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Quote bharatiya Replybullet Posted: 03 May 2005 at 1:09am
Originally posted by Suleyman

bharatiya,so wrong...you hate from the persons between u and Allah;you hate from the things in your mind between u and Allah causing wrong comments not giving u perception...please don't choose before pushing them from your mind and seeing the sky....


So deep that I am unable to understand(after all I am a kafir).
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Quote bharatiya Replybullet Posted: 03 May 2005 at 1:11am
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A Kafir better than a Muslim. HA! That doesnt make any sence! Don't be so quick to make your desicions in life. In death eavan the infedals will believe in the faith of islam when he/she are surrounded be the angels of death, but it will not be counted. The infedals grave will squeeze them very hard, angels will hit you with giant hammers, the infedals will have clothing of fire and snakes and scorpions will bite the infedal until judgment day. so you make the desicion.


Quran says that if one does not follow it, then they are kafirs.  I do not follow quran.  So I am a kafir.  And above all I am a 'hindu' aren't 'hindus'(who are killing so many muslims in Kashmir) and Jews(killing muslims) kafirs?
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Quote bharatiya Replybullet Posted: 03 May 2005 at 1:12am
Thanks Alwardah!!!

Explanation is better than criticism...

But Alwardah... only Prophet seems to be a good Muslim... Most Muslims are against everything which is non-muslim.


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Quote Alwardah Replybullet Posted: 03 May 2005 at 6:05am

Hi Bharathija

 

Are u really seeking the truth? Then look no further. You are located in India, so go seek out Dr. Zakir Naik who is well versed in the Hindu scriptures. He will soon sort you out. On the boards all we will have is a to and fro discussion. Go and meet the doctor face to face, he will answer all your questions. Yes it is very easy to criticize each other over the media, but come face to face it is a different story.

 

Maybe you don't stay in Mumbai, but far away, even so it will be worth ur while if you are really seeking the truth.

 

His website is www.irf.net

 

Take a hard look at the world around you who are the victims. ?????????

 

Need I add more,

Originally posted by bharatiya

But Alwardah... only Prophet seems to be a good Muslim... Most Muslims are against everything which is non-muslim.

I don't think you really know Muslims to make such a statement.

 

"And I shall not worship that which you are worshipping, nor will you worship that which I worship, to you be your religion and to me my religion." (Surah Al-Kafirun 109:4-6)

“Verily your Lord is quick in punishment; yet He is indeed Oft-Forgiving Most Merciful (Surah Al-An’am 6:165)
"Indeed, we belong to Allah and to Him is our return" (Surah Baqarah 2: 155)
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Quote bharatiya Replybullet Posted: 03 May 2005 at 8:20am
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Originally posted by MOCKBA

Bharathiya,

mind my observation, but it seems to me that you have started hating Islaam long before you entered this forum and began waving the flag of "peace" showering everyone with petals of "love" only to hide your fangs... looking back at your postings, you were only warming up to unleash your "points" pretending to have so much love for other religions... as i mentioned to you in one of my earlier responses, Islaam does not need to be watered down in order to make it pleasing to you and people like you... there is no pretense, there are no tricks, there is no fake there is no marketing strategy to attract masses and amass material benefit.  



I would have hated a Muslim(I pointed out many times) but never Islam.  I even quoted what my ancestors said about Islam.  Thats the reason I am here and to know whether Muslims have a similar opinion.

My hatred stems from my interaction with the society and the world.   I know how great Islam is and I find that Quran is as much misinterpreted as any scripture.  Thats why many Muslims say that Islam is the only true religion and only Muslims are fit for Salvation. 

QURAN SAYS THAT A BELIEVER IS FIT FOR SALVATION.   ALLAH IS JUST A WORD MY FRIENDS.  WHAT MATTERS IS THE BELIEF IN GOD.

I was reading about the controvery over history in Indian text books.  Scholars were saying that religious killing should not be taught as history as it may pervert the young minds.

In that they were saying that 'hindu' massacre, killing of Jews by the followers of the Prophet etc. should not be kept in the text books.

I wondered whether Muslims were against Jews from Islam's inception and I found it to be true.

Well Mockba... There is no pretense in any religion or is their any marketing strategy involved.

You are damn right.  I am a RAW agent here to sabotage this forum.

