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bullet Posted: 19 June 2010 at 9:55pm
Someone picked this lost thread...I am wondering why?

This is my take on the "knighthood" and the whole drama!

…I saw it was the greatest publicity stunt ever pulled by any writer/publisher in the history of publishing world in a down economy that was in eighties if anyone cares to remember ... as sawtul khilafa (BTW I miss him a lot for some his insights and of course late brother Sasha too) wrote against Khomeini's moronic Fatwa without reading the book himself...

I know just Khomeini uttering the fatwa sent the sale of the book into stratosphere overnight. Even my my boss brought up the subject in a sly way all I had to do was ask him couple or three questions about the background and he was dumbfounded and speechless otherwise extremely smart in his profession but living in total jahillia !

I wish he had kept his mouth shut more than Rushdie himself! He became accessory to the crime by default making a knight out of a pawn of a gutter sniper...that does happen on chess board but this became mountain of a molehill! I had to read the book cuz of my boss...Rushdie is talking about the miseries of the subcontinental immigrants in UK that no one would give a crap in the US in those days...He wrote tons of expletives about the Brits, their Prime Minister and the royals may be Queen too and what have you while living among them!
 The way he composed I bet most of the details would totally be Greek to the westerners but there they were just glued to his ranting out of sheer hate for Khomeini consequently the prophet and the then the religion!
The western orientalists have for centuries been churning that yarn...Rushdie  sent to UK by his Jahil father at low teens was just the seed he sowed for his own ticket to hell...
Khomeini had to do something more radical to prove his credentials to the masses in that part of the world...BTW that turned out to be the dumbest thing except for himself that gave a shot in the arm of his regime shattered in 9 years long years of war with Iraq... and his gamble paid off for a temporary lead in region for Islamic polity...Then it became a fashion for everyone to throw two cents in and the flood gates of demonstrators were opened ... the rest of the Muslims who were not well versed played catch up or got caught off guard and reacted as in any ghetto would act with heard mentality...

Khomeni's regime got big boost out of this for free and he took the helm as unchallenged leader of the Islamic world and the British Jewish publisher made hay and laughed all the way to the bank so did the British exchequer in VATs...

I can say with certainty the devil himself was directing this conspiracy for real!

On one side being a Shiit cult leader and other Rushdie a non Muslim born in British Indian colony where most Muslims were border line anyways…I personally know whole bunch who would sell their souls to the Brits for money and UK domicile as many did! Most people who went for the British tutelage came back as alcoholics and derelicts that further messed up the so called free country Pakistan!

The west in general and the Brits in particular felt elated for what they got away with and proof came when the Queen accepted the knighting committee’ nomination run by the Z’nists …was a final slap in face from the antagonist 

It will take time for the sick Muslim commonwealth to be well and be able to command respect! It is a long slog from the bondage of Jahillia to faith & freedom and the Anglos are doing a good job! It was nothing new but addition of z'nists in the calculus making it bit complicated!

After the Free Gaza flotilla case the leadership may be shaping up back in the same people whose forefathers lost it! It is gonna take time ...

One can’t help but observe the sea change of the respect Chinese have earned in less than half a century!

Does anyone think now any western publisher along with their royalty can get away with by slandering Mao even with things he did and all the bad blood between them of war notwithstanding !


Edited by Sign*Reader - 20 June 2010 at 1:09pm
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bullet Posted: 19 June 2010 at 11:24pm
Originally posted by Gibbs

Read his book in college. Very interesting read.

It quite is interesting that all the name calling was interesting...really no kidding!
Would you mind elaborating what part sticks in your mind that was interesting?
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bullet Posted: 19 June 2010 at 11:45pm
Originally posted by Ron Webb

I read it.  So did my Dad -- part of it, anyway.  I don't think he finished it.  It was okay, but, I didn't much care for the "magical realism" aspect of it.  I thought it would have been a better book if he had just stuck with a straightforward reimagining of Muhammad's life, perhaps as a modern allegory.
 
But the key point is that neither my Dad nor I would have bothered to read it, if it weren't for the fuss that Muslims made about it.

May be you can try your hand at it with your ideas, you are pretty good yourself...It might make yourself rich and famous particularly when the so called "overseas  contingency operation" aka Bush's war on terror is going on in full force! And the hapless Muslims are in much worse shape now! Only thing common is the economy in doldrums like the eighties!


Edited by Sign*Reader - 20 June 2010 at 12:34pm
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bullet Posted: 20 June 2010 at 12:58am
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Originally posted by martha

I am amazed that it has upset muslims tbh. It is a book based on magical realism and has little/nothing to do with Muhammed(pbuh)
 
I'm guessing you didn't read the whole thing.  Muhammad is a major character in the book, under the pseudonym of "Mahound" (which itself seems to be an insulting choice, given Islam's rather dim view of hounds).  And although in the beginning Mahound is portrayed as sincere and well-intentioned, suspicions are raised later in the novel about the number of "revelations" (and their timing) that always seem to benefit Mahound.  The clear implication is that Mahound is abusing his authority and perhaps even inventing Messages for his own purposes.
 
It's not surprising at all that Muslims would want to suppress this kind of thinking.  Once you start questioning the Prophet's motivations, the whole foundation of Islam crumbles.

