I guess, ummmm.....Thank you

I'm not sure why you need those people (the experts you have called) to help people ?

And why should it be a battle because you believe in God (Allah) and they may not, which they may do believe in God but its not your conclusion or from you conclusion/result.

Why does science have to have a moral purpose ?

Why does science have to have a God (in it) ?

I do realise that people who doubt that God exist require proof but I believe that those who do believe need proof - why else are they believing in the existence of God ?  

You believe in God, because you have proof, if you didn't, would you still believe then ?

I get the feeling those experts of yours may do believe in God but do not exactly believe in your results your evidence. (I am just guessing here I maybe wrong) 

I don't know, maybe that's the price you need to pay.

But you are holding back because of your own fear, whether right or wrong, its up to the individual to believe or not.  

I'm still not sure what the Chief will do  

But anyway if you have a duty as a muslim to share the knowledge bestowed upon you then I think you need to overcome that fear of yours 

Nadir, I read your PM and I accept your apology, but I believe I didn't exactly asked for help  all I did was mentioned about the issues of 'claims' and that's when you jumped down my throat which as I said was unfair to do so address to me when its meant for others in that post to me.

The only advice I have is to distingush between those you speak of, address to, it will make life little easier  

Assalaamu alaikum

Firstly may I apologise for my error of leaving out a couple of sentences from the ‘No chance, it’s the Almighty’ piece I posted above. I realised my mistake (in transferring/typing the piece over) this morning, I have corrected it now, & it is hence complete.

Angel, I fear you have missed the point…..

“Why does science have to have moral purpose?”

“Why does science have to have God (in it)?”

The aim of science is to try & perceive the secrets of existence. If the very purpose of existence is to Worship Allah (SWT), & to live in accordance with His Moral Law (Islam), then God & Morality play an essential role not only within science, but also in life as a whole.

“And I (Allah) created not the Jinn and mankind except that they should worship Me (Alone)” [Surah 52, Verse 56]

“You believe in God, because you have proof, if you didn't, would you still believe then?”

Initially I perceived the nirvana of morality, sound belief in a Creator of the Heavens & the Earth came later. Although admittedly I was unsure how to live my life in accordance with true morality (Islam), hence evidence of a supreme being served to strengthen my faith.

“I get the feeling those experts of yours may do believe in God but do not exactly believe in your results your evidence. (I am just guessing here I maybe wrong)”

If that is the case, aren’t they the foolish ones, seen as though they have not seen my evidence/results. If they have already made a conclusion, does that mean they profess to know the Unseen?

“I don’t know, maybe that’s the price you need to pay. But you are holding back because of your own fear, whether right or wrong, it’s up to the individual to believe or not.”

True, but I really need to discuss (important) issues with people of wisdom, before I start spurting out knowledge that may help those, I do not wish to help.

“I am with Deist that its not whether one believes in God or not and to try make one believe but what is out there, the evidence - proof or disproof. And I am not sure what this has to with Creation vs Chance”

“Nadir, since you came in with your talk perhaps you can tell us what your talk has to do with creation vs chance? I think somewhere along the line it got missed as nearly all has to do with that you have evidence for the existence of God”

I am not sure what you mean by “I am with Deist..…” Does that mean you support Darwin’s theory of evolution? If I may enlighten you with regards to evolution, and REAL chance/choice…

If you were to believe Darwin’s theory, then the thing we call LOVE, is simply a genetically inherited trait, which has been passed down through the genes, as it enhances the chance of human survival. Hence in Darwinian terms there is less choice than in Creationism, as it least in Creationism - LOVE - is a real emotion, which we are free to give (& accept) to whom we please. Darwin’s theory suggests that, LOVE is merely genetic instinct, of which we have no control!

If I may share a hadith with you (may not be the best English – Arabic translation of the hadith, but the main point is still clear)…..

Sayyidina Huzayfah (RA) has said that the Messeger of Allah (SWT) said: “As for the things that Dajjal will have, I know them better than Dajjal. He will have two rivers, one of which will seem to the onlooker as a blazing fire and the other white water. Any of you who encounters it, should shut (his/her) eyes and drink water from the river which seems to be a fire, because (in fact) it is cool water, and he/she should keep himself away from the other river because it is torment…. “ 

With regards to your statement: “…that its not whether one believes in God or not, & to try and make one believe, but it’s what is out there, the evidence – proof or disproof.”

Again I stress the I have the scientific proof, although If I may also share with you a passage from the Holy Qur’an, with regards to - trying to make people believe…..

“And had your Lord willed, those on earth would have believed, all of them together. So will you then compel mankind, until they become believers.” [Surah 10, Verse 99]

Wasalaam

nadir

This perhaps requires a new thread.

Ok

If you want to leave, I can't stop you but No, you're not wasting your time.