I am the most dangerous man  out there in the forum

And if you can hate 'hinduism', why can't I hate islam?

Its better to be a kafir than to be a muslim.
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Quote Mustafaa Replybullet Posted: 03 May 2005 at 8:23am

It's interesting that moderators have still not acted against this poor fool misinterpreting and insulting our Prophet (peace be upon him) in the most dreadful way.

There is no deity but Allah. Muhammad is the (last) Messenger of Allah.
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Quote haja Replybullet Posted: 03 May 2005 at 10:59am
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COMPARATIVE STUDY BETWEEN ISLAM AND HINDUISM

 

PRESENTING ISLAM TO HINDUS

Arabic Recitation (3:64)

I.       Introduction

A.       Introduction of Hinduism

1.       Definition of a Hindu

The word Hindu has geographical significance and was used originally for those people who lived beyond the river Sindhu or the region watered by the river Indus. Some historians say that it was first used by the Persians who came to India through the north western passes of the Himalayas. The word Hindu is no where mentioned in Indian literature or scriptures before the advent of Muslims to India, according to the Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics. According to Jawaharlal Nehru in the book Discovery of India on page 74-75, he writes that the earliest reference to the word Hindu can be traced to a tantrik of the 8th Century CE, where it means a people and not a follower of a particular religion. The use of the word Hindu in connection with a particular religion is of late occurrence.

In short Hindu is a geographical definition used for the people living beyond the river Indus or those living in India

2.       Definition of Hinduism

a)   Hinduism has been derived from the word Hindu. Hinduism was a name given in English language in the Nineteenth Century by the English people to the multiplicity of the beliefs and faith of the people of the Indus land. According to New Encyclopedia Britannica 20:581. The British writers in 1830 gave the word Hinduism to be used as the common name for all the beliefs of the people of India excluding the Muslims and converted Christians.

b)   The term Hinduism is misleading because though it suggests the unified system of beliefs and ideas, it is certainly not the case. Hinduism is too broad a phenomenon to be confined to a usual definitions of religions. It does not owe its origin, formation or finalization to any historical person or a prophet since there is no uniformly accepted belief sacraments, rituals and practices in Hinduism, there are no criteria for establishing rules in Hinduism. In short a person who calls himself a Hindu becomes a true practicing Hindu irrespective who he worships and what ever may be his beliefs and practice.

c)   According to the Hindu scholars Hinduism is a misnomer and it should be referred a Sanatana Dharma, meaning eternal religion or Vedic Dharma meaning religion of the Veda. According to Swami Vivekananda the followers of this religion is referred as Vedantist.

B.       Introduction of Islam

1.       Definition of Islam

Islam is an Arabic word which comes from the word ‘Salaam’ which means ‘Peace’. It also means submitting your will to Allah - the Almighty God. In short Islam means peace acquired by submitting your will to Allah (SWT).

2.       Definition of a Muslim

A Muslim is a person who submits his will to Allah - the Almighty God.

3.       Misconception about Islam

Many people have a misconception that Islam is a new religion which came into existence 1400 years ago and Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is the founder of the religion of Islam. Infact Islam is there since time immemorial, since man set foot on the earth. Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is not the founder of the religion of Islam but he is the last and final messenger of Islam.

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II. Pillars of Faith (Imaan) - Pillars of Hinduism

Pillars of Faith in Hinduism are not defined. As mentioned earlier that Hinduism does not have a set of unified or codified beliefs. Neither does it have any fixed pillars or principles which are obligatory for its followers to practice. A Hindu has a freedom to practice whatever he pleases, there is no such thing as compulsory or prohibited for him thus no act committed by a person can make him a non-Hindu. Neither omission of any act can make him a non-Hindu. However there are certain beliefs which are common to most of the Hindus. Even though it may not be agreed upon 100% by all the Hindus, we shall discuss some of them while discussing the pillars of Islam.

 

CONCEPT OF GOD IN HINDUISM

 

The most popular amongst the Aryan religion is Hinduism

1.      Common concept of God in Hinduism:

If you ask a common Hindu that how many Gods he believe in, some may say three some may say thirty three, some may say a thousand while some may say thirty three crore i.e. 330 millions. But if you ask this question to a Hindu learned man who is well Versed with the Hindu scriptures, he will reply that the Hindu should actually believe and worship only one God.

