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bullet Posted: 18 October 2006 at 7:29pm
There is no punishment for apostasy when Allah mentioned the subject  in Quran so the answer unequivocally is No.
Treason or State secret all bets are off like Gadahn's case
3:100 O ye who believe! If ye listen to a faction among the People of the Book, they would (indeed) render you apostates after ye have believed!

47:25 Those who turn back as apostates after Guidance was clearly shown to them,- the Evil One has instigated them and busied them up with false hopes.


2:256 Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things.

16:106 Any one who, after accepting faith in Allah, utters Unbelief,- except under compulsion, his heart remaining firm in Faith - but such as open their breast to Unbelief, on them is Wrath from Allah, and theirs will be a dreadful Penalty.

You know there are millions of apostates running around in western controlled areas, and nobody is getting hauled in any court.




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bullet Posted: 18 October 2006 at 9:37pm


OK let's examine the non Islamic Books' a troll might believe in

 According to bible, which man is an adulterer?

“But I say unto you, that whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery” (Matthew 5:32).

The divorce rate is 50% in western world  so statistically what are the chances that you are not a biproduct of one of these conditions of genetic material's rendezvous. Not very good seeing the behavior you have shown. Have'nt you noticed that folks thumbing their noses on your menure.

“But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart” (Matthew 5:28).

Do I need to say anything, do you see your face in this statement? 
 
 How does God say you can determine whether your wife is cheating on you?

  Answer:  “And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying, Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, If any man’s wife go aside, and commit a trespass against him, and a man lie with her carnally . . . then the man shall bring his wife unto the priest . . . and the priest shall take holy water in an earthen vessel . . . And when he hath made her to drink the water, then it shall come to pass, that if she be defiled, and have done trespass against her husband, that the water that causeth the curse shall enter into her, and become bitter, and her belly shall swell, and her thigh shall rot” (Numbers 5:11-27).
Very scientific
  1.   10 But if he amurdered he was punished unto bdeath;
  2.  and if he crobbed he was also punished;
  3.  and if he stole he was also punished;
  4.  and if he committed dadultery he was also punished;
  5. yea, for all this wickedness they were punished.
Go read Mark Foley's story  n Get lost.




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bullet Posted: 19 October 2006 at 3:14am
Originally posted by Sign*Reader



OK let's examine the non Islamic Books' a troll might believe in

 According to bible, which man is an adulterer?

“But I say unto you, that whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery” (Matthew 5:32).

The divorce rate is 50% in western world  so statistically what are the chances that you are not a biproduct of one of these conditions of genetic material's rendezvous. Not very good seeing the behavior you have shown. Have'nt you noticed that folks thumbing their noses on your menure.

“But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart” (Matthew 5:28).

Do I need to say anything, do you see your face in this statement? 
 
 How does God say you can determine whether your wife is cheating on you?

  Answer:  “And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying, Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, If any man’s wife go aside, and commit a trespass against him, and a man lie with her carnally . . . then the man shall bring his wife unto the priest . . . and the priest shall take holy water in an earthen vessel . . . And when he hath made her to drink the water, then it shall come to pass, that if she be defiled, and have done trespass against her husband, that the water that causeth the curse shall enter into her, and become bitter, and her belly shall swell, and her thigh shall rot” (Numbers 5:11-27).
Very scientific
  1.   10 But if he amurdered he was punished unto bdeath;
  2.  and if he crobbed he was also punished;
  3.  and if he stole he was also punished;
  4.  and if he committed dadultery he was also punished;
  5. yea, for all this wickedness they were punished.
<!--[if !supportLineBreakNewLine]-->Go read Mark Foley's story  n Get lost.
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Thank you for your post, but what does the Bible have to do with this discussion?

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bullet Posted: 19 October 2006 at 3:41am

Originally posted by Sign*Reader

There is no punishment for apostasy when Allah mentioned the subject  in Quran so the answer unequivocally is No.
Treason or State secret all bets are off like Gadahn's case
3:100 O ye who believe! If ye listen to a faction among the People of the Book, they would (indeed) render you apostates after ye have believed!

47:25 Those who turn back as apostates after Guidance was clearly shown to them,- the Evil One has instigated them and busied them up with false hopes.


2:256 Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things.

16:106 Any one who, after accepting faith in Allah, utters Unbelief,- except under compulsion, his heart remaining firm in Faith - but such as open their breast to Unbelief, on them is Wrath from Allah, and theirs will be a dreadful Penalty.

You know there are millions of apostates running around in western controlled areas, and nobody is getting hauled in any court.


Was the quoted information wrong? (Book 38, Number 4341: Narrated Mu'adh ibn Jabal)

I thought Mu'adh ibn Jabal was one of Muhammad's "companions."  Should we ignore the writings of the "companions?"

"Umar thereupon summoned five persons who had collected the Qur'an in the lifetime of the Prophet, peace be upon him. They were Mu'adh bin Jabal, Ubadah bin as-Samit, Abu Ayyub al-Ansari, Ubayy bin Kab and Abu al-Darda."

And

"When the noble Prophet reached Yathrib, Mu'adh bin Jabal stayed in his company as much as possible. He studied the Qur'an and the laws of Islam until he became one of the most well-versed of all the companions in the religion of Islam. "

Wherever Mu'adh went, people would refer to him for legal judgments on matters over which they differed. This is not strange since he was brought up in the school of the Prophet himself and learnt as much as he could from him. He was the best pupil of the best teacher. His knowledge bore the stamp of authenticity. The best certificate that he could have received came from the Prophet himself when he said, "The most knowledgeable of my ummah [community] in matters of Halal [permitted, allowed, lawful or legal] and Haram [forbidden] is Mu'adh bin Jabal."

http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4076& ;PN=1

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bullet Posted: 19 October 2006 at 3:43am

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So is this another incident of where the Qu'ran and the supplemental books are contradictory?

 

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bullet Posted: 19 October 2006 at 5:45am

The case of apostasy has already been discussed here.

http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4107& ;KW=afghan+man&TPN=1

StephenC, stick to the topic and ask questions in the spirit of engaging in interfaith dialogue. If you are here to refute everything without any evidence as you did in this thread, it will simply not work, and that goes against guidelines.

Even after 28 pages, you failed to come up with a response to the question raised in the very beginning of the thread. Instead, you keep jumping from one topic to the other. You will not be allowed to do this further.

And yes, this is a warning!

 

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