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Quote bharatiya Replybullet Posted: 03 May 2005 at 9:58pm
Haja Bhai!!!

You are too clever...

Originally posted by haja

Therefore only if you read the Hindu Scripture will you understand the correct concept of God in Hinduism.



The actual sentence written by Zakir is "Thus only a dispassionate study of Hindu scriptures can help you understand the correct concept of God in Hinduism."

As I have said Zakir's intention was to degrade other religions.

Anyway, I am a so called 'hindu' and I am proud to be one.

My hatred stems from my interaction with the society and the world.   I know how great Islam is and I find that Quran is as much misinterpreted as any other scripture.  Thats why many Muslims say that Islam is the only true religion and only Muslims are fit for Salvation.

QURAN SAYS THAT A BELIEVER IS FIT FOR SALVATION.   ALLAH IS JUST A WORD.  WHAT MATTERS IS THE BELIEF IN GOD.
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Quote MOCKBA Replybullet Posted: 04 May 2005 at 1:25am

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And if you can hate 'hinduism', why can't I hate islam?

Its better to be a kafir than to be a muslim.

You are free to do what you feel like but try to get rid of the habbit of deciding what others hate and don't. I am quite indifferent with regards to 'hinduism', i neither like it nor hate it... When you make conclusions they have to be based on something solid, so far you have not learned that.

 

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Quote Alwardah Replybullet Posted: 04 May 2005 at 3:45am

Bharathija

 

You said: Zakir's only aim is to prove that Islam is the only true religion.  But I don't want to criticize Zakir on everything.  I have explained what I think is enough in "Refutation of Dr. Zakir Naik".

 

Why post on the boards refuting what he says? Why don't you take him on – a challenge in public to prove your point, that Islam is not the only true religion? He is better qualified to answer your questions than anyone of us in this forum.

 

How far is Hyderabad from Mumbai? I am sure if you invited him to a challenge in Hyderabad he will surely oblige. He is so confident in what he believes and says, are you?

 

Look at ur statement to Haja: As I have said Zakir's intention was to degrade other religions

Did Dr Zakir ever degrade other religions, or you are now mind-reading his intention?

 

Hatred only breeds more hatred.

 

Have a nice day.

“Verily your Lord is quick in punishment; yet He is indeed Oft-Forgiving Most Merciful (Surah Al-An’am 6:165)
"Indeed, we belong to Allah and to Him is our return" (Surah Baqarah 2: 155)
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Quote wasi siddiqui Replybullet Posted: 04 May 2005 at 4:11pm

bharatiya
your comment about Islam and Prophet Mohammad is quiet disturbing and just answer few of my question then you should not hate islam and Prophet Mohammad.

Question 1 : who is the one who created you ? How did u born ? can u tell me who is running this universe ?

Question 2 : Did u ever realized if you just stop breathing , who you will be facing ?

Question 3 : you said Prophet Mohammad never bother to stop the killings in the name of jihad , can u tell me what is the meaning of jihad ?

Question 4 : I being a muslim has no right to critisized hindu religion or any other religion but answer my question when a man like Pope John paul II has prayed to God for a long life , how come a monkey or cow can be a God ?

I repeat again I have just a question please don't be offended . My advance apologies for any comments .

If you find the answer get back to me here in this forum .

Allah may guide you in right direction.

 

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Quote bharatiya Replybullet Posted: 04 May 2005 at 8:30pm
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Bharathija

 

You said: Zakir's only aim is to prove that Islam is the only true religion.  But I don't want to criticize Zakir on everything.  I have explained what I think is enough in "Refutation of Dr. Zakir Naik".

 

Why post on the boards refuting what he says? Why don't you take him on – a challenge in public to prove your point, that Islam is not the only true religion? He is better qualified to answer your questions than anyone of us in this forum.



Yes buddy, I am eagerly waiting to meet him.  I may be in Mumbai next month for my personal work.  Hope I could get an appointment.

 

Well, the Truth is all religions are equal.  Different religions are like different paths to the same destination.


