Active TopicsActive Topics  Display List of Forum MembersMemberlist  CalendarCalendar  Search The ForumSearch  HelpHelp
  RegisterRegister  LoginLogin  Old ForumOld Forum  Twitter  Facebook
Advertisement:
         

General Discussion
 IslamiCity Forum - Islamic Discussion Forum : General : General Discussion
Message Icon Topic: Irshad Manji Post Reply Post New Topic
<< Prev Page  of 4 Next >>
Author Message
Shams Zaman
Male Islam
Senior Member
Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: 20 March 2005
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 135
Quote Shams Zaman Replybullet Posted: 06 May 2005 at 3:12pm

As said by Brother Nadir: (Quote)

When a Muslim family immigrates to a western country they do so (and are) largely unawares of, the way that particular society ‘teaches/trains/conditions’ it’s people. This may result in parents correctly teaching their children (Islam), however if they are oblivious to the ways their children are been manipulated (by the society at large), they may be unaware of how to overcome that manipulation.

That's true but yet there are other reasons. Actually I live in Pakistan which got independence in 1947 from the British. Similarly lot of Arab countries remained under the foreign occupation tii the end of WW-2. The West continued what Muslims did earlier that was to seek advancement in science and technology. This occupation and advancement caused some of Muslims to suffer from inferiority complex. So once west started to criticize Islam or Islamic customs and beliefs these persons ashamed of their Islamic belifs while hungry for respect in the Westren circles, not only adopted apologetic stance but also started to criticize Islam in a unique fashion.

They even went to extent where being a Lesbian (for Irshad Manji), bearing an illegitamate child (by Isra Nomani), leading a mixed congergation (for Amina Wadood) or being a gay (For Asma Gul Hasan) was perfectly alright for a Muslim.

Secondly they say that they believe in the life in the hereafter but their actions speaks that they consider it as a cock and bull story. Because had it been the case they would have prefered the etarnal life over this worldly life.

Shams Zaman   Pakistan. 

smszmn72@yahoo.cm
IP IP Logged
ummziba
Female  Islam
Senior Member
Senior  Member
Avatar

Joined: 16 March 2005
Location: Canada
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 1158
Quote ummziba Replybullet Posted: 07 May 2005 at 4:08am

Brother Shams you have 'hit' me with a great truth that I had previously not contemplated. The idea that someone can want to be so much like those they admire instead of who they really are!  This is a good explanation for why some of the Muslims might have turned from the ummah and begun to criticize.

This is probably a fairly common human condition.  I now consider my own father.  Born in Canada of immigrant parents.  Married a 'white' english speaking lady.  Moved to the 'white' english speaking end of the city.  Raised his 'white' english speaking family and hung out with his 'white' english speaking friends.  In doing this he has denied his children and their children part of their heritage, a second language and a culture to be proud of.  Now I see how easy it can be for humans to reject what and who they are to try so hard to be something/someone that they admire instead!

Thank you for the insight!  And may Allah save us all from the sins of envy and self-loathing.

Peace, ummziba.

Sticks and stones may break my bones, but your words...they break my soul ~
IP IP Logged
ummziba
Female  Islam
Senior Member
Senior  Member
Avatar

Joined: 16 March 2005
Location: Canada
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 1158
Quote ummziba Replybullet Posted: 20 May 2005 at 2:00pm

Assalamu alaikum,

Irshad Manji is at it again!  Of all the Muslims in Canada, the Toronto Star newspaper chose to run an opinion piece by her on the alleged desecration of the Qur'an by Americans.  This is just one of her quotes:

"One can appreciate the Qur'an's inherent worth, as I do, while recognizing that it contains ambiguities, inconsistencies, outright contradictions - and the possibility of human editing."

Good grief!!!

The whole article can be found at www.thestar.com.  Type in "Riots and rage won't salvage Islam's honour" in the 7 day search bar (the article appeared on May 19).  Click on the one with that title that says [opinion] beside it.

*Note: you might have to become a member to log in and read the article (it is free), though they used to allow you so many "free" reads before asking that you become a member.

Peace, ummziba.

Sticks and stones may break my bones, but your words...they break my soul ~
IP IP Logged
Suleyman
 
Senior Member
Senior  Member


Joined: 10 March 2003
Location: Turkey
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 3324
Quote Suleyman Replybullet Posted: 21 May 2005 at 12:26am

Es_Selam'un Aleykum Brother ShamsZaman,

 Congratulations!,wise words...

IP IP Logged
Matt Browne
Male Christian
Senior Member
Senior  Member
Avatar

Joined: 19 April 2010
Location: Germany
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 866
Quote Matt Browne Replybullet Posted: 06 November 2012 at 6:38am
I'm impressed by Irshad Manji's capability for critical thinking, independent thought, and rejection of blind submission and mindless repetition of dogma.

A great sign of hope!



Edited by Matt Browne - 06 November 2012 at 6:39am
A religion that's intolerant of other religions can't be the world's best religion --Abdel Samad
Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds discuss events. Small minds discuss people--Eleanor Roosevelt
IP IP Logged
abuayisha
 
Senior Member
Senior  Member
Avatar

Joined: 05 October 1999
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 4379
Quote abuayisha Replybullet Posted: 06 November 2012 at 7:07am
Muslim "reformer" and lesbian activist......A great sign of hope?
IP IP Logged
Reepicheep
 
Senior Member
Senior Member


Joined: 06 November 2006
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 321
Quote Reepicheep Replybullet Posted: 06 November 2012 at 3:07pm
Originally posted by Matt Browne

I'm impressed by Irshad Manji's capability for critical thinking, independent thought, and rejection of blind submission and mindless repetition of dogma.

A great sign of hope!
 
I attended one of her talks here in Edmonton a few years back, excellent speaker.  She took a short 10 minute break halfway through her talk, where she played a tape of some of the messages that have been left on her answering maching.  The messages were hilarious in their ignorance, I don't think any of the people who left the messages have ever been accused of being too smart... 
IP IP Logged
abuayisha
 
Senior Member
Senior  Member
Avatar

Joined: 05 October 1999
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 4379
Quote abuayisha Replybullet Posted: 06 November 2012 at 3:55pm
History is replete with excellent speakers some moral and others immoral, however always nice to have an entertaining speaker to make us roar with laughter.
IP IP Logged
<< Prev Page  of 4 Next >>
Post Reply Post New Topic
Printable version Printable version

Forum Jump
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot create polls in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum

Disclaimer:
The opinions expressed herein contain positions and viewpoints that are not necessarily those of IslamiCity. This forum is offered to stimulate dialogue and discussion in our continuing mission of being an educational organization.
If there is any issue with any of the postings please email to icforum at islamicity.com or if you are a forum's member you can use the report button.

Note: The 99 names of Allah avatars are courtesy of www.arthafez.com

Advertisement:



Sponsored by:
Islamicity Membership Program:
IslamiCity Donation Program  http://www.islamicity.com/Donate
IslamiCity Arabic eLearning http://www.islamiCity.com/ArabAcademy
Complete Domain & Hosting Solutions www.icDomain.com
Home for Muslim Tunes www.icTunes.com
Islamic Video Collections www.islamiTV.com
IslamiCity Marriage Site www.icMarriage.com