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Originally posted by Chrysalis

Anyone who has seen that lecture knows it is not true and that he never advocated terrorism in his lecture. This video is years old.

I presume you are referring to Naik's well-publicized comment on Osama Bin Laden: "If he is terrorising the terrorists, if he is terrorising America the terrorist, the biggest terrorist, every Muslim should be a terrorist.”
I don't see how you can understand that as anything other than advocating terrorism.  The fact that the statement is conditional does not help him, because in the first place it is clear that Bin Laden and Al Qaeda (and probably Naik himself) believe that the condition is true, i.e. that America is a terrorist country; but more importantly, because there are no conditions under which terrorism is acceptable, not even if your enemy is a terrorist.  The deliberate taking of innocent human life is always a moral crime (not to mention un-Islamic).  The fact that Naik apparently doesn't understand that is sufficient reason not to allow him into a civilized country.

Edited by Ron Webb - 23 June 2010 at 7:32pm

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Ron Webb Male Humanism Senior Member Joined: 30 January 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1403	Posted: 23 June 2010 at 7:31pm
	*Originally posted by Chrysalis* Anyone who has seen that lecture knows it is not true and that he never advocated terrorism in his lecture. This video is years old. I presume you are referring to Naik's well-publicized comment on Osama Bin Laden: "If he is terrorising the terrorists, if he is terrorising America the terrorist, the biggest terrorist, every Muslim should be a terrorist.” I don't see how you can understand that as anything other than advocating terrorism. The fact that the statement is conditional does not help him, because in the first place it is clear that Bin Laden and Al Qaeda (and probably Naik himself) believe that the condition is true, i.e. that America is a terrorist country; but more importantly, because there are no conditions under which terrorism is acceptable, not even if your enemy is a terrorist. The deliberate taking of innocent human life is always a moral crime (not to mention un-Islamic). The fact that Naik apparently doesn't understand that is sufficient reason not to allow him into a civilized country. Edited by Ron Webb - 23 June 2010 at 7:32pm
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abuayisha Senior Member Joined: 05 October 1999 Online Status: Offline Posts: 3994	Posted: 24 June 2010 at 10:28am
	Well, given Naik's audience (no need for political correctness) I would assume his comments were tongue-in-cheek. After all, most Muslims in the Middle East refuse to believe Bin Laden or any other Muslim was responsible for the 911 attacks. I think to refuse Naiks' entry into a "civilized country" unnecessarily fuels resentment, and gives credibility to his "narrative" back home.
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Chrysalis Senior Member Joined: 25 November 2007 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2031	Posted: 24 June 2010 at 12:08pm
	I presume you are referring to Naik's well-publicized comment on Osama Bin Laden: "If he is terrorising the terrorists, if he is terrorising America the terrorist, the biggest terrorist, every Muslim should be a terrorist.” I don't see how you can understand that as anything other than advocating terrorism. The fact that the statement is conditional does not help him, because in the first place it is clear that Bin Laden and Al Qaeda (and probably Naik himself) believe that the condition is true, i.e. that America is a terrorist country; but more importantly, because there are no conditions under which terrorism is acceptable, not even if your enemy is a terrorist. The deliberate taking of innocent human life is always a moral crime (not to mention un-Islamic). The fact that Naik apparently doesn't understand that is sufficient reason not to allow him into a civilized country. Dr. Zakir Naik responds to the allegations: Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFfyV47cFdQ&feature=related Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afTPx5sSk6I&feature=related Part 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtfySoTSdOQ&feature=related
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Sign*Reader Senior Member Joined: 02 November 2005 Online Status: Offline Posts: 3352	Posted: 24 June 2010 at 12:49pm
	What is the definition of a "Civilized Country" politically these days? To be on the take of "CSI" in Britain and to be on "Amen" list of AIPAC in the land of milk and honey & to be in debt of the banksters in the rest! You want your independence then you are uncivilized, LOL See all six of these clips o CSI! Edited by Sign*Reader - 24 June 2010 at 1:00pm
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Sign*Reader Senior Member Joined: 02 November 2005 Online Status: Offline Posts: 3352	Posted: 24 June 2010 at 1:01pm
	Chrysalis You beat me to the punch! Thanks
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Ron Webb Male Humanism Senior Member Joined: 30 January 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1403	Posted: 24 June 2010 at 7:17pm
	*Originally posted by Chrysalis* Dr. Zakir Naik responds to the allegations: Sorry, but my bandwidth does not permit me to view Youtube videos, and in any case I'm not interested in watching a half-hour program. Did Naik have anything specific to say about the statement I quoted from him?
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Ron Webb Male Humanism Senior Member Joined: 30 January 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1403	Posted: 24 June 2010 at 7:27pm
	*Originally posted by abuayisha* Well, given Naik's audience (no need for political correctness) I would assume his comments were tongue-in-cheek. After all, most Muslims in the Middle East refuse to believe Bin Laden or any other Muslim was responsible for the 911 attacks. I think to refuse Naiks' entry into a "civilized country" unnecessarily fuels resentment, and gives credibility to his "narrative" back home. And you don't think that Naik's "tongue-in-cheek" comment (one of a great many I could have quoted) would unnecessarily fuel resentment outside the Middle East against Muslims? I find it astonishing how Muslims can be outraged when non-Muslims stereotype them based on radical extremists, but rush to defend people like Naik who promote and exacerbate the stereotype. Naik is a true enemy of Islam, who does far, far more harm to the reputation of Islam than Rushdie ever could. Edited by Ron Webb - 24 June 2010 at 7:28pm
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Sign*Reader Senior Member Joined: 02 November 2005 Online Status: Offline Posts: 3352	Posted: 24 June 2010 at 8:34pm
	*Originally posted by Ron Webb* *Originally posted by abuayisha* Well, given Naik's audience (no need for political correctness) I would assume his comments were tongue-in-cheek. After all, most Muslims in the Middle East refuse to believe Bin Laden or any other Muslim was responsible for the 911 attacks. I think to refuse Naiks' entry into a "civilized country" unnecessarily fuels resentment, and gives credibility to his "narrative" back home. And you don't think that Naik's "tongue-in-cheek" comment (one of a great many I could have quoted) would unnecessarily fuel resentment outside the Middle East against Muslims? I find it astonishing how Muslims can be outraged when non-Muslims stereotype them based on radical extremists, but rush to defend people like Naik who promote and exacerbate the stereotype. Naik is a true enemy of Islam, who does far, far more harm to the reputation of Islam than Rushdie ever could. I'll look up to abuayisha's response! Dr. Naik can take care of his case, he is not a nobody...He won't let Mrs. Mays kick around and get away with! He has the lawsuit against the Home Secretary and let's see which way the wind blows... The correspondence she sent him ...she doesn't have a case in the court! And may be you are mistaken he is not domiciled in Middle East aka western occupied territory on Israeli behalf! With state of the art she is just spinning her wheels cuz she can't keep people in UK from his lectures...All they need is a jumbo-tron and live feed from Mumbai at the locations... You know what I am talking about you may have problems watching Youtube... Edited by Sign*Reader - 24 June 2010 at 10:03pm
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