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Posted: 23 July 2006 at 8:27pm

brother there are, not one, but many hindu nationalists out here in india, aren't they?

but let me tell you for every nationalist hindu there are a million hindus who are against him.

gujrat's cm or tagodia do not represent the hindu community. they don't even know what hindu means, if they know they wouldn't be using it. they wouldn't be using a foreign word for 'their' religion.

brother pakistan and india are completely different regarding their constitutional structure. in pakistan the state and religion go hand in hand. in india the state and the religion are two different things. the state does not control the religion, and the religion does not control the state. india has been secular and will be secular.

people like bhartiya are few in number. its meaningless to bother about them.

hindus do not bother about religion. they just get irritated when their fellow muslims support pakistan. thats all.

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Posted: 29 August 2006 at 4:00pm

Originally posted by s666

gujrat's cm or tagodia do not represent the hindu community. they don't even know what hindu means, if they know they wouldn't be using it. they wouldn't be using a foreign word for 'their' religion.

WOW...U elect people and then say they do not represent you...Very Nice

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Posted: 29 August 2006 at 4:10pm

Who says muslims don't denounce terrorism. Check this:
http://in.rediff.com/news/2006/aug/18sheela1.htm

Why are news like these not read by peeple? Why don't they make to headlines?

Muslims make as many efforts as others do, so stop accusing for not doing anything

Edited by a_muslim

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Posted: 31 August 2006 at 9:43pm

Originally posted by a_muslim

WOW...U elect people and then say they do not represent you...Very Nice

bjp is not everywhere brother and now its fast declining. those people are lost souls. they are as far away as al queda is.

Originally posted by a_muslim

Who says muslims don't denounce terrorism. Check this:
http://in.rediff.com/news/2006/aug/18sheela1.htm

Why are news like these not read by peeple? Why don't they make to headlines?

Muslims make as many efforts as others do, so stop accusing for not doing anything

who said that indian muslims support terrorism?

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Posted: 28 December 2006 at 5:03am

Originally posted by bharatiya

Hello all the Indian Muslims here!!!

-----hi bhartiya

Why did you choose to live in India even after partition?

---I love your innocence,it was optional choice for both sides

plz check the books..the division was made on geographical basis

Just to tell the whole world that Hindus are communals and Hinduism is a farce? If Hinduism is a farce, let it be. It does not matter to you.

--no ,hindus are not communal,they are as good or bad as others.

If you feel that you are being ill treated in India, then why dont you leave India?

---why you insist on leaving dear?it seems you have some probs,whereas we muslims dont.

The percentage of Hindus in Pakistan and Bangladesh after partition in 1947 was 17 and 25 respectively. Today their percentage is almost nil in Pakistan and 10.5 in Bangladesh. What happened to the missing Hindus? Do Hindus have human rights?

-----this question you should better ask to foreign affairs deptt.but before that dont forget to confirm the figures and the causes by amnesty report.

The problem is in a muslim mindset. If you are in majority, you will make it a Islamic Republic. And if you seem to be a minority, you proclaim to the world that you are being ill treated and that jihad has to be declared on that country...

-------you are talking abt muslim mindset,islamic republic and jihad.

I am really keen to know what do you mean by these terms.

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Posted: 28 December 2006 at 5:35am

