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America's Rottweiler

IN HIS latest speech, which infuriated so many people, Syrian President
Bashar al-Assad uttered a sentence that deserves attention: "Every new
Arab generation hates Israel more than the previous one."

Of all that has been said about the Second Lebanon War, these are
perhaps the most important words.

The main product of this war is hatred. The pictures of death and
destruction in Lebanon entered every Arab home, indeed every Muslim
home, from Indonesia to Morocco, from Yemen to the Muslim ghettos in
London and Berlin. Not for an hour, not for a day, but for 33 successive
days - day after day, hour after hour. The mangled bodies of babies, the
women weeping over the ruins of their homes, Israeli children writing
"greetings" on shells about to be fired at villages, Ehud Olmert blabbering
about "the most moral army in the world" while the screen showed a heap
of bodies.

Israelis ignored these sights, indeed they were scarcely shown on our TV.
Of course, we could see them on Aljazeera and some Western channels,
but Israelis were much too busy with the damage wrought in our Northern
towns. Feelings of pity and empathy for non-Jews have been blunted here
a long time ago.

But it is a terrible mistake to ignore this result of the war. It is far more
important than the stationing of a few thousand European troops along
our border, with the kind consent of Hizbullah. It may still be bothering
generations of Israelis, when the names Olmert and Halutz have long
been forgotten, and when even Nasrallah no longer remember the name
Amir Peretz.


IN ORDER for the significance of Assad's words to become clear, they
have to be viewed in a historical context.

The whole Zionist enterprise has been compared to the transplantation of
an organ into the body of a human being. The natural immunity system
rises up against the foreign implant, the body mobilizes all its power to
reject it. The doctors use a heavy dosage of medicines in order to
overcome the rejection. That can go on for a long time, sometimes until
the eventual death of the body itself, including the transplant.

(Of course, this analogy, like any other, should be treated cautiously. An
analogy can help in understanding things, but no more than that.)

The Zionist movement has planted a foreign body in this country, which
was then a part of the Arab-Muslim space. The inhabitants of the country,
and the entire Arab region, rejected the Zionist entity. Meanwhile, the
Jewish settlement has taken roots and become an authentic new nation
rooted in the country. Its defensive power against the rejection has
grown. This struggle has been going on for 125 years, becoming more
violent from generation to generation. The last war was yet another
episode.


WHAT IS our historic objective in this confrontation?

A fool will say: to stand up to the rejection with a growing dosage of
medicaments, provided by America and World Jewry. The greatest fools
will add: There is no solution. This situation will last forever. There is
nothing to be done about it but to defend ourselves in war after war after
war. And the next war is already knocking on the door.

The wise will say: our objective is to cause the body to accept the
transplant as one of its organs, so that the immune system will no longer
treat us as an enemy that must be removed at any price. And if this is the
aim, it must become the main axis of our efforts. Meaning: each of our
actions must be judged according to a simple criterion: does it serve this
aim or obstruct it?

According to this criterion, the Second Lebanon War was a disaster.


FIFTY NINE years ago, two months before the outbreak of our War of
Independence, I published a booklet entitled "War or Peace in the Semitic
Region". Its opening words were:

"When our Zionist fathers decided to set up a 'safe haven' in Palestine,
they had a choice between two ways:

"They could appear in West Asia as a European conqueror, who sees
himself as a bridge-head of the 'white' race and a master of the 'natives',
like the Spanish Conquistadores and the Anglo-Saxon colonists in
America. That is what the Crusaders did in Palestine.

"The second way was to consider themselves as an Asian nation returning
to its home - a nation that sees itself as an
heir to the political and cultural heritage of the Semitic race, and which is
prepared to join the peoples of the Semitic region in their war of
liberation from European exploitation."

As is well known, the State of Israel, which was established a few months
later, chose the first way. It gave its hand to colonial France, tried to help
Britain to return to the Suez Canal and, since 1967, has become the little
sister of the United States.

That was not inevitable. On the contrary, in the course of years there have
been a growing number of indications that the immune system of the
Arab-Muslim body is starting to incorporate the transplant - as a human
body accepts the organ of a close relative - and is ready to accept us.
Such an indication was the visit of Anwar Sadat to Jerusalem. Such was
the peace treaty signed with us by King Hussein, a descendent of the
Prophet. And, most importantly, the historic decision of Yasser Arafat, the
leader of the Palestinian people, to make peace with Israel.

But after every huge step forward, there came an Israeli step backward. It
is as if the transplant rejects the body's acceptance of it. As if it has
become so accustomed to being rejected, that it does all it can to induce
the body to reject it even more.

