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Quote Andalus Replybullet Posted: 19 March 2007 at 8:41pm
Originally posted by Al-kafir

Originally posted by Duende

Al-Kafir wrote:
“Except for your claiming so, I’m not aware that “(the majority non-
Muslim)” refuse to believe (9-11) as you claim.”

That’s okay Al-Kafir, it’s obvious you’re not very aware, period.

Steve Watson & Alex Jones / Prisonplanet.com | October 14 2006

According to the new New York Times/CBS News poll, only 16% of
Americans think the government is telling the truth about 9/11 and
the intelligence prior to the attacks:

"Do you think members of the Bush Administration are telling the
truth, are mostly telling the truth but hiding something, or are they
mostly lying?

Telling the truth 16%

Hiding something 53%

Mostly lying 28%

Not sure 3%"

The 84% figure mirrors other recent polls on the same issue. A
Canadian Pollput the figure at 85%. A CNN poll had the figure at 89%.
Over 80% supported the stance of Charlie Sheen when he went public
with his opinions on 9/11 as an inside job.

A recent CNN poll found that the percentage of Americans who
blame the Bush administration for the September 11, 2001, attacks
on New York and Washingtonrose from almost a third to almost half
over the past four years. This latest poll shows that that figure has
again risen exponentially and now stands at well over three quarters
of the population

Ah yes. “Prisonplanet”. That bastion of conspiracy theory promoting drivel which is eaten up by the… umm… how shall we say… “less than clever?”.   

 

Goofy “Prisonplanet” Polls do not elucidate facts and hard evidence which is always lacking on the part of the wacky conspiracy theorists.

So again, please do believe these conspiracy theories. I encourage you to do so. As comic relief, you are endlessly amusing.   

 

And yet more tirless drivel ad nauseum. You simply whine and complain and label, and to top it off, you ignore the other polls. You also committed a genetic fallacy: So what if something comes from prison planet, that does not make it wrong.

 Your name fits you, "cover the truth".

 



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Quote Duende Replybullet Posted: 20 March 2007 at 12:12am
Al-Kafir/RuggedTouch wrote:
"It’s as though you embrace the inverse of reason and rationality.
You operate backwards starting from a desperately desired answer
then proceeding to the imaginary and invented evidence needed to
prove it. In the fixed cast of the rabid conspiracy theorist the weight
of endlessly repeated fantasy and conjecture is simply smothering."

Aah my friend, don't you see how you have just described yourself?
Al-kafir/RuggedTouch wrote:
“You’re enthralled with conspiracy theories because they reinforce
your learned hatreds and biases.”

But Al-Kafir/RuggedTouch it is your reinforced hatred of Muslims
that brings you here to denigrate and label, lie and further reinforce
your learned hatreds and fears.

You said:
“There is an unmistakable manipulative influence at work there.”
(Ah yes, the 'mano negra'.)

George. W. Bush said: “See, in my line of work you got to keep
repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink
in...to kind of catapult the propaganda."

Servetus, thankyou for your brilliant exposé.
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Quote BMZ Replybullet Posted: 20 March 2007 at 2:31am

Duende, Andalus & Serv

 

Al-kafir aka Rugged Touch,

I can recommend you some sites where you can shew and shine your flair and others will do that to you better and with a great pleasure.



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Quote Al-kafir Replybullet Posted: 20 March 2007 at 2:58am
Originally posted by Andalus

Originally posted by Al-kafir

Originally posted by Duende

Al-Kafir wrote:
“Except for your claiming so, I’m not aware that “(the majority non-
Muslim)” refuse to believe (9-11) as you claim.”

That’s okay Al-Kafir, it’s obvious you’re not very aware, period.

Steve Watson & Alex Jones / Prisonplanet.com | October 14 2006

According to the new New York Times/CBS News poll, only 16% of
Americans think the government is telling the truth about 9/11 and
the intelligence prior to the attacks:

"Do you think members of the Bush Administration are telling the
truth, are mostly telling the truth but hiding something, or are they
mostly lying?

Telling the truth 16%

Hiding something 53%

Mostly lying 28%

Not sure 3%"

The 84% figure mirrors other recent polls on the same issue. A
Canadian Pollput the figure at 85%. A CNN poll had the figure at 89%.
Over 80% supported the stance of Charlie Sheen when he went public
with his opinions on 9/11 as an inside job.

A recent CNN poll found that the percentage of Americans who
blame the Bush administration for the September 11, 2001, attacks
on New York and Washingtonrose from almost a third to almost half
over the past four years. This latest poll shows that that figure has
again risen exponentially and now stands at well over three quarters
of the population

Ah yes. “Prisonplanet”. That bastion of conspiracy theory promoting drivel which is eaten up by the… umm… how shall we say… “less than clever?”.   

