This "we" represent Muslims of which hamlet and what country? Who died and left you in charge to speak for all Muslims. You can't even show your location and you like to represent Muslims opinion!  The attitude is appalling and sanctimonious which is in direct contradiction to Allah directed method of calling people to goodness:
 Q16:125>>Call unto the way of Lord with wisdom and fair exhortation, and reason with them in the better way.


This is a moronic argument, ever wonder why George's call out of Islamofascism. It really doesn't matter what you say on the net debate cos I always considered it running of a Special Olympics. ISLAMIC VALUES ARE TIME CONSTANT LAID DOWN IN PERSPICUOUS QURAN, NEITHER YOU NOR ANYBODY AROUND YOU WHEREVER WILL GET TO  DECIDE SOMETHING ANEW IN DARK AND IN SECRET. ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS.
Your suggestion of pleasing the non Muslims, is preposterous and lame.
You just are NOT allowed to criticize, malign your neighbors in Islam. If you can not dawah the community for better by example you ought to  move out of there otherwise speak well or should keep quite.


There is no difference to resolve, it is a reactionary approach to spin by the thin skinned insecure so called Muslims. It is that simple. The shiekh got carried away with his not knowing his place in the scheme of things.
I don't know if you are in Australia but it begs a question--how 1.5% Muslim population of Australia can make an impact on the rest by being judgmental while in process losing the womens support?. Now sheikh is out his job for not following Quranic guidelines and embarrassing the fellow Muslims.
It is proverbial "Living in Rome and fighting with Pope" and then complain about the consequences.

It was in response to your judgmental  opinions so think before you post.


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Really that is no excuse.

You don't like my attitude here, well I did not like yours and I believe they were more than harsh. I responded to you (as with herjihad) because your remarks about women, not just to non muslims BUT also to muslim women were ignorant and unacceptable/insulting. The issue as i have stated before there are many muslims who disagree with you, And with topic a lot of muslims here in Australia have done the most outcry and asked for this cleric to resign. The muslims in the state of Victoria actually don't listen to the cleric. The sheikh of England who is here visiting believes he needs to step down.

I tried to present to you and others what is happening in Australia about and within the muslim ummah and what muslims are saying.

I know the media can get carried away and not be fair at times but here the media has shown both sides from the muslim community both with those who are with the shiekh and those who disagree, both sides have come on camera on the news - don't you think that is good?

 

Now about all this just above, I have presented my views on this in comments and complaints section but will say again for you Candid. Tell me, how are non muslims suppose to learn about islam and muslims? You never learn just by listening/reading, you need to get into discussions to furthur your learning and most of all understanding and guess a lot of times its also from ordinary and everyday interacting with others. If you don't question, then you might just get wrong learning and understanding. My biggest learning has been from talking/discussing and questioning! I believe it is incorrect not to discuss! I will always question things. AND this forum is for ALL to come here. About the insults, muslims can be insulting to at times, at times i see it as worst than from the non muslims.

I am a Muslim, I have stake here, I have the right to propose what I think is right for the Muslims as a whole. Nothing in what I wrote, suggested that I want to enforce my views over the all of the Muslims. It was a suggestion. Other Muslims can follow it or not.  BTW, I am from India. You want my address too? If its really that important for you.

That betrays your obsequity to your non-muslim masters. Blame the victim for the oppression.

That's what everyone says. But clearly there are major differences amongst Muslims and those have to be resolved. It should not be done just to conform to what the non-muslims tell us to do.

Before you lecture me about dawah, it will be better you understand that dawah does not mean entertaining or charming the non-muslims through flattery for personal benefits.

I am not in Australia. The Sheikh's mistake was in not anticipating the reaction to what he said. But what he said was not wrong. I was wrong in saying 'I bet they liked it', and that was because I don't like non-muslims to whine in this forum, I wanted to tell them that I ignore them. However, other Muslims also took offence to that.

When in pigsty, you want to live as the pigs do? Go ahead, its your choice.

To rephrase, your obsession with me is irrelevant to this discussion. You agree with me or not, stick to the issue. If you want to discuss about me start a new thread.

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Do we not live in a free world to preech what we believe in?? I thought that is what this forum is about?

As mentioned above to discuss issues & talking points & not to express threatening words or statements to another!