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bullet Posted: 26 September 2006 at 7:30pm
What have I presented (other than that clearly marked as "investigator's note" or "uncited) that is untrue?
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bullet Posted: 26 September 2006 at 7:36pm

StephenC wrote:

"What are you claiming is false?  That they eventually married?  I thought that was an undisputed fact.  Or are you saying that he did not marry a second wife (since there is dispute as to whether he had two wives at the same time or not I wrote this so it was accurate regardless of circumstances).  Or is that you are saying that it is false that:

"Sometime later Muhammad married Khadijah, by whom he had two sons - who did not survive - and four daughters." IslamiCity.com Islamic History.

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"false: He did not take a second wife while with his first wife."

Where did I say Muhammad took a second wife while with his first wife??!!  I explained that and quoted where I got the information.  Are you claiming that IslamiCity.com is putting out false information?!?!

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bullet Posted: 26 September 2006 at 7:41pm

Andalus wrote:
>>There are no editions, and there were no editors. In this case, the mistake is not with the QUran, but with your critical thinking skills and lack of expereince wtih the Quran. That's ok. A common error amongst detractors.

The first huge mistake you are making is your reliance on translations.

The second mistake you are making is trying to equate the creation of Adam to that of his progeny.

Al-Sajadah 32: 7 - 8

Who made excellent everything that He created. He began the creation of man from clay, then made his offspring from a drop of humble fluid.

So not only is your investigation sloppy (how you missed this verse tells me you have studied polemical trash sites for your "intell"), and cursory, but your commnad of the Quran and how to read it are less than novice.<<

Is IslamiCity.com putting out "polemical trash"?  As I explained near the beginning of my discussion, unless I cite otherwise, I am getting the majority of my information from IslamiCity.com.  The quote is from IslamiCity.com's History of Islam and its Quran search.

I am beginning to think that instead of an honest debate, you are not really interested in discussion.

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bullet Posted: 26 September 2006 at 7:45pm

Andalus wrote:

"Your NT has been torn apart by your own scholars who admit defects, variants, and the question of what is a NT.

Your NT is a troubled book, with a troubled past."

My NT!  I do not hold a copyright on the New Testament.  So why do you claim it is my NT?

Did I say that the New Testament is perfect?  I don't recall that and it would be against my earlier position about worshipping someone born of a woman.

Aren't you paying attention?

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bullet Posted: 26 September 2006 at 7:46pm

Why not engage in honest debate?  Instead of one or two vague word responses, honestly discuss the issues.

Do you think Muhammad is a true Prophet from God?  If so, why?

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bullet Posted: 27 September 2006 at 2:20am

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Your question: "Do you think Muhammad is a true Prophet from God?  If so, why?"

Yes, Muhammad is a true Prophet from God.

Before I answer the second part of your question, I think it would be better to define what a Prophet is, so that we can remain at the same frequency to hear each other.

A prophet can be regarded as:

1. A teacher or interpreter of the Will of God.

2. A person who could foretell events or prophesise.

3. A person who speaks and coveys the message of God.

In case of Muhammad, he conveyed the same message which was given to Moses and Jesus, i.e., "There is no God beside Me", "You shall not worship any other beside me."

The crux of the message is "You will worship only your Lord Almighty with all your hearts, all your minds and all your souls."

When I read Qur'aan, the message given to him, I find that message remains constant and consistent with not an iota changed.

For example, I would not consider Paul an apostle or a prophet, for he changed the messages of his master. 

Another example: Muhammad's message talks only about The Lord Almighty. Ther is no self-praise by him. In fact, his name appears in Qur'aan only four times. A Prophet of God will always talk about God and remain humble to God.

That is what makes Muhammad different from many of the biblical and a few self-appointed prophets or apostles. Muhammad even did not declare that he was a Prophet until quite some time, are you aware of that?

 

 



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bullet Posted: 27 September 2006 at 8:39am

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I don't think anyone has any proof to support or discredit any of the three.  All that remains is blind faith.

Andalus responded with:

"You cannot prove or disprove events.

And the evidence suggests it was not Satan."

Please show me the evidence!!!!!

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bullet Posted: 27 September 2006 at 8:40am
Is "suggests" sufficient a reason to base one's life on something?
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