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Quote ZamanH Replybullet Posted: 14 March 2005 at 9:56pm

As Salaam Alaikum,

First of all, my apologies for diverting from the original topic of this thread. This will be my last post in this thread.

I know that large number (though, not many) of the Muslims in India are unchaste, I don't accept that most of them are unchaste. It was earlier stated in this thread that it is difficult to find chaste men. I thought that was said about Muslims in the West (probably, by a Muslim settled in the West), as consuption of wine and illicit (islamically) sex are widespred (or rampant) in the Western "culture".

Also, I would like to clarify that I am not a xenophobe. I believe that the system of democracy as practised in the West (or a modified form of it) should be adopted by the Muslims.

I don't know much about Mr. Abduh (other than that he was a sufi), I certainly know he was not a prophet. As for the city of Mumbai (Bombay), it is the most westernized cosmopolitan city of India, and what Semar has said about Muslims there, is true only for upper-class Muslim society which has highly westernized itself in the recent years (they speak in English among themselves and wear Western clothes).

It is interesting, that those who oppose greater unity among Muslims, citing cultural, regional and "religious" differences, believe "it is not right to generalise muslims according to their region".

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Quote chastebeauty Replybullet Posted: 15 March 2005 at 4:09am

Salam!

I am so dissapointed in your response to the topic........this is what is taking we muslims backward busy carried away in unecessary things.Finally we got a website to share islam, yet we turn it into a room for critism.Authubillah!!!

I posted the question and i got my answer Alhamdulillah from Nausheen. Pls i would like a request to delete my topic cos it seems its leading to more personal details especially the region classification which i am not happy about..infact one of u "Semar to be specific"  mentioned my origin having bad people  ...at first u made sense that bad pple are everywhere ...But at the end u ended up contracdicting yourself mentioning places that are not even related to the person u r challenging,this is no site for politics or world news.

Pls mind ur words ..its a very small and short world.

Finally, Africa, America, Asia, wherever you both wanna mention I don't care but the fact is, none of u got my point which is to clarify my understanding with the verse and I guess the topic clearly explains it.

So please spare this site.

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Quote Suleyman Replybullet Posted: 15 March 2005 at 11:34am
Originally posted by Nausheen

Auzubillahi minash shaitan ir rajeem,

Bismillah ir rehman ir rahim,

It is not right to generalise muslims according to their region.

There are many muslims in India who are not chaste, and may allah show them guidance.

 Es_Selam'un Aleykum ve Rahmetullahi ve Berakatuh,

 Adding to your sentences;we have seen so many respected scholars from India which they made us admired to this religion...the problem is not on the origin...Wa Salaam....

 

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Quote fezziwig Replybullet Posted: 15 March 2005 at 12:30pm
Chastity, like licentiousness, is in the mind. And watch what you say. To quote Rochfaucauld: "A virtuous wife (spouse) is like a Great Treasure: best kept hidden".

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Quote semar Replybullet Posted: 16 March 2005 at 6:37pm
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"...In these present days you hardly find chaste men..."

 

That is certainly not true for Muslim men in India. You seem to be talking about Muslims settled in the West. The prevalence of lechery among "Muslims" settled in the West is invariably due to the influence of the Western "culture". I have heard that the first-generation of Muslims settled in the West lose their culture; the second generation of them, their language and the third generation, their religion.

I didn't say that India was bad, I love Dr. Zakir Naik, Dr. Nejatullah Siddiqui, also I love Dr. Muzamil Siddiqui that originated from India.

I just wanted to say that "in every community muslims, christians, jewish, hindus, budhist, no mater where they are, in the west or east, north or south there are good and bad followers. Good mean practicing their religion teaching, bad mean ignoring it.

Yes in different area have different challenges, but we don't need to much worry about that, because Allah says he doesn't see the result but the effort.



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Quote ZamanH Replybullet Posted: 16 March 2005 at 8:54pm
Originally posted by chastebeauty

Finally, Africa, America, Asia, wherever you both wanna mention I don't care but the fact is, none of u got my point which is to clarify my understanding with the verse and I guess the topic clearly explains it.

Please pardon me for posting again on this thread.

But, you shouldn't have said

"...In these present days you hardly find chaste men..."

That was inaccurate. Believe me, that is not true in India. How would you feel if I say there are very few chaste Muslim women on the basis that I believe most of the women in my place happen to be unchaste.??

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Quote chastebeauty Replybullet Posted: 04 April 2005 at 7:43pm

Salam Zaman!

You really choose your course of action which is allowed, just like the way I am acting upon what i hear and see. Even If all the men in India were chaste,India is just how many percent of world's population and it hasn't changed my words " In these present days you hardly find chaste men". After all I didn't say there are no chaste men ok?

If you happen to be surrounded my those men, Alhamdulillah and lucky you.

Once again that was an additional comment expressing my concern for misunderstanding the verse.

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Quote Nausheen Replybullet Posted: 04 April 2005 at 9:09pm

Originally posted by chastebeauty

If all the men in India were chaste,India is just how many percent of world's population

Every 6th human on earth is an Indian. India is the second largest population after China. - and the gap is closing very fast ...

This does not mean you start packing your bags for India, in your pursuit of a chaste man My comments are only for statistics

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