The use of "Mahound" is nothing new if you care to research this! The work of  Christian missionaries who followed the colonizers used that derisively in Indian colonial times and used to call Muslims either Moslems (which stood for the meaning for mistreated in local language Urdu) or Mohammedans cuz they instigated Muslims are worshipers of Muhammad(s) like Christians doing to Jesus Christ which in itself stands in purview of your thread
in the interfaith Muhammad as a partner with Allah ...
And as far Muslims after being pushed down to bottom of the totem pole in Indian polity what the Brit masters told them to do- akin to eating swine while in starvation and subjugation-some of the newly educated in English end up accepting that label of Muhammadan cuz of the forced devolution and degeneration Islamic knowledge level of the subjects! The case in point is MAO College in Aligarh India! It is Muhammadan Anglo Oriental College set up by another 'knight' Sir Syed Ahmed Khan cuz he did what the white masters told him to do! It is part of Indian history!
BTW I am not puttin all the monkeys on Brits back... I hold the so called Muslim rulers before Brits more guilty for not educating the masses when they had the biggest economy in the world under them and they just blew it in the  entertaiment and lost it all! If they could built Taj Mahal they sure could do what I say should have!
And suppression thing LOL...if you want join hands with Rushdies and his zionist helpers you are more than welcome to it!

Muhammad and his companion had full control on the information that you/Rushdie think it was somehow questionable which in reality it is not!

 What was so difficult to eliminate such info from the get go!

 If a an oaf living in lap of west says something doesn't mean it is the truth!

 I see search of truth in the halls of Congress going every day and in WH press briefings and no one gets any!
The nation being robbed of trillions and there being no case and trace...
Clinton getting bent out of shape for hours and still claiming he didn't have sex with Monica...That is the situation of the kind of truth you live with...
All I can say to you is that much ado about nothing...
You have some heart burn about  Muhammad, it kind of late for that; too much water has flown under that bridge! Can't change the history and facts !
OK if you van clearly articulate the issue exactly what it is bother the heck out of you and no conspiracies please! and no self generated fables that westerners are good at!
Make a case and call Rushdie if you like! What do you mean by motivations?
Pretty soon you will be questioning all of us's motivations for being here? That will be quite funny!
Lay your cards on the table whatever that you got up your sleeve! So we know your motivations first!


Edited by Sign*Reader - 20 June 2010 at 1:15am
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bullet Posted: 20 June 2010 at 9:38am

Originally posted by Sign*Reader

What do you mean by motivations?

I was referring to the assumption that Muhammad was sincere and honest in his claim that the Quran came from God, and that it wasn't just a story he made up for his own purposes.  This is the assumption that Salman the Persian calls into question in Chapter 6 of the Satanic Verses, "Return to Jahilia".

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bullet Posted: 20 June 2010 at 12:32pm
Originally posted by Ron Webb

It's not surprising at all that Muslims would want to suppress this kind of thinking.  Once you start questioning the Prophet's motivations, the whole foundation of Islam crumbles.


These are your words ...Rushdie's motivations were crystal clear,
so are the Muslims!
The prophet(s) did face his questioners head on his motivations for 23 years out which 13 were with the power of his delivery facing the hostile audiences and 10 on marshaling the field against the belligerent enemy...
There after what his companions did is enshrined on the gloriously unparalleled history of chivalry!
That doesn't need anyone likes of yous approval!
It was the love of Islam and way of Muhammad that made them the masters of the realm and then they left his way and became despicable as we see them these days!
So I see to you the motivation of Rushdie, his publishers and his queen are non sequitur but Muhammad's motivations alluded in a fictive book are and can be used like a bludgeon against the foundation of Islam...

WOW you are hell of a judge of the kangaroo court! What a logic of Cancerian lunatic? LOL

You have truly shown your colors finally! Does it matter now if you are not a  Christian but as you say humanist, add to it Muhammadphobe also cuz that is what the whole colonial thinking was based on! You can't get away with this!



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bullet Posted: 20 June 2010 at 4:56pm
The country that nurtured and knighted the stinker Rush die has this much fear of a gentle soul like Dr Zakir to refuse his entry! That is true definition of a country touting freedom of speech! LOL

Legal challenge to ban on Muslim preacher Zakir Naik

“This ban shows how this government is leading ‘extremist’ secular anti-Islam policy within Europe. Dr Naik is an Islamic speaker who specialises in mutually respectful, robust, interfaith debate and dialogue and is famed for taking questions from all comers. He is largely seen as apolitical and is famously non-violent. Hence, to ban Dr Naik’s presentation of Islam is a sign of extreme intolerance and hatred.”

“The decision is hypocritical because the UK bans the likes of Dr Naik but allows anti-Islam ‘hate preachers’ like Geert Wilders to speak in Parliament.”

“The government's decision is yet further proof that Western governments are unable to convince people of their values without silencing opposing or competing views. It flies in the face of their proud talk about ‘free speech’, which is frequently used as a fig leaf to justify attacks on Islam.”


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bullet Posted: 21 June 2010 at 2:39am
Salams Sign*

I completely disagree with your above post. You really do like to incite your own hatred to all that doesn't agree with your view.

You hate the British, you hate non-muslims...in fact I am not sure who you do like .

The UK government have every right to exclude Zakir IF they feel he is a threat. This 'gentle soul' as you describe him has had 20 fatwa's issued in the US alone!

WHat we should realise is that being a scholar does not mean they hold to sound Islamic doctrine. Muslims should preserve God's word, not make up their own for their own publicity and wealth.

THe UK is a small country in comparison to the US. It is the 'kafir's' right to protect his family, home and country from anyone that causes a threat, including this Zakir if necessary. So let the UK government do as they like thanks, they are NOT affecting your daily life are they?

NB Please don't reply with saying what bad things the Brits did centuries ago...it is rather boring. You need to change the record brother.

Salams.


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