It is against this background that one should weigh the words spoken by
Assad Jr., a member of the new Arab generation, at the end of the recent
war.


AFTER EVERY single one of the war aims put forward by our government
had evaporated, one after the other, another reason was brought up: this
war was a part of the "clash of civilizations", the great campaign of the
Western world and its lofty values against the barbarian darkness of the
Islamic world.

That reminds one, of course, of the words written 110 years ago by the
father of modern Zionism, Theodor Herzl, in the founding document of
the Zionist movement: "In Palestine…we shall constitute for Europe a part
of the wall against Asia, and serve as the vanguard of civilization against
barbarism." Without knowing, Olmert almost repeated this formula in his
justification of his war, in order to please President Bush.

It happens from time to time in the United States that somebody invents
an empty but easily digested slogan, which then dominates the public
discourse for some time. It seems that the more stupid the slogan is, the
better its chances of becoming the guiding light for academia and the
media - until another slogan appears and supersedes it. The latest
example is the slogan "Clash of Civilizations", coined by Samuel P.
Huntington in 1993 (taking over from the "End of History").

What clash of ideas is there between Muslim Indonesia and Christian
Chile? What eternal struggle between Poland and Morocco? What is it that
unifies Malaysia and Kosovo, two Muslim nations? Or two Christian
nations like Sweden and Ethiopia?

In what way are the ideas of the West more sublime than those of the
East? The Jews that fled the flames of the auto-da-fe of the Christian
Inquisition in Spain were received with open arms by the Muslim Ottoman
Empire. The most cultured of European nations democratically elected
Adolf Hitler as its leader and perpetrated the Holocaust, without the Pope
raising his voice in protest.

In what way are the spiritual values of the United States, today's Empire of
the West, superior to those of India and China, the rising stars of the
East? Huntington himself was compelled to admit: "The West won the
world not by the superiority of its ideas or values or religion, but rather
by its superiority in applying organized violence. Westerners often forget
this fact, non-Westerners never do." In the West, too, women won the
vote only in the 20th century, and slavery was abolished there only in the
second half of the 19th. And in the leading nation of the West,
fundamentalism is now also raising its head.

What interest, for goodness sake, have we in volunteering to be a political
and military vanguard of the West in this imagined clash?


THE TRUTH is, of course, that this entire story of the clash of civilizations
is nothing but an ideological cover for something that has no connection
with ideas and values: the determination of the United States to dominate
the world's resources, and especially oil.

The Second Lebanon War is considered by many as a "War by Proxy".
That's to say: Hizbullah is the Dobermann of Iran, we are the Rottweiler of
America. Hizbullah gets money, rockets and support from the Islamic
Republic, we get money, cluster bombs and support from the United
States of America.

That is certainly exaggerated. Hizbullah is an authentic Lebanese
movement, deeply rooted in the Shiite community. The Israeli government
has its own interests (the occupied territories) that do not depend on
America. But there is no doubt that there is much truth in the argument
that this was also a war by substitutes.

The US is fighting against Iran, because Iran has a key role in the region
where the most important oil reserves in the world are located. Not only
does Iran itself sit on huge oil deposits, but through its revolutionary
Islamic ideology it also menaces American control over the near-by oil
countries. The declining resource oil becomes more and more essential in
the modern economy. He who controls the oil controls the world.

The US would viciously attack Iran even it were peopled with pigmies
devoted to the religion of the Dalai Lama. There is a shocking similarity
between George W. Bush and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, The one has
personal conversations with Jesus, the other has a line to Allah. But the
name of the game is domination.

What interest do we have to get involved in this struggle? What interest do
we have in being regarded - accurately - as the servants of the greatest
enemy of the Muslim world in general and the Arab world in particular?

We want to live here in 100 years, in 500 years. Our most basic national
interests demand that we extend our hands to the Arab nations that
accept us, and act together with them for the rehabilitation of this region.
That was true 59 years ago, and that will be true 59 years hence.

Little politicians like Olmert, Peretz and Halutz are unable to think in
these terms. They can hardly see as far as the end of their noses. But
where are the intellectuals, who should be more far-sighted?

Bashar al-Assad may not be one of the world's Great Thinkers. But his
remark should certainly give us pause for thought.


Edited by Daniel Dworsky
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Quote superme Replybullet Posted: 28 August 2006 at 2:56am

Daniel, thanks for this long article. I have a bit of comments to some of it.--------

AFTER EVERY single one of the war aims put forward by our government had evaporated, one after the other, another reason was brought up: this war was a part of the "clash of civilizations", the great campaign of the Western world and its lofty values against the barbarian darkness of the Islamic world.

