at 1:36pm

Jesus was rescued by Allah from the crusifiction because God is merciful so He didnt allow such a barbaric thing to be done to His messenger. Jesus is in heaven, yes he is unique meaning he never died and went to heaven, he will come back, and unite the world  and die because we all have to die

Let's look at verse 4:156-159

 "That they rejected Faith; That they uttered against Mary A grave false charge; That they said (in boast): 'We killed Christ Jesus The son of Mary, The Messenger of Allah.' But they killed him not, Nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjunction to follow, for of a surety they killed him not. Nay, Allah raised him up Unto Himself; and Allah Is Exalted in Power, Wise. And there is none of the people of the book (Jews and Christians) But must believe in him (Jesus) Before his death; And on the Day of Judgment He (Jesus) will be a witness Against them."

 

sorry if i was a bit harsh in the begening.



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