Originally posted by bharatiya

Just read this,

In India 85% of the population is Hindu. If Hindus are intolerant, how come Masjids and Madrasas are thriving? How come Muslims are offering Namaz on the road? How come Muslims are proclaiming five times a day on loudspeakers that there is no God except Allah? --great
When Hindus gave away 30% of Bharat to the Muslims for a song, why do they have to beg now for their three sacred places out of thirty thousand destroyed by the Muslims?
AMAZING FAKT ,will you plz give the reference for above
When the Constitution of India advocates equal rights to all the citizens, then why do we have different laws for people of different religious faiths? Why can't we have a Uniform Civil Code?
will you plz tell me the difference between personal laws and civil laws
When Haj pilgrims are given subsidy, why Hindu pilgrims to Amarnath, Sabarimalai and Kailash Mansarover are taxed?
Evidence again plz,if you take one ticket the airline will charge you more but if you book the entire plane you would be given discount in the form of susidy,or else suggest the govt to free hajj house to charter any airlines as per their wish and see the response from air india.
Why are the temple revenues diverted to fund Haj subsidy and the welfare activities of Muslims and Christians?
i m sure now you are a regular reader of ''panjanya''.these kind of facts are regularly published in this monthly magazine.
Why is post-Godhra blown out of proportion, when no one talks of the ethnic cleansing of four lakh Hindus from Kashmir?
many speaks against those if you can listen.
If Muslims & Christians are minorities in Maharashtra, UP, Bihar, etc. are Hindus not minorities in J&K, Mizoram, Nagaland, Arunachal Pradesh, Meghalaya, etc.? Why are Hindus denied minority rights in these states?
what are those minority rights muslims enjoying in these states and what are th ose rights not given to hindus in north eastern states.
In what way is J&K different from Maharashtra, Tamil Nadu or Uttar Pradesh to have Article 370?
yes these states dont have border disputes with other nations.plz go ahead and read article 371,372 to know more about the spcl status of a state.
Is there one Mullah or Maulvi who has declared a 'fatwa' against terrorists?
yes here is one,if you ask i ll post more: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1820782.cms
Why did Gandhiji object to the decision of the cabinet and insist that the Somnath Temple should be reconstructed out of public funds, not government funds, when in January 1948 he pressurised Nehru and Patel to carry on renovation of the mosques of Delhi at government expenses?
even if it is done,it was wrong to renovate mosque by govt fund.Any bldgs of heritage value is being looked after by govt deptt and this is not for mosque but temples,churches and all.
When Christian and Muslim schools can teach Bible and Quran, why Hindus cannot teach Gita or Ramayan?
oh..who stops them..havent you seen shishu mandirs run by RSS.

Why do you people consider anything pro-hindu as anti-Islamic?

we never consider but in reverse may i ask you why you support any anti muslim propaganda as pro hindu.

We never ask them to prove their loyalty.

same here,...we never want to prove ourselves.India is as dear to us as to any indian.dont you mark we sleep in its lap even after death.

If they really have, they would respect his fellow 'hindu' or Sikh or Christian.

yes we respect them and our religion teaches us to behave in good manner with our neighbours.read it:

"Worship Allah, and join not any partners with Him; and do good- to parents, kinsfolk, orphans, those in need, neighbours who are near, neighbours who are strangers, the Companion by your side, the wayfarer (you meet), and what your right hands possess; For Allah loves not the arrogant, the vainglorious". (4:36).

peace

Edited by raushan

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Posted: 03 March 2007 at 5:21pm

Originally posted by bharatiya

To Zaman Brother,

You were saying that Mughals made India the richest country in the world. India was the only producer of diamonds for centuries. In the words of a Chinese traveller, "India is so rich that I haven't seen a single beggar in the whole length I travelled..."

Muslims were lured by those riches. India was a naval power before the Mughals came. They were interested in travelling only to Mecca.

Dear Bhartiya, Know the history of India first. Which chinese and hwen he told it? unless you be more clear about the time and identity hard to comment on that.

But for now; Morya, Arya, Gupta, Pal, Ashoka all of the people who ruled india unfortunately were out siders, came from the same region generally from where the Mughals and all Muslim rulers came from. But the hindus will only call the muslims outsiders. It was the Muslims many of whom have taken and many have enriched india. What you can boast of today in india of your heritage are all made by Muslims.

If you think your religion is bul*****and try to nationalism your religion, that's your problem, Muslims have faith in their religion and if religion is for eternel life even for hinduism how can nationalism come over it? Submitting to God does not mean someone is disloyal to his country but that definitely cant come above God in any religion, unless you abandon religion. That you may chose to do, not muslims.

Muslims are in different good position in India, that is not on ur mercy, by their capacity, hard earned, if they had equal opportunity; they would even be better.

Just you have got education and could get rid of the curse of lower cast, don't be selfish and start painting picture like others have done for ages, still their are cursed casts in many parts of india, that's not a political slogan only.

"Al-Quran-The only Straight path to success. Alhamdulillah"

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Posted: 18 March 2007 at 6:48am

nu001 wrote:-------Just you have got education and could get rid of the curse of lower cast, don't be selfish and start painting picture like others have done for ages, still their are cursed casts in many parts of india, that's not a political slogan only.

Agreed with you nu001, this guy...bharatiya, need to wakeup!!!...Poor soul, he must be in a dazzzzzzze.

