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Quote Angel Replybullet Posted: 20 November 2006 at 3:27am
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Overall, the population that eats pigs or any other animal that snatches its food do become brutal. Such a population loses patience and grabs anything that comes its way for its own interest. It stops thinking about others. Some of the people in that population might not act in that manner but overall the population does become brutal.

Absurd!

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Quote Angel Replybullet Posted: 20 November 2006 at 3:48am
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No offense Candid, ok

Originally posted by candid

As far as I know, it is forbidden in Islam to eat such animals because it is thought that those who eat them will also start behaving like those animals (i.e, will also start acting greedily and snatching what belongs to others.)

Everytime I see this i have to laugh, its just a funny concept.

Has anyone seen such people who eat pork act as such ??

Historically, there seems to be strong correlation if you compare the behavior of Muslim and the Christian conquerors in the past. Christians were more brutal.

why do you pick these two groups only to compare?

Europeans do have tradition of eating pork. You can check.

Yes I know and in some european countries the pig is a good luck charm. I left them out because europe is part of the western world.

Even compared to other non-muslims such as Mongols and Persians, Muslims were less brutal.

Do you think you can get off this notion about being brutal and eating pig? or any animal that snatches food. Because it is false. Look around you today and those that eat pork.  

You are grasping at straws to validate not eating pork supposedly making you brutal or violent.

I gave you other animals that people eat. eskimos hunt and eat seal it is their staple diet, they clubber the seal on the head, brutal I say  but eskimos are not known to eat pork, and yet are gentle people apart from clubbing the seal to death   

What about those that eat rabbit (and not eat pork), go and hunt them in traps or shoot them ? what about deer?

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 And how many of those conquers do you KNOW that ate pork? none I suppose. 

I did not understand your question.

You say that the christian conquers were more brutal and my question is:

How many of those conquers do you know that ate pork?



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Quote Angel Replybullet Posted: 20 November 2006 at 4:07am
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Originally posted by Reepicheep

If I understand this thread correctly, muslims here are claiming that, according to the koran, humans take on the characteristics of any animals that they eat.

For example, chickens have a reputation for being timid and fearful, and they eat their own droppings.  Therefore, according to Islamic law, any Muslim who eats chicken is a coward who eats human excrement.

What is the punishment, according to Islamic law, for eating chicken???

Which Muslim said that the Quran says so?

I believe amah that reepicheep got his notion from Candid who mentioned this (below) in his first post which by the way Candid did not mention qu'ran  so that was a mistake on reepi's side.

Originally posted by candid

As far as I know, it is forbidden in Islam to eat such animals because it is thought that those who eat them will also start behaving like those animals (i.e, will also start acting greedily and snatching what belongs to others.)

But Candid has not brought evidence from islam about it thou, and I am in the middle of conversing with him that it is absurd he is trying to make it valid that those who eat pork are brutal.

So in a counter balance reepicheep brought the chicken point and asked about islams position on it.

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Quote Sign*Reader Replybullet Posted: 20 November 2006 at 1:37pm
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which a pork lover may never do.

again, absurd.

Quoting an incomplete text indicates that you own the the rights to the absurdity. I said as follow:

Whereas the Islam's requires the normal believer to do certain rituals to curb all the listed conditions and create a personality of modesty, temperance, sacrifice, passion, peace, charitableness and humility by salah, fasting and zkat and Hajj as appropriate which a pork lover may never do.

You thought you knew better about the state of moral turpitude of the pork eating people in orient or occident, you asked for it you will got it:

the real scenarios and say how they jive with my statement

  Majority out of wedlock/illegitimate births in European countries

  Child rapes

  Catholic Preachers molesting boys in US (there being no uproar from the laity for paying out millions in settlements cuz they would do the same if they could get away)

Ted Haggard resigned as president of the influential National Association of Evangelicals, an umbrella group representing more than45,000 churches with 30 million member after getting exposed. Go have some more pork now!
cus he was closet druggie and homosexual while married. It is the greatest example of hypocrisies of these Evangelicals working against   Islam like you.