When someone or some people who is/are mute (no much knowledge) have no respect to the masses - they just bombarding them with repetitive formula as though the audience are stupid who have no right whatsoever to view their own opinion. Repeating the same word which has slipped in the eyes of the victim is self insulting.

The highest achievement in life is having knowledge or knowledges that others derived benefits from it.

It happens from time to time in the United States that somebody invents an empty but easily digested slogan, which then dominates the public discourse for some time. It seems that the more stupid the slogan is, the better its chances of becoming the guiding light for academia and the media - until another slogan appears and supersedes it. The latest example is the slogan "Clash of Civilizations", coined by Samuel P. Huntington in 1993 (taking over from the "End of History").

The same as above. There is no refutation, therefore for others it is meaningless computerized burp.

Huntington himself was compelled to admit: "The West won the world not by the superiority of its ideas or values or religion, but rather by its superiority in applying organized violence. Westerners often forget this fact, non-Westerners never do."

It's true as anyone can see it but not entirely. The internet we are using is the western achievemnet, one of so many.

We want to live here in 100 years, in 500 years. Our most basic national interests demand that we extend our hands to the Arab nations that accept us, and act together with them for the rehabilitation of this region. That was true 59 years ago, and that will be true 59 years hence.

And certainly it will be more than just 6 millions, the land is needed. How will they fit the ever increasing population? simple 1400 years ago, simple today and simple still in the future. The jews in the time of the Prophet never walk away from Arabia, they dissolved:

Say: O People of the Scripture! Come to an agreement between us and you: that we shall worship none but Allah, and that we shall ascribe no partner unto Him, and that none of us shall take others for lords beside Allah. And if they turn away, then say: Bear witness that we are they who have surrendered (muslim) (3:64) 

Little politicians like Olmert, Peretz and Halutz are unable to think in these terms. They can hardly see as far as the end of their noses. But where are the intellectuals, who should be more far-sighted?

Sharon bolt out from a party he partly responsible in the past and created a new party that became an instant hit, on what promise?

Let see what happen.

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Quote Daniel Dworsky Replybullet Posted: 28 August 2006 at 5:34am
Ideally this place should be a democratic federation with a law of return
applying to Palestinians as well as Jews. Demographics be damned.
What is the point of being jewish if you have to break every jewish law,
moral code and spiritual goal to do it?
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Quote herjihad Replybullet Posted: 28 August 2006 at 6:29pm

Originally posted by Daniel Dworsky

Okay, I'm almost through being a drama queen and I'm going to get back
to work here. Heeeeeeeeeeere's URI!!!!!!

America's Rottweiler

IN HIS latest speech, which infuriated so many people, Syrian President
Bashar al-Assad uttered a sentence that deserves attention: "Every new
Arab generation hates Israel more than the previous one."

Of all that has been said about the Second Lebanon War, these are
perhaps the most important words.

The main product of this war is hatred. The pictures of death and
destruction in Lebanon entered every Arab home, indeed every Muslim
home, from Indonesia to Morocco, from Yemen to the Muslim ghettos in
London and Berlin. Not for an hour, not for a day, but for 33 successive
days - day after day, hour after hour. The mangled bodies of babies, the
women weeping over the ruins of their homes, Israeli children writing
"greetings" on shells about to be fired at villages, Ehud Olmert blabbering
about "the most moral army in the world" while the screen showed a heap
of bodies.

Israelis ignored these sights, indeed they were scarcely shown on our TV.
Of course, we could see them on Aljazeera and some Western channels,
but Israelis were much too busy with the damage wrought in our Northern
towns. Feelings of pity and empathy for non-Jews have been blunted here
a long time ago.

But it is a terrible mistake to ignore this result of the war. It is far more
important than the stationing of a few thousand European troops along
our border, with the kind consent of Hizbullah. It may still be bothering
generations of Israelis, when the names Olmert and Halutz have long
been forgotten, and when even Nasrallah no longer remember the name
Amir Peretz.


IN ORDER for the significance of Assad's words to become clear, they
have to be viewed in a historical context.

The whole Zionist enterprise has been compared to the transplantation of
an organ into the body of a human being. The natural immunity system
rises up against the foreign implant, the body mobilizes all its power to
reject it. The doctors use a heavy dosage of medicines in order to
overcome the rejection. That can go on for a long time, sometimes until
the eventual death of the body itself, including the transplant.

(Of course, this analogy, like any other, should be treated cautiously. An
analogy can help in understanding things, but no more than that.)

