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    Posted: 23 April 2005 at 8:21am

Bismillah,

Thank you for your post Ummziba. 

I don't understand why muslims want to pray in mixed men/women groups with strangers.  This is the issue that I disagree with.  But I congratulate the woman leader for standing up and leading, unlike me for example who just goes on discussion boards. 

Dear Muslim Women Leaders, Please don't forget to listen to people who would follow your leadership.  Otherwise, it is not leadership at all, just showmanship, or showwomanship, as you like. 

I don't want to pray beside a strange man.  Make separate aisles and more people will support you.



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Quote Angel Replybullet Posted: 23 April 2005 at 8:46am

I don't think women leading prayer will tear the ummah apart.

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Quote herjihad Replybullet Posted: 23 April 2005 at 8:55am

Bismillah,

I miss praying beside my muslim sisters.  (Except the ones that used to stuff my hair in!) 

 

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Quote allah akbar Replybullet Posted: 23 April 2005 at 3:44pm

since when in our religion women and men are to be in the same area praying or a women have her voice raised.a womens voice is private just like a muslim covers up to fulfil the muslim religion

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Quote Nausheen Replybullet Posted: 23 April 2005 at 9:00pm

Auzubillahi minash shaitan ir rajeem,

Bismillah ir rahman ir rahim,

I dont really understand what is meant by mixed prayers? Are there not mosques already where men and women both praying together? Thought this was okay, as women have a separate area exclusively for themselves - behind the men.

If they are to lead a prayer for a man, their prayer is invalid.

So what is wrong with people? - may be it is all political. Hope the majority will soon hush the whole thing.

 

 

In the Name of Allah the Merciful and Compassionate,

On the authority of Aisha (Allah be pleased with her), the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) said,  “There is no good in the congregation of women.” Ahmad, and Tabrani in Awsat)

At the same time, it is reported by Rayta that Aisha (Allah be pleased with her) led them in the prayers and stood in between, in a fard prayer. ( Imam Abdul Razzaq in his Musannaf)

Imam Zafar Usmani explains the two ahadith by stating that that  first narration explains the general offensiveness of women’s own congregation . Sayyida Aisha's leading of prayer, which is stated in the latter hadith, indicates the permissibility at times and to teach the women the proper method of prayer.

We do not negate the permissibility of this matter, to such an extent that if they were to pray in congregation of their own, we would state the validity of the prayer.  (Imam Zafar Usmani, I’la al-Sunan 4: 215)

Without such a reason, however, a congregation of women would be prohibitively disliked (makruh tahriman), [Maraqi al-Falah, Hashiyat Ibn Abidin.] because it is going against that which has been legislated, which is that women either pray alone (given the normal case would be for them to pray at home), or behind a male congregation.

The Hanafi imams also note that had it been something that was a general recommendation or generally permissible for women, then the female companions of the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace), who were most avid to seek Allah's pleasure would have adopted it as a widespread practice. But there is nothing to indicate that this was the case, from which the Hanafis (and many other mujtahids from the salaf) understood that the narrations of permissibility indicate the exceptional cases, explained above, and not the rule.

It is also important to understand that the nature of legal responsibility differs between men and women. That which is best for men to do is not necessarily best for women, and vice versa. And all are commanded seek the pleasure of Allah, as He wants from them.

And Allah knows best.

Shaykh Ilyas Patel and Faraz Rabbani.

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Quote Angel Replybullet Posted: 23 April 2005 at 10:47pm
Originally posted by Nausheen

Auzubillahi minash shaitan ir rajeem,

Bismillah ir rahman ir rahim,

I dont really understand what is meant by mixed prayers? Are there not mosques already where men and women both praying together? Thought this was okay, as women have a separate area exclusively for themselves - behind the men.

And that is what I thought too  

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Quote rami Replybullet Posted: 24 April 2005 at 3:52am
Bi ismillahir rahmanir raheem

assalamu alaikum

sorry about that i pressed the wrong button, i dont know how to merge the topics again :(
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Quote Nausheen Replybullet Posted: 24 April 2005 at 10:12am

Auzubillahi minash shaitan ir rajeem,

Bismillah ir rahman ir rahim,

Originally posted by rami

Bi ismillahir rahmanir raheem

assalamu alaikum

sorry about that i pressed the wrong button, i dont know how to merge the topics again :(

i told u not to play with these things

 

 

 

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