Remember another one JImmy Swaggert getting caught with prostitutes!

Alcoholism,

Drug addiction,

Gang banging,

Porn industry head quartered in San Fernando valley California,

Gambling

Open(legal or otherwise) prostitution, European prostitutes flooding ME

Mate swapping;

Child molesters traveling to the orient/India for cheap availability of the child prostitutes.

Do you want more



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Quote Reepicheep Replybullet Posted: 20 November 2006 at 8:00pm

So, Sign*Reader, just to confirm what you are claiming...

You are saying that it is a core Muslim belief that people take on the behavioral characteristics of any animals they eat.

For example, you believe that any Muslim who eats chicken is a coward who eats human excrement. 

Correct?

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Quote Sign*Reader Replybullet Posted: 20 November 2006 at 10:10pm
Originally posted by Reepicheep

So, Sign*Reader, just to confirm what you are claiming...

You are saying that it is a core Muslim belief that people take on the behavioral characteristics of any animals they eat.

For example, you believe that any Muslim who eats chicken is a coward who eats human excrement. 

Correct?


No it is not part of Muslim belief, it is my own observation.
What the Muslims have been told? Don't eat it just like the Israelites. Nothing new!
Why are you so hung up on chicken n shit? fetish-like!
You need to start thread on chicken if you like!
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Quote Angel Replybullet Posted: 21 November 2006 at 12:27am
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which a pork lover may never do.

again, absurd.

Quoting an incomplete text indicates that you own the the rights to the absurdity. I said as follow:

I know exactly what you said! you showed a list of what normal believer (muslims or anyone) is, those who do not eat pork are modest, temperance, sacifice, passion, peace, charitableness and are humility (and for muslims) by salah, fasting, sakat and hajj. (Take away the islamic activities) You are saying that pork lovers are not modest, temperancec, sacifice, passion, peace, charitable and humility. AND I say it is absurd! and I will say it till I am blue inthe face, because there is nothing supporting it, nor nothing supporting or showing that those who are eating pork act like the animals or do those horrible acts you listed in your scenarios!

Am I a pig because I eat pork and enjoy it when I have it. Am I not charitable or have humilty and is peaceful??, that is what you are saying about me and many other people who eat pork. I brought stuff to counter act you. I am sorry that you are not happy with but I am not happy that you are being insulting towards me because i like pork and saying that I am or do those things you listed. 

I pointed out so many things in opposing when speaking to Candid, go and read. 

Whereas the Islam's requires the normal believer to do certain rituals to curb all the listed conditions and create a personality of modesty, temperance, sacrifice, passion, peace, charitableness and humility by salah, fasting and zkat and Hajj as appropriate which a pork lover may never do.

You thought you knew better about the state of moral turpitude of the pork eating people in orient or occident, you asked for it you will got it:

Well I am one that eats pork and know many others, don't you think I am best to say to you otherwise?? All of your senarios just don't happen to those who eat pork!

And anyway, what do you know of their eating habits - have you been invited to dinner??

Those who know me here know that I do not or am not what you say!

I am using me as an example, which I am pretty much putting myself on the line here for ridicule

Sign reader, your intelligent enough to know better. I am surprised that you are pressing the bad/unmoral/sinful behaviour onto those who eat pork.

 



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Quote candid Replybullet Posted: 21 November 2006 at 12:36am

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 And how many of those conquers do you KNOW that ate pork? none I suppose. 

I did not understand your question.

You say that the christian conquers were more brutal and my question is:

How many of those conquers do you know that ate pork?

I see.

Let me put it this way. There were many conquerors in the past who ate pork. However, I only consider Europeans vs Muslims, because these are the only 2 groups who dominated the world as much as they did. Comparing the two does give a good perspective as to how eating pork affects the behavior of the population.

There were other conqerors too who ate pork, but it is difficult to compare them with Muslims because their issues were much different.

Its like you can compare TV of different brands, but you cannot compare a TV with radio.

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