2.      Difference between Islam and Hinduism is ‘s’

(Everything is ‘God’s’ - everything is ‘God’):

The major difference between the Hindu and the Muslim is that the common Hindu believes in philosophy of Pantheism i.e. everything is God, the tree is God, the sun is God, the moon is God, the snake is God, the monkey is God, the human being is God.

The Muslims believe that everything is God’s. God with and apostrophe ‘s’. Everything belongs to God, the tree belongs to God, the sun belongs to God, the moon belongs to God, monkey belongs to God, the human being belongs to God.

Thus the major difference between the Hindus and the Muslims is the apostrophe ‘s’. The Hindu says everything is God. The Muslim says everything is God’s, God with an apostrophe ‘s’. If we can solve the difference of the apostrophe ‘s’, the Hindus and the Muslims will be united.

The Holy Qur’an says, “Come to common terms as between us and you”, which is the first term? “That we worship none but Allah”, so lets come to common terms by analyzing the scripture of the Hindus and the Muslim.

3.      Bhagwad Geeta 7:20

The most popular amongst all the Hindu scriptures is the Bhagwad Geeta. Bhagwad Geeta mentions in Chapter 7, Verse 20, “Those whose intelligence has been stolen by material desires worship demigods” that is “Those who are materialistic, they worship demigods” i.e. besides the true God.

4.      Upanishad

Upanishad are also one of the sacred scriptures of the Hindus.

(i) Chandogya Upanishad, Chapter 6, Section 2, Verse 1

It is mentioned in the Chandogya Upanishad, Prapathaka(Chapter) 6, Khanda(Section)2, Shloka(Verse) “Ekam evaditiyam”, “He is one only without a second”.

The principal Upanishad by S. Radhakrishnan, page 447 and 448(sacred books of the east Volume 1 the Upanishads, part I, page 93)

a)   (ii) Similar to what is mentioned in the Holy Qur’an in Surah Ikhlas, Chapter 112, Verse 1, “Say he is Allah one and only”.

b)    (i) Svetasvatara Upanishad, Chapter 6, Verse 9

It is mentioned in the Svetasvatara Upanishad, Adhyaya(Chapter) 6, Shloka(Verse) 9, “Na casya kascij janita na cadhipah” “Of him there is neither parents nor lord”.

na tasya kascit patir asti loke, na cesita naiva ca tasya lingam, na karanam karanadhipadhipo na casya kascij janita na cadhipah”.

“Of him there is no master in the world, no ruler, nor is there any mark of him. He is the cause, the lord of the lords of the sense organs; of him there is neither progenitor nor lord”.

(The principal Upanishad by S. Radhakrishnan page 745 and in sacred books of the east Volume 15, the Upanishads, part II, page 263)

 (ii) Similar message is given in Holy Qur’an in Surah Ikhlas, Chapter 112, Verse 3,

“He begets not, nor is he begotten”.

(i) In Svetasvatara Upanishad, Chapter 4, Verse 19

It is mentioned in Svetasvatara Upanishad, Adhyaya(Chapter) 4, Shloka(Verse) 19,

Na tasya pratima asti” “There is no likeness of him”.

nainam urdhvam na tiryancam na madhye na parijagrabhat na tasya pratima asti yasya nama mahad yasah” “There is no likeness of him whose name is great glory”.

(The principal Upanishad by S. Radhakrishnan page 736 & 737 and in sacred books of the east Volume 15, the Upanishad, part II, page 253)

c)       (ii) Similar message is given in the Holy Qur’an in Surah Ikhlas, Chapter 112, Verse 4,

“And there is none like unto him”.

c)  (iii) Surah Shura, Chapter 42, Verse 11 and also in Surah Shura, Chapter 42, Verse 11,

“There is nothing whatever like unto him”.

d)       (i) In Svetasvatara Upanishad, Chapter 4, Verse 20

It is mentioned in Svetasvatara Upanishad, Adhyaya(Chapter) 4, Shloka(Verse) 20,

na samdrse tishati rupam asya, na caksusa pasyati kas canainam” “his form cannot be seen, no one sees him with the eye”

nasamdrse tishati rupam asya, na caksusa pasyati kas canainam. Hrda hrdistham manasa ya enam, evam vidur amrtas te bhavanti

“His form is not to be seen; no one sees him with the eye. Those who through heart and mind know him as abiding in the heart become immortal”.

