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Quote Suleyman Replybullet Posted: 08 October 2006 at 10:21am

Originally posted by Duende

Suleyman I agree akmf's remarks are way out of line.

Akmf, that was a cheap shot, you don't have to insult this forum
member in this racist way.

UmmAmara seems to have a unique way of using English which I also
had a problem with at first, I'm a bit more tuned in to her flow now.
She has a 'sassy' voice, but she's young, and that's her style. She also
has a distinct African kind of approach to Islam I think none of us
here have been able to appreciate and some Brothers and Sisters are
being nasty about that.

I am ashamed to see such blatant racism and uncalled for attacks.






Dear Duende,

 

The issue is out of  the language skills neither being an distinct African nor on about her talking style...the issue is behind the scenes as an wise sister of you,you should have been realized, i believe now your heart has realized...

Uganda....Africa...poor life...lost hopes...abuses,lies...killings...starvings...being forgotten...paganism...disrespect...lost human rights...Islam...One Hope....the one they found at their ends...the one value they now have  in their whole life...the one way to escape...the first smile came after the cry of so many years...and now loudly speaks...take it back!....take it back!...take these words back!...

Seems like an mother cry while loosing her baby!...Islam is her baby and please let her being untouched by words...she has no obligation on being polite to Pope who  the one has the obligation on being polite to this world...

She closed her eyes to the world except Islam,because we are the African People who closed the file in this world only hoping from Allah...we are The African People saw the end of this world while you were not there,please forgive our voices coming up to you rude,please forgive us we are The African People coming in from the cold...please forgive us we were unable to read books and having our educations on science and sociology...we are coming in from the cold entering first steps to the happy days...please know that after these sincere rude voices our children will learn to move with wisdom and knowledge but please do not wait from us while trying to appear in the darkness....  

BOB MARLEY

EXODUS/MOVING TO THE FATHERLAND=AFRICA

Exodus, movement of Jah people, oh yeah
Open your eyes and let me tell you this

Men and people will fight ya down (Tell me why?)
  when ya see Jah light
Let me tell you, if you're not wrong (Then why?)
  ev'rything is alright
So we gonna walk, alright, through the roads of creation
We're the generation (Tell me why)
  trod through great tribulation
 
Exodus, movement of Jah people
Exodus, movement of Jah people

Open your eyes and look within
Are you satisfied with the life you're living?
We know where we're going; we know where we're from
We're leaving Babylon, we're going to our fatherland

Exodus, movement of Jah people
(Movement of Jah people)
Send us another Brother Moses gonna cross the Red Sea
(Movement of Jah people)
Send us another Brother Moses gonna cross the Red Sea

Exodus, movement of Jah people
Exodus, Exodus, Exodus, Exodus,
Exodus, Exodus, Exodus, Exodus
Move! Move! Move! Move! Move! Move!

Open your eyes and look within
Are you satisfied with the life you're living?
We know where we're going; we know where we're from
We're leaving Babylon, we're going to the fatherland

Exodus, movement of Jah people
Exodus, movement of Jah people
Movement of Jah people (4 times)
Move! Move! Move! Move! Move! Move!

Jah come to break down 'pression, rule equality
Wipe away transgression, set the captives free

Exodus, movement of Jah people
Exodus, movement of Jah people
Movement of Jah people (5 times)

Move! Move! Move! Move! Move! Move!
Movement of Jah people (5 times)



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Quote Hanan Replybullet Posted: 09 October 2006 at 8:14am

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Quote Duende Replybullet Posted: 09 October 2006 at 11:10am
Hanan: Is this really the “African approach to Islam?” I am deeply hurt
by being labeled a racist. I CAN NOT be a racist, believe me. I did not
intend to be nasty about UmmAmara‘s approach to Islam, I simply do
not believe certain things"

I reckon you have as good a nose as Whisper on such things and I
defer to your intuition. I did not mean to label you a racist,
nevertheless, I think it's unwise to proclaim oneself incapable of such
a thing. Unfortunately we are all capable, you only have to look at
situations such as the Tutsi/Hutu slaughters, and the current
situation in parts of Sudan.

And I'm thinking also of our aquaintance, the ineffable Mighty Foi,
who is engaged in some kind of revenge racism. A natural reaction, (I
guess they feel), from African Americans after so many years of
being subjected to it. (There's always an excuse for racist attitudes.)

It seems to me Islam is absorbed into different cultures along with
the cultural baggage of that culture, resulting in variations on a
theme which are sometimes shocking, to those whose understanding
of Islam is different. Who is to say how one should believe? Is islam
as understood in Saudi Arabia better, more Moslem, than the Islam
practised in Iran, Turkey, or a South London suburb?

Each one of us has a unique, personal interpretation of our beliefs
which doesn't confer the right to judge another's.

I wasn't sure what Suleyman was getting at, he has very generously
bestowed me with some wisdom I seem to have ignored! But I
question the use of a Rastafarian's song to explain the impact of
Islam on Africa .... ?    
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Quote Suleyman Replybullet Posted: 09 October 2006 at 11:19am

Originally posted by Duende

I wasn't sure what Suleyman was getting at, he has very generously
bestowed me with some wisdom I seem to have ignored! But I
question the use of a Rastafarian's song to explain the impact of
Islam on Africa .... ?    

Long story Dear Duende,long story....





