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tufail
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Joined: 13 July 2005 Online Status: Offline Posts: 3 |
   Posted: 25 July 2005 at 3:37am |
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In the Book, Creation AND/OR Evolution: An Islamic Perspective by T.O.Shanavas (ISBN # 1-4134-6580-3 published by Xlibris publishers
http://www2.xlibris.com/bookstore/bookdisplay.asp?bookid=232 95), there is a chapter on chance & God. It will answer and raise many questions. Tufail |
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Angel
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Joined: 03 July 2001 Online Status: Offline Posts: 6626 |
Posted: 08 August 2005 at 8:57am |
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Well, I'm not sure if you are still here or not, if you are here goes
Originally posted by midway
O sweet Angel, unto you I do return
and same here, apologies for taking soooooooo long
Originally posted by midway
Originally posted by Angel
As much as I believe that - I believe it (science) is much more than that. And I've come to know that its not the scientists job to prove or disprove God. There are scientists who believe in God's existence and there are scientists that don't. I don't believe I missunderstood when I posed those 2 questions of mine. I don't believe science is there to prove morality or not, partly why I asked why does science have to have moral purpose ?
“Why does science have to have God (in it)?” O sweet Angel, softly whisper in my ear, what is the purpose of this science, of which I hear?
As finely poetic that sounded Do you think you can answer my questions ?
But Nadir, you are coming from Islam! Not everyone believes the purpose of existence is to worship Allah/God. And not everyone believes in Islam whether they are scientists or not. (Not that should shut the door on some knowledge islam may offer). OK, now as midway, on a level plane we stand…
ok but I believe its not midway anymore
If you are attracted to ‘some’ of the knowledge Islam offers, will you please share with me your – ‘some not’? I wasn't talking specifically about myself here.
{{You do realise this is all presumptions of us here ;-) so nothing is probably truth?}}
Why are they foolish because they have different result/evidence to believe in God from you ? "If they have already made a conclusion, does that mean they profess to know the Unseen?" No of course not, as I said earlier its not their job. Believing in God is somewhat a personally issue. I believe in God and have a few things that go with it but it does not make me know the unseen. Do you profess to know the unseen ?
I know I am not wasting my time with you! And I am sure you could show me a thing or two about God & Luuuuve!!!!! heee heee
Why do you answer my questions with a question ? (lol, I just did the very thing you do to me)
Where did Darwin come into this What I mean is that I agree with Deist when he mentioned its not whether one believes or not in God - even though he spoke about himself. I'm not sure what Darwin has to do with it? Darwin’s theory of evolution is one of the foundations supporting atheistic (ie Chance as a pose to Creation) scientific opinions, hence the reason I mentioned it/him.
o.k, but the thoery of evolution can be a foundation/s for supporting theistics, afterall Darwin himself was a believer in religion and God.
Again repeat : Nadir, since you came in with your talk perhaps you can tell us what your talk has to do with creation vs chance? I think somewhere along the line it got missed as nearly all has to do with that you have evidence for the existence of God I mentioned the science I know of, in this debate, because it supports the Creationist side of the argument. Sorry I have been ‘hard-work’, true wisdom/knowledge will have the effect of humbling, as a pose to making one haughty.
If I remember correctly, you haven't exactly explained your argument / put forth, just that you have evidence for.
If you were to believe This perhaps requires a new thread. From my own personal experience… Within the Chance side of the debate, I (as an emotional entity) am incapacitated… This is because ‘I’ am merely a product of genetic inheritance. From here, this thing I know of as Love, is a predetermined trait! Hence I am (genetically) restricted in how much it/I can grow & achieve. (From experience) I (personally) have no hope here… Within the Creationist side of the debate, I am free… God has promised that, if I do good works & grow closer to Him, the possibilities are endless. From here, I can take my Love (a real emotion) & improve, beautify and expand it immeasurably. I have hope here… hope that comforts my soul
As said this bit requires another thread. I don't exactly agree with points you mention. All I say is this, Love is more than emotion, It is a state of being. All good comes from love, from the act of love.
and lastly....
Where does it say that Darwin's theory is perfect ? Where does it say that Darwin's theory is the sole theory of life on/in this universe? /evolution ?
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AtheistforLife
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Joined: 29 August 2005 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2 |
Posted: 29 August 2005 at 9:50am |
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http://www.atheistnetwork.com/viewtopic.php?t=4207&start =0 Where is your evidence of a Deity? That is the only relevant question. |
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Whisper
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Joined: 25 July 2004 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 4752 |
Posted: 29 August 2005 at 10:26am |
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AtheistforLife! What a screen name. Is that a promise, a threat or a mere state of mind?
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AtheistforLife
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Joined: 29 August 2005 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2 |
Posted: 30 August 2005 at 10:27am |
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All I asked is give me some (empirical) proof of your deity or any deity?
Atheists have nothing to defend (literally). So why just not give us one piece, one tiny scrap, of hard and empirical evidence that your god exists? |
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Suleyman
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Joined: 10 March 2003 Location: Turkey Online Status: Offline Posts: 3324 |
Posted: 30 August 2005 at 12:04pm |
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May be i am listening too much Bob Marley.... 
How can you be sitting there Telling me that you care That you care When everytime I look around The people suffer in suffering In everyway. In everywhere Na-na-na-na-na We're the survivors; yes, the black survival I tell you what Some people got everything Some poeple got nothing Some people got hopes and dreams Some people got ways and means Na-na-na-na-na We're the survivors; yes, the black survival Yes we're the survivors like Daniel out of the lions' den, survivors, survivors So my brethren, my sisthren Which way will we choose We better hurry, oh hurry woe now 'Cause we got no time to lose Some people got facts and claims Some peole got pride and shame Some people got the plots and schemes Some people got no aim it seems Na-na-na-na-na We're the survivors; yes, the black survival We're the survivors; yes, the black survival We're the survivors like shadrach, meshach and abednego Thrown in the fire but never get burn So my brethren, my sisthren The preaching and talking is done We gotta live up woe now, woe now 'Cause the father's time has come Some people put the best outside Some people keep the best inside Some people can't stand up strong Some people won't wait for long Na-na-na-na-na We're the survivors; a black survival In this age of technological inhumanity We're the survivors black survival Scientific atrocity, we're the survivors Atomic mis-philosophy, we're the survivors Nuclear mis-energy It's a world that forces lifelong insecurity All together now we're the survivors Yes, the black survival A good man is never honoured in his own country, black survival Nothing change, nothing strange Nothing change, nothing strange We got to survive, we've got to survive But to live as one equal in the eyes of the almighty |
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