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bullet Posted: 27 September 2006 at 5:05pm
Originally posted by StephenC

Why not engage in honest debate?  Instead of one or two vague word responses, honestly discuss the issues.

Do you think Muhammad is a true Prophet from God?  If so, why?

Why not? You made the claim that he was not.

Instead of pretending to really be investigating, why not stop with all of the silly skeptical questions and come out with your position and argue your case?

Thats what a debate is. You want to interrogate.

There is a difference.

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bullet Posted: 27 September 2006 at 6:04pm
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It appears that some Muslims today are doing similiar or even worse things in the name of Allah (not the pagan Allah).  So was Muhammad successful?

(Please don't use the lame excuse that others are doing the same thing.  I realize the evilness of man regardless of the religion)

Okay, but you're talking such a small amount.  At its height, AQ was considered to have 40,000 operatives.  There are 1.5 Billion Muslims.  Even if there were 150,000 terrorists.  You are talking 0.0001% of Muslims are committing these heinous acts and of those most of them are political in nature and not religious in nature.  They just get all the bad press.  So, I would say, given the number.  Yes, Muhammed did his job if only 1/100,000th of the population are crazed maniacs.

How many pagans were in Mecca at the time of Muhammad?

And I am not just talking about the terrorists.  what about "honor killings" stonings, rapes, etc.?

Are they Muslim Family Values?

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bullet Posted: 27 September 2006 at 6:08pm
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Originally posted by StephenC

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I don't think anyone has any proof to support or discredit any of the three.  All that remains is blind faith.

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"You cannot prove or disprove events.

And the evidence suggests it was not Satan."

Please show me the evidence!!!!!

The theological message of the Quran and Sunnah is anti-thetical to satan, who is the archrival of man.

I'm looking for specifics not generalities.  Do you have anything specific?  I thought Muslims believe Satan is merely a jinn and Muhammad was for people and jinn.  did I get that wrong?

Remember my car salesman example?  If I want lie about something, I tell you a lot of true and throw in the lie or two.  Could that be what the "voice" was doing?  Also I still can not find anything about how Muhammad figured out that the unidentified "voice" was Angel Gabriel.

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bullet Posted: 27 September 2006 at 6:10pm
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Is "suggests" sufficient a reason to base one's life on something?

If the confidence is high, yes. Since nothing in this world in the domain of human reason is absolute, your question is rhetorical nonsense.

Okay, why is your confidence high about a "revelantion" that "suggests" it is from God (and not from Satan or man)?

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bullet Posted: 27 September 2006 at 6:12pm
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What have I presented (other than that clearly marked as "investigator's note" or "uncited) that is untrue?

This was already covered. The context of what you term unture, and the thread. I will not rehash it. If you are unsatisfied with this reply, then I invite you to study the thread.

So in other words you can not give even ONE example where I posted something that is not true or in error!!!

That means I have a better "batting average" than the Quran!

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bullet Posted: 27 September 2006 at 6:15pm

Did Angela take off the lawyer suit or did you realize that I have never made any such claim about Jesus Christ?

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bullet Posted: 27 September 2006 at 7:08pm
Originally posted by StephenC

Originally posted by Andalus

Originally posted by StephenC

Stephenc wrote:

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I don't think anyone has any proof to support or discredit any of the three.  All that remains is blind faith.

Andalus responded with:

"You cannot prove or disprove events.

And the evidence suggests it was not Satan."

Please show me the evidence!!!!!

The theological message of the Quran and Sunnah is anti-thetical to satan, who is the archrival of man.

I'm looking for specifics not generalities.  Do you have anything specific?  I thought Muslims believe Satan is merely a jinn and Muhammad was for people and jinn.  did I get that wrong?

And what difference does that have on what I stated?

Please explain the problem you are implying.

The theolgical antithesis to Shaytan is inherent in the outcomes of Islam:

1) tauheed (the oneness of Gd without implicitness)

2) the develpment of civilization

3) development of society

4) development of family

4) the Quran and Sunnah

 

Remember my car salesman example?  If I want lie about something, I tell you a lot of true and throw in the lie or two.  Could that be what the "voice" was doing?  Also I still can not find anything about how Muhammad figured out that the unidentified "voice" was Angel Gabriel.

And remember my point and explanation that it was a false analogy. This is what usually happens when you ignore my points. You can then continue to recycle them as if the are valid.

I already covered it as a false analogy. Now you can pretend it was never mentioned and demand a rehash from me, and if I refuse, you can claim a victory.

You are not as clever as you think you are.

 

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bullet Posted: 27 September 2006 at 7:13pm
Originally posted by StephenC

Originally posted by Andalus

Originally posted by StephenC

Is "suggests" sufficient a reason to base one's life on something?

If the confidence is high, yes. Since nothing in this world in the domain of human reason is absolute, your question is rhetorical nonsense.

Okay, why is your confidence high about a "revelantion" that "suggests" it is from God (and not from Satan or man)?

1) The Quran did not suggest, it clearly stated.

2) You may open a thread on the Quran, specifically the Quran, and debate it.

3) If this thread begins, I will end it if you only add contributions with silly skeptical questions. Skeptical questions do no find truth, only seek to place doubt or uncertainty on a subject. This is this the trick of skeptical arguments, and I will not let you turn any threads into a circus.

Feel free to start the thread.

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