The Zionist movement has planted a foreign body in this country, which
was then a part of the Arab-Muslim space. The inhabitants of the country,
and the entire Arab region, rejected the Zionist entity. Meanwhile, the
Jewish settlement has taken roots and become an authentic new nation
rooted in the country. Its defensive power against the rejection has
grown. This struggle has been going on for 125 years, becoming more
violent from generation to generation. The last war was yet another
episode.


WHAT IS our historic objective in this confrontation?

A fool will say: to stand up to the rejection with a growing dosage of
medicaments, provided by America and World Jewry. The greatest fools
will add: There is no solution. This situation will last forever. There is
nothing to be done about it but to defend ourselves in war after war after
war. And the next war is already knocking on the door.

The wise will say: our objective is to cause the body to accept the
transplant as one of its organs, so that the immune system will no longer
treat us as an enemy that must be removed at any price. And if this is the
aim, it must become the main axis of our efforts. Meaning: each of our
actions must be judged according to a simple criterion: does it serve this
aim or obstruct it?

According to this criterion, the Second Lebanon War was a disaster.


FIFTY NINE years ago, two months before the outbreak of our War of
Independence, I published a booklet entitled "War or Peace in the Semitic
Region". Its opening words were:

"When our Zionist fathers decided to set up a 'safe haven' in Palestine,
they had a choice between two ways:

"They could appear in West Asia as a European conqueror, who sees
himself as a bridge-head of the 'white' race and a master of the 'natives',
like the Spanish Conquistadores and the Anglo-Saxon colonists in
America. That is what the Crusaders did in Palestine.

"The second way was to consider themselves as an Asian nation returning
to its home - a nation that sees itself as an
heir to the political and cultural heritage of the Semitic race, and which is
prepared to join the peoples of the Semitic region in their war of
liberation from European exploitation."

As is well known, the State of Israel, which was established a few months
later, chose the first way. It gave its hand to colonial France, tried to help
Britain to return to the Suez Canal and, since 1967, has become the little
sister of the United States.

That was not inevitable. On the contrary, in the course of years there have
been a growing number of indications that the immune system of the
Arab-Muslim body is starting to incorporate the transplant - as a human
body accepts the organ of a close relative - and is ready to accept us.
Such an indication was the visit of Anwar Sadat to Jerusalem. Such was
the peace treaty signed with us by King Hussein, a descendent of the
Prophet. And, most importantly, the historic decision of Yasser Arafat, the
leader of the Palestinian people, to make peace with Israel.

But after every huge step forward, there came an Israeli step backward. It
is as if the transplant rejects the body's acceptance of it. As if it has
become so accustomed to being rejected, that it does all it can to induce
the body to reject it even more.

It is against this background that one should weigh the words spoken by
Assad Jr., a member of the new Arab generation, at the end of the recent
war.


AFTER EVERY single one of the war aims put forward by our government
had evaporated, one after the other, another reason was brought up: this
war was a part of the "clash of civilizations", the great campaign of the
Western world and its lofty values against the barbarian darkness of the
Islamic world.

That reminds one, of course, of the words written 110 years ago by the
father of modern Zionism, Theodor Herzl, in the founding document of
the Zionist movement: "In Palestine…we shall constitute for Europe a part
of the wall against Asia, and serve as the vanguard of civilization against
barbarism." Without knowing, Olmert almost repeated this formula in his
justification of his war, in order to please President Bush.

It happens from time to time in the United States that somebody invents
an empty but easily digested slogan, which then dominates the public
discourse for some time. It seems that the more stupid the slogan is, the
better its chances of becoming the guiding light for academia and the
media - until another slogan appears and supersedes it. The latest
example is the slogan "Clash of Civilizations", coined by Samuel P.
Huntington in 1993 (taking over from the "End of History").

What clash of ideas is there between Muslim Indonesia and Christian
Chile? What eternal struggle between Poland and Morocco? What is it that
unifies Malaysia and Kosovo, two Muslim nations? Or two Christian
nations like Sweden and Ethiopia?

In what way are the ideas of the West more sublime than those of the
East? The Jews that fled the flames of the auto-da-fe of the Christian
Inquisition in Spain were received with open arms by the Muslim Ottoman
Empire. The most cultured of European nations democratically elected
Adolf Hitler as its leader and perpetrated the Holocaust, without the Pope
raising his voice in protest.

In what way are the spiritual values of the United States, today's Empire of
the West, superior to those of India and China, the rising stars of the
East? Huntington himself was compelled to admit: "The West won the
world not by the superiority of its ideas or values or religion, but rather
by its superiority in applying organized violence. Westerners often forget
this fact, non-Westerners never do." In the West, too, women won the
vote only in the 20th century, and slavery was abolished there only in the
second half of the 19th. And in the leading nation of the West,
fundamentalism is now also raising its head.