 

Goofy “Prisonplanet” Polls do not elucidate facts and hard evidence which is always lacking on the part of the wacky conspiracy theorists.

So again, please do believe these conspiracy theories. I encourage you to do so. As comic relief, you are endlessly amusing.   

 

And yet more tirless drivel ad nauseum. You simply whine and complain and label, and to top it off, you ignore the other polls. You also committed a genetic fallacy: So what if something comes from prison planet, that does not make it wrong.

 Your name fits you, "cover the truth".

 

Because you seem similarly bereft of reading comprehension skills, since when do polls take the place of facts and evidence?

If you're just going to parrot the comments of other conspiracy theorists, why bother wasting everyone's time?

 

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Quote Servetus Replybullet Posted: 20 March 2007 at 10:12am

Al-Kafir aka RuggedTouch wrote:
… That is how the “less than discerning” are able to convince themselves that Joooos control the world …

 

Be that as it may, the “less than discerning” are as usual wrong.  Jews don’t control the world.  According to Winston Churchill, a reader, when he wasn’t busy actually writing history, not only of Nesta Webster but perhaps of British tabloids as well, they are only the (a-hem) force majeure behind the worldwide Communist conspiracy to conscript the world’s wealth.

 

It is, rather, by means of its all-powerful institution, the Council on Foreign Relations, not to mention one of its preeminent institutions, Georgetown University, that the Vatican (and the Jez-you-iiiiiiits) controls the rest of the world.  For proof, just fly to Tel Aviv and ask Barry Chamish.

 

 

Serv

 

Democracy is a conspiracy, designed to thwart my political will to power!



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Quote nu001 Replybullet Posted: 20 March 2007 at 11:05am
Originally posted by Al-kafir

Because you seem similarly bereft of reading comprehension skills, since when do polls take the place of facts and evidence?

If you're just going to parrot the comments of other conspiracy theorists, why bother wasting everyone's time?

Kafir, here I quote from your own post on 4th Jan 2007 in the link http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/zaid_shakir/2007/ 01/my_conversion_was_my_most_form.html

You may read your own post and tell us/stop shouting nonsense; who is believing on conspiracy theories? You gave up Islam coz you felt some st**id eithists, that you read, were more logical? Shame on conspirators like you:

Quoted text from Kafir: [[I can’t remember exactly when the seed of doubt implanted in my mind about the religion I born into. It could be then when I used to attend the Friday prayers in the mosque and my hands were raised too with the believers to praise Allah and his Rasul (Prophet) to bring devastation to Israel day after day, Friday after Friday with no result. ...................

My father is a very strict and devoted Muslim. He went to Mecca to perform the hajj. When I was a college student, we used to perform magreeb, eesha and Fazr salat with jamat at home. My father used to be the imam and we two brothers were his followers. ................. 

After 9/11, once just to see what happens, I put the word “anti-Islam” in google and clicked search. It led me to the answering Islam.org. For almost 2 years I have been clinging to that site to read its contents almost every day. That time I felt I am not alone. And there are many evil minds like me who are after the truth. It empowered my mind and attested my questions and thoughts about Islam. I started feeling that in some extent I was correct about Islam. This site helped me a lot. I started to copy paste many articles in my hard disk to read them later. I have taken books available there and from other similar sites. .......................

I could not make up my mind how and from where to start. Writing book using materials I already collected, was a dangerous idea considering the situation, so I decided not to do that. Moreover, after that incident, I don't think any publisher would be interested in any book that would definitely be banned here by less than a week. ..................]]

Your post clearly declares your intension; that's to join the conspirators of Islam....
It was a very cheap thought; driven by the desire to be cheaply famous !! by exploiting religion !! Only a filthy conspirator can have such thoughts.

You have the right to accept/reject any religion; but your logic for going against islam is weak, mysterious and blurred by your evil desires.



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Quote Duende Replybullet Posted: 23 March 2007 at 10:02am
Kafir is RuggedTouch and shall Inshallah shortly be banned, check
his use of English in the quote above and in Servetus brilliant
exposé.

And now, to add more fuel to his rabid rejection of unofficial theories
and to agitate his slack jawed, glazed eye'd expression:
(www.blog.agoracosmopolitan.com/?p=154)

Former CIA official supports Professor's claim that official 9/11
Islamist conspiracy theory are lies
by Paul Chen
David Ray Griffin.


