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bullet Posted: 03 May 2005 at 12:18am
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Hi Colin,

Perhaps, with hindsight I should have ignored his/her strange allegations. But recently there has been far too much of this type of particularly racist and anti-semitic bilge allowed to go virtually unchecked by the IC mods. In view of the lack of action by the moderators, I felt duty bound to highlight this regularly outspoken member and make him/her look stupid. (I mean more stupid that he/she made himself/herself look by posting such drivel in the first place).


I personaly do not read every post, i posted some time ago that if you have aproblem with a certain post please report it i only recieved a number of reports on Rehamts posts. The moderators did not delete his posts generaly becouse we could not find a forum guidline he was breaking, i am not aware of his posts being anti jewish but anti establishment. Simply becouse a person did not like what he posted was not enough reason to delete the post.

regarding what you said about the discussion that took place i am not aware of what specific indaviduals said only the topics discussed and some vulgor points raised.
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bullet Posted: 03 May 2005 at 12:46am

Rami wrote:


I personaly do not read every post, i posted some time ago that if you have aproblem with a certain post please report it i only recieved a number of reports on Rehamts posts. The moderators did not delete his posts generaly becouse we could not find a forum guidline he was breaking, i am not aware of his posts being anti jewish but anti establishment. Simply becouse a person did not like what he posted was not enough reason to delete the post.

By mainly posting material copied from other sites (And not following normal "netiquette" by quoting the source), and more seriously, flooding the whole forum with such material without the obvious intention of engaging in proper debate, he was effectively spamming the boards. I believe this is strictly against most discussion board's guidelines of what constitutes acceptable behaviour. His rudeness and lack of respect may not have been strictly against the rules, but I think it was pretty obvious to many here that Rehmat's behaviour had the potential to ruin what has in my years at Islamicity, been first rate discussion forum.


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regarding what you said about the discussion that took place i am not aware of what specific indaviduals said only the topics discussed and some vulgor points raised.

In reply to Blond, I didn't actually discuss the topic of Blond's post. I only questioned the strangeness of blond making such a post in the first place. I don't think that in itself was justification enough for me to be suspended without appeal. But hey, it's your forum and I accept that you can take any actions you deem appropriate.

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bullet Posted: 03 May 2005 at 1:39am

There seems to be quite an unfolding on moderating here. Well, moderating here is not a censorship board, neither does the message go through scanning prior to being made visible on the board. What's a fuss?

It seems there hasn't been an interesting and challenging topic lately which is why some got into personal accusations and heated finger pointing. Moderating here, is not expression of authority, supreme intelligence or extraordinary piety  - it is a mere keeping place clean from obscenities, vulgarities, spam, name-calling etc. Different people have different definition and understanding of these, however the effort is being made to keep discussions within Islamic principles as much as possible... though not always possible. 

I do not think that Moderators need to explain themselves when and why they take action. Prior to deleting, or imposing a ban, there are various indications and warnings, both direct and indirect that take place.   

Unfortunately, I am not familiar of the discussion being discussed, therefore can't comment on that specific issue. But from knowing moderators, tend to believe that the ban was not unjustified. 

Let's move on...

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bullet Posted: 03 May 2005 at 5:00am

 

Assalaamu Alaikum

 

 

Sister Nausheen,

 

I feel for you, and sympathise with the somewhat impossible task (of keeping all happy).

 

 

Nausheen stated: “We are not qualified scholars or medical doctors here. If there are explicit questions pertaining these matters, your sincerity in seeking the answer will be better served if you take them to an appropriate website.”

 

Does this mean we are not allowed to challenge scholars or medical doctors, because we deem their knowledge superior to ours? I only ask, as I personally do not blindly follow anyone, whether it is a scholar, or a doctor.

 

I personally have witnessed doctors diagnosing people with terminal diseases/cancers, and some even go to the length of naming a possible time of death (ie you have 3 months to live). The relevance of this point is that, very rarely are these ‘time to live’ estimates correct, and there are even cases where patients recover completely, hence for dr’s to state such derogative comments (which often have very negative effects), I deem to be wrong.

 

Sister Nausheen, I know you have stated that you are not going to make any further posts within this thread, however I was wondering if we could please discuss the subject matter of – how a person believes (sometimes blindly), somebody else in matters where they have no knowledge themselves. (ie if I knew nothing about computers, & asked you [‘as an expert’], I would believe what you told me, as I would have no reason/knowledge to doubt you).       

 

 

MOKBA, you stated: It seems there hasn't been an interesting and challenging topic lately”….. please be my guest, and start a topic (you deem interesting) for us.

 

 

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bullet Posted: 03 May 2005 at 6:04am
Bi ismillahir rahmanir raheem

By mainly posting material copied from other sites (And not following normal "netiquette" by quoting the source), and more seriously, flooding the whole forum with such material without the obvious intention of engaging in proper debate, he was effectively spamming the boards. I believe this is strictly against most discussion board's guidelines of what constitutes acceptable behaviour.


A pattern of behaviour had to first be established, meaning this takes time. I actually considered the issue of spamming and counted his posts in certain sections, personaly i do not believe they fell into this category but no means was he flooding the board.

i asked him to tone down his reply and he did so to some extent although not enough to stop bothering people i guess.

i think we should move on as br Mockba sugested.

Nadir
Does this mean we are not allowed to challenge scholars or medical doctors, because we deem their knowledge superior to ours? I only ask, as I personally do not blindly follow anyone, whether it is a scholar, or a doctor.


the idea of chalenging an opinion would mean that something has to be posted first for you to chalenge it.
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bullet Posted: 03 May 2005 at 8:44am

An example under oppression in the new circumstances is bro Rehmat I think.

Brother Rehmat is such an intelligent brother who gives such intelligent answers to evil allegations. But some forum members came to dislike him, and he was declared an unwanted man.

If he has chosen to leave the forum, then we seem to have lost very much.

Certainly we didn't have to find him moderate enough for him to continue as a member of the forum.

From what I have read of his posts so far, I make this comment. 

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bullet Posted: 03 May 2005 at 1:50pm

Auzubillahi minash shaitan ir rajeem,

Bismillah ir rahman ir rahim,

Originally posted by Mustafaa

An example under oppression in the new circumstances is bro Rehmat I think.

 Rehmat is the most disrespectful Muslim I met on Islamicty in 4 years.

He called everyone zionost. Twisted and ended every discussion into an anti zion/anti-Jew propaganda.

He is unwelcome on Islamicity, and those who resort to his methods are likewise unwelcome.

Maa salaama,

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Shafaa un wa rahmatun lil mo'mineena
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bullet Posted: 04 May 2005 at 7:50am

The moderators did not delete his posts generaly becouse we could not find a forum guidline he was breaking,

 I don't know I think number 11 & 8 comes to mind:

11. Slanderous, defamatory, obscene, indecent, lewd, pornographic, violent, abusive, insulting, threatening and harassing comments are not tolerated. ALL comments by the person who adopts such a manner may be removed and the person will lose the privilege of participating in the forums in future. We will try to block attempts from the same person to sign up with a different name as well.

8. Posting several messages at random and not responding to the generated questions or dialogues following the original posts may also be considered as spamming.

Not to mention going way off topic many times within a thread.

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