(The principal Upanishad by S. Radhakrishnan page 737 & in sacred books of the east Volume 15, the Upanishad part II, page 253)

e)       (ii) Similar message is given in the Holy Qur’an in Surah Anam, Chapter 6, Verse 103,

“No vision can grasp him. But his grasp is over all vision: he is above all comprehension, yet is acquainted with all things”.

5.  Yajurveda

     Vedas are the most sacred amongst all the Hindu scriptures, there are principally 4 Vedas, Rigved, Yajurved, Samved and Atharvaved.

a) Yajurveda, Chapter 32, Verse 3

     It is mentioned in Yajurved, Chapter 32, Verse 3

     na tasya pratima asti” “There is no image of Him”

      It further says as “He is unborn, He deserves our worship”

“There is no image of him whose glory verily is great. He sustains within himself all luminous objects like the sun etc. may he not harm me, this is my prayer. As he is unborn, he deserves our worship”.

      (The Yajurveda by Devi Chand M.A. page 377)

b) Yajurveda, Chapter 40, Verse 8 

      It is mentioned in Yajurved, Chapter 40, Verse 8, “He is body less and pure”

“He hath attained unto the bright, bodiless, woundless, sinewless, the pure which evil hath not pierced. Far-sighted wise, encompassing, he self existent hath prescribed aims as propriety demands unto the everlasting years”

      (Yajurveda Samhita by Ralph I.H. Griffith page 538)

c) Yajurveda, Chapter 40, Verse 9 

     It is mentioned in Yajurved, Chapter 40, Verse 9

     Andhatma pravishanti ye asambhuti mupaste

     “They enter darkness, those who worship natural things” For e.g. air, water, fire etc.

It further continues and says, “They sink deeper in darkness those who worship Sambhuti i.e. created things”, For example table, chair, idol etc.

“Deep into shade of blinding gloom fall asambhuti’s worshippers. They sink to darkness deeper yet who on sambhuti are intent”

(Yajurveda Samhita by Ralph T.H. Griffith page 538)

6.   Atharvaveda

a) (i) Atharvaveda, Book 20, Hymn (Chapter) 58, Verse 3

      It is mentioned in Atharvaveda, Book 20, Hymn (Chapter) 58, Verse 3

      Dev maha osi” “God is verily great”

      “Verily, surya, thou art great; truly, aditya, thou art great. As thou art great indeed thy greatness is admired: yea, verily, great art thou, O God”

      (Atharvaveda Samhiti Volume 2, William Dwight Whitney page 910)

a) (ii)  Surah Rad, Chapter 13, Verse 9     

      A similar message is given in Qur’an Surah Rad, Chapter 13, Verse 9,

      “He is the Great, the most High.”

7.      Rigveda

      The most oldest and sacred amongst all the Vedas is Rigveda.

a)   Rigveda, Book No.1, Hymn No. 164, Verse 46

      It is mentioned in Rigveda Book no.1, Hymn no.164 Verse 46                               

      “Sages (learned Priest) call one God by many names”

“They have styled (Him, God or the sun) indra (the resplendent), mitra (the surveyor), varuna (the venerable), agni (the adorable), and he is the celestial, well-winged garutmat (the great), for learned priests call one by many names as they speak of the adorable as yama (ordainer) and matarisvan (cosmic breath)”.

b) (i) Rigveda, Book 2, Hymn 1      

Rigveda gives no less than 33 different attributes to Almighty God several of these attributes are mentioned in Rigveda, Book 2, Hymn 1

b) (ii) Brahma - Creator - Khaliq, Rigveda Book 2, Hymn 1, Verse 3       

Amongst the various attributes given in Rigveda one of the beautiful attributes for Almighty God is ‘Brahma’. ‘Brahma’ means ‘the creator’. If you translate into Arabic it means ‘Khaliq’. We Muslims have got no objection if you call Almighty God a ‘Khaliq’ or ‘Creator’ or ‘Brahma’ but if someone says that ‘Brahma’ is Almighty God who has got 4 heads and on each head is a crown and he has got 4 hands. We Muslims take strong except to it because you are giving an image to Almighty God. Moreover you are going against Yajurveda, Chapter 32, Verse 3, which says,