David Ray Griffin is widely recognized as one of the leading
spokespersons of the 9/11 truth movement. This is by virtue of his
previous four books on the subject. Professor Griffin and a growing
list of scholars, other researchers as well as diverse experts and
activists, reject the official Islamist mastermind conspiracy theory
about 9/11 advanced by Establishment interests.

Although the 9/11 truth movement was long ignored by the U.S.
government and the mainstream media, recent polls have shown that
(as Time magazine has acknowledged) the rejection of the official
theory has become "a mainstream political phenomenon."

It is not surprising, therefore, that the U.S. government and the Big
Business controlled media have shifted tactics. No longer ignoring
the 9/11 truth movement, they have released a flurry of stories and
reports aimed at debunking it.

In David Ray Griffin's new book entitled Debunking 9/11, shows that
these attempts can themselves be easily debunked.

"Debunking 9/11 is a superb compendium of the strong body of
evidence showing the official U.S. Government story of what
happened on September 11, 2001 to be almost certainly a
monstrous series of lies. Tragically, the entire course of U.S. foreign
and domestic policies since that date has grown out of these almost
certain falsehoods," says Bill Christison, former senior official of the
CIA.

Mr. Christison further indicates that, "This single book could (and
should) provide the basis for the United Nations International Court
of Justice, or some specially constituted global body (independent of
the U.S.) to investigate with highest priority, and publicly report its
findings about, the charge that unknown elements within the U.S.
Government, and possibly some individuals elsewhere closely allied
to the U.S., caused or contributed to causing the events of September
11 to happen.”

Besides demonstrating the pitiful failure of "Debunking 9/11 Myths"
(published by Popular Mechanics and endorsed by Senator John
McCain), Professor Griffin critically challenges recent reports and
stories put out by the US Department of State, the National Institute
of Standards and Technology, the New York Times, Vanity Fair, and
Time magazine.

Professor Griffin also responds to criticisms of these efforts by left-
leaning and Christian publications -- which one might have expected
to be supportive.

Throughout these critiques, Griffin shows that the charge that is
regularly levelled against critics of the official theory -- that they
employ irrational and unscientific methods to defend conclusions
based on faith -- actually applies more fully to those who defend the
official theory.

“Considering how the 9/11 tragedy has been used by the Bush
administration to propel us into immoral wars again and again, I
believe that David Ray Griffin's provocative questions about 9/11
deserve to be investigated and addressed,” says Howard Zinn, author
of A People’s History of the United States.

"Professor Griffin is the nemesis of the 9/11 cover-up. This new
book destroys the credibility of the NIST and Popular Mechanics
reports and annihilates his critics," says Paul Craig Roberts, Assistant
Secretary of the U.S. Treasury during the Reagan administration.

“David Ray Griffin hits another one out of the park by taking on the
left gatekeepers and the mass media for the lies and cover-up called
‘the official story of 9/11/01,’ which is the greatest conspiracy
theory ever perpetrated on the American public. I highly recommend
this book for all thinking Americans,” further indicates Meria Heller,
Producer Host of the Meria Heller Show (www.meria.net).

This book, by debunking the most prevalent attempts to refute the
evidence cited by the 9/11 truth movement, shows that this
movement's central claim -- that 9/11 was an inside job -- remains
the only explanation that fits the facts.
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Quote Al-kafir Replybullet Posted: 23 March 2007 at 4:04pm

Originally posted by Duende


This book, by debunking the most prevalent attempts to refute the
evidence cited by the 9/11 truth movement, shows that this
movement's central claim -- that 9/11 was an inside job -- remains
the only explanation that fits the facts.

It seems that “David Ray Griffin” is making quite a nice living placating the conspiratorial musings of the gullible and the easily persuaded. Not that the 9/11 conspiracy nuts will allow their musing to be imposed upon by facts and reality. I’m afraid your entire worldview is couched in terms of vast conspiracy theories, conspired amongst a vast collection of unnamed and unidentified conspirators for an as yet unidentified goal. And make no mistake, you are so consumed with conspiracy theories that your every waking moment is spent looking over your shoulder for the Zionist/CIA/Freemason/Enemy of Islam™, boogeyman.

 

As noted previously, I encourage you to believe each and every conspiracy theory that you stumble across. It is probably for the best that you not know the truth. You will be happier believing your "conspiracy theories".

I recognize why all digressions are so attractive to intellectual dead enders as they flail about in the polluted backwash of ongoing conspiracy theories, but evoking these endless conspiratorial musings hardly serves honest discussion - although, admittedly, the shared difficulty in coming to grips with reality is certainly a cogent parallel of the phenomenon of irrational denial. Still, Self deceit – well, that works too. Carry on!

 

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