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s666 Senior Member Joined: 07 June 2006 Location: India Online Status: Offline Posts: 214	Posted: 23 July 2006 at 8:27pm
	brother there are, not one, but many hindu nationalists out here in india, aren't they? but let me tell you for every nationalist hindu there are a million hindus who are against him. gujrat's cm or tagodia do not represent the hindu community. they don't even know what hindu means, if they know they wouldn't be using it. they wouldn't be using a foreign word for 'their' religion. brother pakistan and india are completely different regarding their constitutional structure. in pakistan the state and religion go hand in hand. in india the state and the religion are two different things. the state does not control the religion, and the religion does not control the state. india has been secular and will be secular. people like bhartiya are few in number. its meaningless to bother about them. hindus do not bother about religion. they just get irritated when their fellow muslims support pakistan. thats all.
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a_muslim Starter Joined: 29 August 2006 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 2	Posted: 29 August 2006 at 4:00pm
	*Originally posted by s666* gujrat's cm or tagodia do not represent the hindu community. they don't even know what hindu means, if they know they wouldn't be using it. they wouldn't be using a foreign word for 'their' religion. WOW...U elect people and then say they do not represent you...Very Nice
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a_muslim Starter Joined: 29 August 2006 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 2	Posted: 29 August 2006 at 4:10pm
	Who says muslims don't denounce terrorism. Check this: http://in.rediff.com/news/2006/aug/18sheela1.htm Why are news like these not read by peeple? Why don't they make to headlines? Muslims make as many efforts as others do, so stop accusing for not doing anything Edited by a_muslim
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s666 Senior Member Joined: 07 June 2006 Location: India Online Status: Offline Posts: 214	Posted: 31 August 2006 at 9:43pm
	*Originally posted by a_muslim* *Originally posted by s666* gujrat's cm or tagodia do not represent the hindu community. they don't even know what hindu means, if they know they wouldn't be using it. they wouldn't be using a foreign word for 'their' religion. WOW...U elect people and then say they do not represent you...Very Nice bjp is not everywhere brother and now its fast declining. those people are lost souls. they are as far away as al queda is. *Originally posted by a_muslim* Who says muslims don't denounce terrorism. Check this: http://in.rediff.com/news/2006/aug/18sheela1.htm Why are news like these not read by peeple? Why don't they make to headlines? Muslims make as many efforts as others do, so stop accusing for not doing anything who said that indian muslims support terrorism?
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raushan Newbie Joined: 24 September 2006 Location: India Online Status: Offline Posts: 29	Posted: 28 December 2006 at 5:03am
	*Originally posted by bharatiya* Hello all the Indian Muslims here!!! -----hi bhartiya Why did you choose to live in India even after partition? ---I love your innocence,it was optional choice for both sides plz check the books..the division was made on geographical basis Just to tell the whole world that Hindus are communals and Hinduism is a farce? If Hinduism is a farce, let it be. It does not matter to you. --no ,hindus are not communal,they are as good or bad as others. If you feel that you are being ill treated in India, then why dont you leave India? ---why you insist on leaving dear?it seems you have some probs,whereas we muslims dont. The percentage of Hindus in Pakistan and Bangladesh after partition in 1947 was 17 and 25 respectively. Today their percentage is almost nil in Pakistan and 10.5 in Bangladesh. What happened to the missing Hindus? Do Hindus have human rights? -----this question you should better ask to foreign affairs deptt.but before that dont forget to confirm the figures and the causes by amnesty report. The problem is in a muslim mindset. If you are in majority, you will make it a Islamic Republic. And if you seem to be a minority, you proclaim to the world that you are being ill treated and that jihad has to be declared on that country... -------you are talking abt muslim mindset,islamic republic and jihad. I am really keen to know what do you mean by these terms.
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raushan Newbie Joined: 24 September 2006 Location: India Online Status: Offline Posts: 29	Posted: 28 December 2006 at 5:35am
	*Originally posted by bharatiya* Just read this, In India 85% of the population is Hindu. If Hindus are intolerant, how come Masjids and Madrasas are thriving? How come Muslims are offering Namaz on the road? How come Muslims are proclaiming five times a day on loudspeakers that there is no God except Allah? --great When Hindus gave away 30% of Bharat to the Muslims for a song, why do they have to beg now for their three sacred places out of thirty thousand destroyed by the Muslims? *AMAZING FAKT ,will you plz give the reference for above* When the Constitution of India advocates equal rights to all the citizens, then why do we have different laws for people of different religious faiths? Why can't we have a Uniform Civil Code? will you plz tell me the difference between personal laws and civil laws When Haj pilgrims are given subsidy, why Hindu pilgrims to