Na tasya pratima asti” ‘”There is no image of him”

b) (iii) Vishnu - Sustainer - Rabb: Rigveda, Book II, Hymn 1, Verse 3

Another beautiful attribute mentioned in the Rigveda, Book II, Hymn 1, Verse 3, is Vishnu, ‘Vishnu’ means ‘the Sustainer’. If you translate into Arabic it means ‘Rabb’, we Muslims have no objection if anyone call Almighty God as ‘Rabb’ or ‘Sustainer’ or ‘Vishnu’ but if someone says Vishnu is Almighty God who has got 4 arms. One of the right arm holding the ‘Chakra’ i.e. a discus and one of the left arms holding a ‘Conch shell’ and he is riding on a bird or reclining on a snake couch. We Muslims take strong exception to this, because you are giving an image to Almighty God. Moreover you are going against Yajurveda, Chapter 40, Verse 8.

c)   Rigveda, Book 8, Hymn 1, Verse 1      

      It is mentioned in Rigveda, Book 8, Hymn 1, Verse 1

      Ma Chidanyadia Shansata

      “Do not worship anybody but Him, the divine one Praise Him alone”

Ma cid anyad vi sansata sakhayo ma rishanyata in dram it stota vrishanam saca sute muhaur uktha ca sansata”.

“O friends, do not worship anybody but Him, the divine one. Let no grief perturb you.  Praise Him alone, the radiant, the showerer of benefits. During the course of self-realization, go on repeatedly uttering Hymns in His honour”.

(Rigveda Samhiti, Volume IX, page 1 and 2 by Swami Satyaprakash Sarasvati and Satyakam Vidhya Lankar)

d) (i) Rigveda, Book 5, Hymn 81, Verse 1   

      It is mentioned in Rigveda, Book 5, Hymn 81, Verse 1,

“Verily great is the glory of the divine creator”

(Rigveda Samhiti, Volume 6, page 1802 and 1803 by Swami Satya Prakash Saraswati and Satyakam Vidhyalanka)

d) (ii)  Surah Fateha, Chapter 1, Verse 2

      Similar message is given in the Holy Qur’an In Surah Fateha, Chapter 1, Verse 2,

      “Praise be to Allah, the Cherisher and Sustainer of the worlds”.      

e) (i)   Rigveda, Book 3, Hymn 34, Verse 1 

It is mentioned in Rigveda, Book 3, Hymn 34, Verse 1

“The bounteous giver”

(Hymns of Rigveda, Volume 2, page 377, by Ralph T.H. Griffith)

e) (ii)  Surah Fateha, Chapter 1, Verse 3

       Same as Surah Fateha, Chapter 1, Verse 3,  “Most Gracious, most merciful”       

f) (i) Yajurveda, Chapter 40, Verse 160    

       It is mentioned in Yajurveda, Chapter 40, Verse 16

       “Lead us to the good path and remove the sin that makes us stray and wonder”

“By goodly path lead us to riches, Agni, thou God who knowest all our works and wisdom. Remove the sin that makes us astray and wander: most ample adoration will we bring thee”

        (The Yajurveda Samhiti by Ralph T.H Griffith Page 541)

f) (ii) Surah Fateha, Chapter 1, Verse 6 and 7     

      Similar message is given in       Surah Fateha, Chapter 1, Verse 6 and 7

“Show us the straight way, the way of those on whom thou has bestowed thy grace, those whose (portion) is not wrath. And who go not astray”.

 

g)     Rigveda, Book No VI, Hymn 45, Verse 16

  It is mentioned in Rigveda, Book VI, Hymn 45, Verse 16

  Ya eka ittamushtuhi

  “Praize Him who is the matchless and alone.”

  (Hymns of Rigveda by Ralph T.H. Griffith page 648)

8.   Brahma Sutra of Hindu Vedanta

The Brahma Sutra of Hindu Vedanta is:

Ekam Brahm, dvitiya naste nen na naste kinchan

Bhagwan ek hi hai dusara nahi hai, nahi hain nahi hai zara bhi nahi hai.”

“There is only one God, not the second, not at all, not in the least bit.”

Therefore only if you read the Hindu Scripture will you understand the correct concept of God in Hinduism.

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