What interest, for goodness sake, have we in volunteering to be a political
and military vanguard of the West in this imagined clash?


THE TRUTH is, of course, that this entire story of the clash of civilizations
is nothing but an ideological cover for something that has no connection
with ideas and values: the determination of the United States to dominate
the world's resources, and especially oil.

The Second Lebanon War is considered by many as a "War by Proxy".
That's to say: Hizbullah is the Dobermann of Iran, we are the Rottweiler of
America. Hizbullah gets money, rockets and support from the Islamic
Republic, we get money, cluster bombs and support from the United
States of America.

That is certainly exaggerated. Hizbullah is an authentic Lebanese
movement, deeply rooted in the Shiite community. The Israeli government
has its own interests (the occupied territories) that do not depend on
America. But there is no doubt that there is much truth in the argument
that this was also a war by substitutes.

The US is fighting against Iran, because Iran has a key role in the region
where the most important oil reserves in the world are located. Not only
does Iran itself sit on huge oil deposits, but through its revolutionary
Islamic ideology it also menaces American control over the near-by oil
countries. The declining resource oil becomes more and more essential in
the modern economy. He who controls the oil controls the world.

The US would viciously attack Iran even it were peopled with pigmies
devoted to the religion of the Dalai Lama. There is a shocking similarity
between George W. Bush and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, The one has
personal conversations with Jesus, the other has a line to Allah. But the
name of the game is domination.

What interest do we have to get involved in this struggle? What interest do
we have in being regarded - accurately - as the servants of the greatest
enemy of the Muslim world in general and the Arab world in particular?

We want to live here in 100 years, in 500 years. Our most basic national
interests demand that we extend our hands to the Arab nations that
accept us, and act together with them for the rehabilitation of this region.
That was true 59 years ago, and that will be true 59 years hence.

Little politicians like Olmert, Peretz and Halutz are unable to think in
these terms. They can hardly see as far as the end of their noses. But
where are the intellectuals, who should be more far-sighted?

Bashar al-Assad may not be one of the world's Great Thinkers. But his
remark should certainly give us pause for thought.

Bismillah,

Yes, they should.  (Us being the Israeli Jewish community and maybe the community in the US?)

Al-Hamdulillah (From a Married Muslimah) La Howla Wa La Quwata Illa BiLLah - There is no Effort or Power except with Allah's Will.
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Quote herjihad Replybullet Posted: 28 August 2006 at 6:30pm

Originally posted by Daniel Dworsky

Ideally this place should be a democratic federation with a law of return
applying to Palestinians as well as Jews. Demographics be damned.
What is the point of being jewish if you have to break every jewish law,
moral code and spiritual goal to do it?

Bismillah,

Yes.  The means matter very much, especially to Allah.  Thanks for this article.  (I think we need a Uri Averny section under the middle east!)

Salaamu Alaykum

Al-Hamdulillah (From a Married Muslimah) La Howla Wa La Quwata Illa BiLLah - There is no Effort or Power except with Allah's Will.
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Quote Daniel Dworsky Replybullet Posted: 29 August 2006 at 3:42am
Bismillah,

Yes. The means matter very much, especially to Allah. Thanks for this
article. (I think we need a Uri Averny section under the middle east!)

Salaamu Alaykum

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Quote superme Replybullet Posted: 29 August 2006 at 1:18pm

Originally posted by Daniel Dworsky

Ideally this place should be a democratic federation with a law of return
applying to Palestinians as well as Jews. Demographics be damned.
What is the point of being jewish if you have to break every jewish law, moral code and spiritual goal to do it?

Yeah, nothing further than the truth. In the NT it is called as "lost". The son of Mary said in it: I am not sent but to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

"This is our land" so the claim announced. The question is according to whom or according to what?

"We are jews, better race than you". Again according to whom or according to what?

The sad side is - this what is stated in the Qur'an 1400 years ago. Without DO from religious point of view all this claims are invalid. If they do it properly than there is no much differences with Islam, infact they will be feel at home with Islam.

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Quote Daniel Dworsky Replybullet Posted: 29 August 2006 at 3:24pm
With all do respect to history and "claims" Some of these people have no
where else to go. All parties should either stay home in safety or come home
and be helped to resettle. Those with 58 year old keys to the homes they
fled should be compensated. Settlements that were cynically set up in
Palestine as a land grabbing ruse should be dismantled. The inhabitants of
Itamar and Tapuach should be sedated like rogue polar bears and relocated
on fantasy Island with Richardo Montobon and Amir Peretz in his new job.
Everyone should get an electric car and a life supply of Prozac.
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