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Quote Daniel Dworsky Replybullet Posted: 25 September 2006 at 12:02pm
I'm sorry but didn't a very brave woman lose her life trying to improve
conditions for her sisters?

A little respect people. The world is not a nicer place now that this woman is
dead.

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Quote Sawtul Khilafah Replybullet Posted: 25 September 2006 at 12:03pm
Originally posted by Angela

I watched a show once on Soviet Occupied Afghanistan.  The Soviets encouraged the women to get out, and ditch the traditional garb.  Women were wearing short skirts, western styles and going to bars.  (Men, too)  I think many of these men are afraid to see that kind of morality come back to Afghanistan.  They are also afraid of losing control.  When women are educated, they refuse to be locked away and treated like animals.  By preventing the education of girls (And of Boys) they can control the population. 

I mean.  If a woman is illiterate, she can't read the Quran for herself.  Right?  Then she has no idea of the rights and protections that Allah gave her. 

1: What does education have to do with going to Bar and dressing up like a Whore? If anything, drunks and whores are harmful and make people stupid, Not more intellectual!

2: You actually think it's "MORAL" for people to dress like whores and faggots and get drunk ???

3: This "morality" as you call it is not really in the Afghan culture, rather it was brought to Afghanistan by the Communists, and now by the Capitalists/imperialists.

4: Do you think religious people want women to wear proper clothes in order to control them??? What does clothes have to do with education, when in reality slotty women are the stupid ones, while those who dress modestly can concentrate on their education and other useful activities instead of streetwalking.

No one is "afraid" of filthy women we just dont like to see our Muslim brothers and sisters acting like pigs.

5: You say women who stay at home and look after the kids are like ANIMALS???

Ever heard of PIGS??? Did you know that PIGS are animals???

6: And you then say... they want to prevent women from reading the Quran . So far, every single thing you said in your post is against the Quran and against Islamic laws, so who are you trying to fool ?

I mean SERIOSLY, do you think whores read the Quran but religious women who wear Hijab and take care of their kids and dont like cheating on their husband dont ?

And in the end you say:

 "Education is a weapon they fear most."

 So let me get this straight. A woman who dresses up like a whore, goes out of house without her husband's permission and gets into all kinds of filthy places including bars is "educated" ???

The truth is that most Afghans, men or women are not educated due to the Poverty. Even the Taliban wanted to build schools for girls but couldnt because they didnt even have enough money to feed their people. Their children were dying out of starvation and then you have the UN and the US condemning them for not building schools for girls  And then, these same guys bombed Afghanistan, placed sanctions of them, funded the warlords and drug addicts to spread chaos, and finally invaded the county and bombed more people and destroyed more houses...

Then they claimed that Afghan women are not educated because they dont dress like whores.... How on earth does nudity help women's education and intellect??????!?????

The Northern Alliance are losing, even with all the help that the USA gave them. Pakistan has already accepted defeat and sooner or later, the Taliban are going to take back control. What the Northern Alliance and the US are now trying to do is fight a propaganda war, hoping to turn the people against the Taliban in order to recruit more soldiers in their own army and decrease support for the Taliban.

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Quote Angela Replybullet Posted: 25 September 2006 at 12:30pm

1: What does education have to do with going to Bar and dressing up like a Whore? If anything, drunks and whores are harmful and make people stupid, Not more intellectual!

Yo! Dude, I was condemning the immorality brought by the Soviets.  Not supporting it. 

2: You actually think it's "MORAL" for people to dress like whores and faggots and get drunk ???

Actually no, I'm Mormon.  Premarital Sex, Alcohol and immoral behavior are just as horrid to me as they are to a Muslim woman.  And watch your language.  (more proof you are not Iranian)

3: This "morality" as you call it is not really in the Afghan culture, rather it was brought to Afghanistan by the Communists, and now by the Capitalists/imperialists.

I'm not calling it "morality" I'm saying that form of "morality" was brought in and that the locals fear it returning.  With good reason.

4: Do you think religious people want women to wear proper clothes in order to control them??? What does clothes have to do with education, when in reality slotty women are the stupid ones, while those who dress modestly can concentrate on their education and other useful activities instead of streetwalking.

You can dress Islamically and modestly without being forced into a burka that obscures your vision and suffocates you.  Even most niqabs with veils are not as restrictive as the Burqah.  I wear skirts to my ankles and long sleeve shirts.  I'm not talking about street walker clothes.  I do believe that FORCING a woman to wear a cloth that she cannot see out of is a form of control and not protection.  We are not talking headscarfs we are talking total obliteration of the woman.

No one is "afraid" of filthy women we just dont like to see our Muslim brothers and sisters acting like pigs.

5: You say women who stay at home and look after the kids are like ANIMALS???

No, I'm saying that preventing a woman from leaving the house is what makes her like an animal.  Staying home to care for the kids is one thing.  Not being able to go to the grocery store without a male relative escort is another thing.  Not being able to work and being forced to beg for money because your husband has died is another thing.  Being shot for daring to be outside is something else.  Don't fool yourself, these women were not chosing to stay in the four walls of their home 24/7.  They were forced to be there.

Ever heard of PIGS??? Did you know that PIGS are animals???

6: And you then say... they want to prevent women from reading the Quran . So far, every single thing you said in your post is against the Quran and against Islamic laws, so who are you trying to fool ?