The word 'dispassionate' itself tells us that Zakir has some ill feeling towards 'hinduism'.

He is so confident in what he believes and says, are you?


Yes, I am lot more confident than him.  I dont know Quran at all.  But I know a lot of Bible and our own Philosophy.

 

Look at ur statement to Haja: As I have said Zakir's intention was to degrade other religions

Did Dr Zakir ever degrade other religions, or you are now mind-reading his intention?


As I have said, the use of 'dispassionate' is enough.  And he calls everyone to be a Muslim.

Hatred only breeds more hatred.


Well said.
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Quote bharatiya Replybullet Posted: 05 May 2005 at 3:24am
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Originally posted by bharatiya

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And if you can hate 'hinduism', why can't I hate islam?

Its better to be a kafir than to be a muslim.

You are free to do what you feel like but try to get rid of the habbit of deciding what others hate and don't. I am quite indifferent with regards to 'hinduism', i neither like it nor hate it... When you make conclusions they have to be based on something solid, so far you have not learned that.

 



Dear MOCKBA,

Thanx for giving me freedom.  But I am from a free country, so I need not be freed from anything.

You have as much freedom as I have
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Quote bharatiya Replybullet Posted: 05 May 2005 at 4:19am
Dear Wasi,

Originally posted by wasi siddiqui


bharatiya
your comment about Islam and Prophet Mohammad is quiet disturbing and just answer few of my question then you should not hate islam and Prophet Mohammad.


I am really sorry that I hurt your sentiments.  I didn't mean any such thing.  I just posted what I thought at that moment.

Aha.  Here we go.  At last.  The basics of every religion.

Myself being a student of Philosophy at JNU, I am really interested to answer these questions.

But I can't guarantee you that you can understand them.  Its really hard to understand our Philosophy.

But I want to know one thing, what are the attributes of Allah.  I mean, are we all and Allah different.  Or do we seem to be different but we are all one?  What is the position of Allah vis a vis the Universe.

According to our Philosophy, the sum total of all is Brahman.  God is not separate from us or vice versa.  Brahman is the sense and the sense organ.  Brahman is the beautiful, Brahman is the ugly.  Brahman is the good, Brahman is the bad.  Brahman is the word, Brahman is the grammar.

We say that Brahman is the "Sathyam, Gnanam, Anantham",  roughly translated "Existence, Consciousness, Infinity".  They are not three separate entities.  The sum of the three is Brahman.  And Life has the Consciousness part.  Thats why we are able to ask "who is God?" or any other question.

If you say that Allah is different from which is in this world, then you are considering Dualism.  And if you are considering that Allah is separate from Nature and us, then you are considering Special Monism.

Well, without you understanding this, I can move no further and answer your questions.

If you have any questions,  please feel free to ask me.

Peace and Love.
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Quote MOCKBA Replybullet Posted: 05 May 2005 at 4:21am

Originally posted by bharatiya

Originally posted by MOCKBA

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And if you can hate 'hinduism', why can't I hate islam?

Its better to be a kafir than to be a muslim.

You are free to do what you feel like but try to get rid of the habbit of deciding what others hate and don't. I am quite indifferent with regards to 'hinduism', i neither like it nor hate it... When you make conclusions they have to be based on something solid, so far you have not learned that.

 


bharatiya,

Somehow, if you noticed, i am not in a position to distribute freedoms... therefore you need not thank me for something i could not do, though appreciate your cortliness.

The concept of freedom is vague. I, without doubt, consider myself free but must admit that taking into consideration some weaknesses that i have as a human, i also, at times, excercise restraint. There similarly exist certain rules of conduct that i chose to abide by, and which in view of some, like yourself, may mean limitations to one's freedom.

Am i free to abstain from taking a bath for a year - may be yes, but those very rules of conduct istruct me not to and that instruction prevails leaving me pretty much happier and healthier in the end. I conclude that i have as much freedom as anyone else, however i prefer to reserve some... for a good cause.

  



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