Amarnath, Sabarimalai and Kailash Mansarover are taxed? Evidence again plz,if you take one ticket the airline will charge you more but if you book the entire plane you would be given discount in the form of susidy,or else suggest the govt to free hajj house to charter any airlines as per their wish and see the response from air india. Why are the temple revenues diverted to fund Haj subsidy and the welfare activities of Muslims and Christians? i m sure now you are a regular reader of ''panjanya''.these kind of facts are regularly published in this monthly magazine. Why is post-Godhra blown out of proportion, when no one talks of the ethnic cleansing of four lakh Hindus from Kashmir? many speaks against those if you can listen. If Muslims & Christians are minorities in Maharashtra, UP, Bihar, etc. are Hindus not minorities in J&K, Mizoram, Nagaland, Arunachal Pradesh, Meghalaya, etc.? Why are Hindus denied minority rights in these states? what are those minority rights muslims enjoying in these states and what are th ose rights not given to hindus in north eastern states. In what way is J&K different from Maharashtra, Tamil Nadu or Uttar Pradesh to have Article 370? *yes these states dont have border disputes with other nations.plz go ahead and read article 371,372 to know more about the spcl status of a state. Is there one Mullah or Maulvi who has declared a 'fatwa' against terrorists? yes here is one,if you ask i ll post more:* *http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1820782.cms* Why did Gandhiji object to the decision of the cabinet and insist that the Somnath Temple should be reconstructed out of public funds, not government funds, when in January 1948 he pressurised Nehru and Patel to carry on renovation of the mosques of Delhi at government expenses? even if it is done,it was wrong to renovate mosque by govt fund.Any bldgs of heritage value is being looked after by govt deptt and this is not for mosque but temples,churches and all. When Christian and Muslim schools can teach Bible and Quran, why Hindus cannot teach Gita or Ramayan? oh..who stops them..havent you seen shishu mandirs run by RSS. Why do you people consider anything pro-hindu as anti-Islamic? we never consider but in reverse may i ask you why you support any anti muslim propaganda as pro hindu. We never ask them to prove their loyalty. same here,...we never want to prove ourselves.India is as dear to us as to any indian.dont you mark we sleep in its lap even after death. If they really have, they would respect his fellow 'hindu' or Sikh or Christian. yes we respect them and our religion teaches us to behave in good manner with our neighbours.read it: "Worship Allah, and join not any partners with Him; and do good- to parents, kinsfolk, orphans, those in need, neighbours who are near, neighbours who are strangers, the Companion by your side, the wayfarer (you meet), and what your right hands possess; For Allah loves not the arrogant, the vainglorious". (4:36). peace Edited by raushan
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nu001 Male Islam Senior Member Joined: 02 March 2007 Online Status: Offline Posts: 252	Posted: 03 March 2007 at 5:21pm
	*Originally posted by bharatiya* To Zaman Brother, You were saying that Mughals made India the richest country in the world. India was the only producer of diamonds for centuries. In the words of a Chinese traveller, "India is so rich that I haven't seen a single beggar in the whole length I travelled..." Muslims were lured by those riches. India was a naval power before the Mughals came. They were interested in travelling only to Mecca. Dear Bhartiya, Know the history of India first. Which chinese and hwen he told it? unless you be more clear about the time and identity hard to comment on that. But for now; Morya, Arya, Gupta, Pal, Ashoka all of the people who ruled india unfortunately were out siders, came from the same region generally from where the Mughals and all Muslim rulers came from. But the hindus will only call the muslims outsiders. It was the Muslims many of whom have taken and many have enriched india. What you can boast of today in india of your heritage are all made by Muslims. If you think your religion is bul*****and try to nationalism your religion, that's your problem, Muslims have faith in their religion and if religion is for eternel life even for hinduism how can nationalism come over it? Submitting to God does not mean someone is disloyal to his country but that definitely cant come above God in any religion, unless you abandon religion. That you may chose to do, not muslims. Muslims are in different good position in India, that is not on ur mercy, by their capacity, hard earned, if they had equal opportunity; they would even be better. Just you have got education and could get rid of the curse of lower cast, don't be selfish and start painting picture like others have done for ages, still their are cursed casts in many parts of india, that's not a political slogan only.
	"Al-Quran-The only Straight path to success. Alhamdulillah"
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number41 Senior Member Joined: 09 March 2007 Location: Japan Online Status: Offline Posts: 163	Posted: 18 March 2007 at 6:48am
	nu001 wrote:-------Just you have got education and could get rid of the curse of lower cast, don't be selfish and start painting picture like others have done for ages, still their are cursed casts in many parts of india, that's not a political slogan only. Agreed with you nu001, this guy...bharatiya, need to wakeup!!!...Poor soul, he must be in a dazzzzzzze.
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