95% of the country is Illiterate and they are bombing and blowing up schools.  Do you think that destroying schools is Islamic?  And you obviously didn't read my post well enough.  I wasn't supporting the immorality.  Education is prized in Islam, the destruction of places of Education can only mean that those in control are afraid of people thinking for themselves.

I mean SERIOSLY, do you think whores read the Quran but religious women who wear Hijab and take care of their kids and dont like cheating on their husband dont ?

And in the end you say:

 "Education is a weapon they fear most."

 So let me get this straight. A woman who dresses up like a whore, goes out of house without her husband's permission and gets into all kinds of filthy places including bars is "educated" ???

The truth is that most Afghans, men or women are not educated due to the Poverty. Even the Taliban wanted to build schools for girls but couldnt because they didnt even have enough money to feed their people. Their children were dying out of starvation and then you have the UN and the US condemning them for not building schools for girls  And then, these same guys bombed Afghanistan, placed sanctions of them, funded the warlords and drug addicts to spread chaos, and finally invaded the county and bombed more people and destroyed more houses...

Then they claimed that Afghan women are not educated because they dont dress like whores.... How on earth does nudity help women's education and intellect??????!?????

Again, I NEVER SAID THIS, YOU ARE PUTTING WORDS INTO MY MOUTH.

The Northern Alliance are losing, even with all the help that the USA gave them. Pakistan has already accepted defeat and sooner or later, the Taliban are going to take back control. What the Northern Alliance and the US are now trying to do is fight a propaganda war, hoping to turn the people against the Taliban in order to recruit more soldiers in their own army and decrease support for the Taliban.

From the filthy language you used through this whole rant, you're a hypocrite.  You don't know the first thing about the Taliban, the Quran or what honest hard working (chaste and modest) women are really like. 

You think that just because a woman has an education and leaves the house that she's going to become some harlot?  You think that because a woman speaks with another man, she's going to jump into bed with them?  Do I have to remind you which gender pays for sex?  Do I have to remind you the statistics of infidelity of male and female?  Women are not the ones who go all freaky and immoral when society breaks down.  Women are the ones that become the victims.  Men have always been the problem, when they beat their wives, rob them of their dignity and then blame them when morality breaks down.

The Quran and the Prophet Muhammed (pbuh) fought for women to be recognized as useful members of society deserving of fair treatment.  His own wife was a successful business woman and not some cowering slavegirl called a wife forced to stay home with her children. 

Every school built is time and money, blowing it up only shows ignorance and a need to create fear. 

And considering your need to lie about yourself and your origins, you have no right to say anything.  You're some couch jockey from Middle America who probably is jaded because no one cares what you think and so you created some identity.  Whisper caught you red handed... and reading over your post.  I totally agree with him, you don't have a middle eastern bone in your body.



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Quote Sawtul Khilafah Replybullet Posted: 25 September 2006 at 2:12pm

Im sorry I got the wrong impression from your post, but you did really make it seem like you were supporting bars and bad clothing.

I DID read your post carefully, it seems like you did not type it carefully though.

This is what you wrote:

 "The Soviets encouraged the women to get out, and ditch the traditional garb.  Women were wearing short skirts, western styles and going to bars.  (Men, too)  I think many of these men are afraid to see that kind of morality come back to Afghanistan.  They are also afraid of losing control.  When women are educated, they refuse to be locked away and treated like animals.  By preventing the education of girls (And of Boys) they can control the population." 

Notice you first talked about how these things were brought into Afghanistan, then you said Afghan men are afraid of this kind of morality, and then you started condemning the religious Afghans.

So your post Clearly gave the wrong impression.

Again, Im sorry for misjudging you, I still totally disagree with what you said but Im sorry for being too harsh as I was shocked by your previous post.

 

Originally posted by Angela

Actually no, I'm Mormon.  Premarital Sex, Alcohol and immoral behavior are just as horrid to me as they are to a Muslim woman.  And watch your language.  (more proof you are not Iranian)

Proof that Im not Iranian?????

 

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Then they claimed that Afghan women are not educated because they dont dress like whores.... How on earth does nudity help women's education and intellect??????!?????

Again, I NEVER SAID THIS, YOU ARE PUTTING WORDS INTO MY MOUTH.

I didnt say you said this, I was talking about the US and UN accusations against the Taliban.

(if you read the previous paragraph, I was talking about US and UN, and here I said THEY, not YOU)

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Quote Sawtul Khilafah Replybullet Posted: 25 September 2006 at 4:31pm

Now regarding the Thread title "What are they so afraid of".

Let me ask this:

Do you think people must be allowed to excrete in public ???

If your answer is no, then please tell me, WHAT ARE YOU SO AFFRAID OF ??? Why are you against people's freedom and liberty ?? Is it because you want to control them ?

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Quote Daniel Dworsky Replybullet Posted: 25 September 2006 at 5:44pm
Originally posted by Sawtul Khilafah

Now regarding the Thread title "What are they
so afraid of".


Let me ask this:


Do you think people must be allowed to excrete in public ???


If your answer is no, then please tell me, WHAT ARE YOU SO AFFRAID
OF ??? Why are you against people's freedom and liberty ?? Is it because you
want to control them ?


Your unfortunate and disgusting example is an example of one persons
expression of freedom (voiding in public) limiting the rights of another.
Poop is a health hazard. It needs to be contained and isolated. Like our
presidents.
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Quote Sawtul Khilafah Replybullet Posted: 25 September 2006 at 9:40pm

What if you can do it as long as you clean it ? Do you think it should be allowed or not ?

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