Bob Marley



From "Survival", Bob Marley's most political LP at a time of increased political turbulence in Africa: in Angola and Mozambique fighting intensified, and in Zimbabwe the struggle was finally coming to a head.

On the "Survival" tour Bob Marley and The Wailers consciously opened their US dates at the legendary Apollo in Harlem. Bob felt that he hadn't been marketed sufficiently to black people; reggae, viewed condescendingly by many American blacks, appeared to be seen as a threat to r'n'b; getting on black radio was near impossible. After the Apollo shows, however, longstanding residents of Harlem claimed that the area had not buzzed like that since Marcus Garvey's time there. This was the desired effect: Bob was telling black people to wake up.




Africa, Unite
'Cause we're moving right out of Babylon
And we're going to our father's land

How good and how pleasant it would be
Before God and man, yeah
To see the unification of all Africans, yeah
As it's been said already let it be done, yeah
We are the children of the Rastaman
We are the children of the Higher Man

So Africa, Unite 'cause the children wanna
come home
Africa, Unite 'cause we're moving right
out of Babylon
And we're grooving to our father's land

How good and how pleasant it would be
Before God and Man
To see the unification of all Rastaman, yeah

As it's been said already let it be done
I tell you who we are under the sun
We are the children of the Rastaman
We are the children of the Higher Man

So, Africa, Unite, Africa, Unite
Unite for the benefit of your people
Unite for it's later than you think
Unite for the benefit of your children
Unite for it's later than you think

Africa awaits its creators, Africa awaiting
its creators
Africa, you're my forefather cornerstone
Unite for the Africans abroad, unite for
the Africans a yard
Africa, Unite


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Quote Duende Replybullet Posted: 09 October 2006 at 2:17pm
Okay Suleyman, I know Bob Marley was a powerfull figure for uniting
Black people everywhere, but he was not a figure in Islam, am I
wrong?

Rastafarianism, although it holds some admirable tenets, has
nothing to do with Islam. They believe the old King of Ethiopia, Haile
Salassi (the lion of Africa) was actually a god.
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Quote Suleyman Replybullet Posted: 09 October 2006 at 10:52pm

Sure Duende,you are right,no doubt...but i should remind you that you can't expect everyhing from every people,i just want to use the message of Bob for calling them to Islam,Bob(used to,so sad) and his followers has an great potential carrying their cells to entering to Islam with the message of Bob because they really love Bob and some part of his messages are really good fitting to Islam Soul,i am not supporting Rasta and it's stupid living style...all i imagine is on Bob's message for them....I have a Rasta friend from Chicago who goes to university,first we discussed on Bob and now she reads the four basics terms of Qur'an by Maulana Maududi,alhamdulilah when i appear on the msn she says as salam or alhamdulilah...

Same on me,i was also an university student when i listened Bob and my life was damned,no pray no ghusl and no knowledge inside my life i was really suffering then Bob appeared with his songs moved me to God then i found my way...

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Quote Duende Replybullet Posted: 10 October 2006 at 12:58am
Thank you Suleyman.

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Quote UmmAmara Replybullet Posted: 10 October 2006 at 11:36am

dEarEST hANAn,

These people here(suleyman+duende) who told u what they told u,had obviousy read the article from the start to the last...i dont remember answering to ur reply...but the way u just came up to interfere my conversation wit duende,obviously told me ur just looking for attention especially wat u wrote in ur reply.And u say that u dont care how much i say Allah's name,that i dont intimdate u?I am not here to intimdate anyone...its ur deeds in the end that wil count.On the Day of Judgement father shall know no son...so why would i want to intimdate u?The prophet said..the best thing u could for ur self is wet ur lips with rememberance for Allah SW...thats why i say it.NOT because i want to intimidate u.U seem to have very little knowledge in Islam otherwise u would not have an outburst like this.About Africa...anyone who reads the way u wrote ur article can say u were being racist...if am wrong plz go back to ur post and re-read it 2times and see how it sounds.U really dwell on uganda and u put it like i dont know where spain is...thats the problem with people who see africans low-class people like how akmf wrote that i should go back to beat drums on trees.I might live in africa but u dont know me,my father can be a rich man that he can buy the entire wealth u have 10times.Kenyan coffe and tea exports 90% of its produce worldwide...if u ask anyone who deals in that sector they can tel u that,so most probably the tea ur drinking right there,comes from the guys who beat drums on trees.Diamond&gold is mined in Tanzania&southafrica,cocoa,oil,tablemats,kikoys,sculptur es,to mention but afew comes from the people who beat drums on trees.So when people see us as low class they shud think twice bcoz we lowclass people provide most of the raw&ready made things people in canada,us,uk,europe&asia use.This is just a small educative paragraph about us africans.

I couldnt help notice but u seem to have an attitude...and by the way am a chic not a dude.Why are taking replies from different postings and putting them up here...its irrelevant because they flow in their own way,someone can interpret the msg badly yet when u read it from its original post its a harmless thought.U & akmf seemed to have concantenated together to act on where i come from thats why u c people think ur racist...ur posts seem to be that u support each other.

I see u apologzed...no harm taken.I accept that apology...coz saying sorry makes someone a better person.

Suleyman...thanx for stepping up...its good to see ur positve thots abt africans.Jazakallah.

Lady Duende,my offer still stands.

Acquisition of knowledge requires a great deal of patience and hardwork.
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