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Quote Angela Replybullet Posted: 28 August 2006 at 10:36am

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Christians say salvation comes only through Jesus, once you have heard of him, of course

I find this view rather short sighted.  Any time a faith claims that the only salvation is in a specific way removes one HUGE factor in the proceedings.  God's Will.

We will all be judged...but there is never a true definitive statement that says what that judgement will be.  Our deeds, thoughts and intentions will be laid out bare.  If a Muslim does not accept Christ as the Son of God because he has been taught since childhood that this is an unforgivable sin and yet lead a pious, charitable and good existence, then a Just and Righteous God is not going to cast him in the fiery pits of hell.  In like manner, I believe this catagorically and there is room for this in my faith.

God will punish those according to their evil deeds and reward according to their good deeds.  We cannot judge what those punishments will be or if they will be eternal punishments.  People need to have faith in the Almighty God and his judgement being perfectly just.

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Quote Muhammad77 Replybullet Posted: 28 August 2006 at 11:55pm
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2:62 VERILY, those who have attained to faith [in this divine writ], as well as those who follow the Jewish faith, and the Christians, and the Sabians -all who believe in God and the Last Day and do righteous deeds-shall have their reward with their Sustainer; and no fear need they have, and neither shall they grieve.

Inna allatheena amanoo waallatheena hadoo waalnnasara waalssabieena man amana biAllahi waalyawmi alakhiri waAAamila salihan falahum ajruhum AAinda rabbihim wala khawfun AAalayhim wala hum yahzanoona

5:69 for, verily, those who have attained to faith [in this divine writ], as well as those who follow the Jewish faith, and the Sabians, and the Christians - all who believe in God and the Last Day and do righteous deeds - no fear need they have, and neither shall they grieve.

Inna allatheena amanoo waallatheena hadoo waalssabioona waalnnasara man amana biAllahi waalyawmi alakhiri waAAamila salihan fala khawfun AAalayhim wala hum yahzanoona

45:14 Tell all who have attained to faith that they should forgive those who do not believe in the com­ing of the Days of God, [since it is] for Him [alone] to requite people for whatever they may have earned.


Qul lillatheena amanoo yaghfiroo lillatheena la yarjoona ayyama Allahi liyajziya qawman bima kanoo yaksiboona

60:8 As for such [of the unbelievers] as do not fight against you on account of [your] faith, and neither drive you forth from your homelands, God does not forbid you to show them kindness and to behave towards them with full equity: <>Asad(60,9) for, verily, God loves those who act equitably.


La yanhakumu Allahu AAani allatheena lam yuqatilookum fee alddeeni walam yukhrijookum min diyarikum an tabarroohum watuqsitoo ilayhim inna Allaha yuhibbu almuqsiteena

 

At that time when those verses were revealed all Jews and Christians had not converted to Islam, and they were following Torah and Bible.

Till then they followed what was revealed before The Quran and ofcourse they had to believe in One Allah and be righteous.

Later when the order came to follow The Quran and Prophet Mohdammed sallallahu alayhi wa sallam, they all had to change and those who did not are disbelievers.

 


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Quote Muhammad77 Replybullet Posted: 29 August 2006 at 12:31am

Originally posted by Cyril

Are Christians monotheists or not?

http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6542& ;PN=1

 

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Quote Cyril Replybullet Posted: 29 August 2006 at 12:44am

Angela

Your quote:"I find this view rather short sighted.  Any time a faith claims that the only salvation is in a specific way removes one HUGE factor in the proceedings.  God's Will."

It is God's will. It can be read in the Gospels (according to Christians of course).

Your quote:" If a Muslim does not accept Christ as the Son of God because he has been taught since childhood that this is an unforgivable sin and yet lead a pious, charitable and good existence, then a Just and Righteous God is not going to cast him in the fiery pits of hell."

What you say is an interesting remark and I hope you are right. We must ask Christians if that is a conclusion that can be drawn from the Gospels.












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Quote Cyril Replybullet Posted: 29 August 2006 at 1:02am

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So according to you (or to your link?) Christians are disbelievers. Compared to Islam I can agree with that conclusion. I have always said that Islam and Christianity are different religions, contrary to those who say both believe in the same God.

So Christians are no longer people of the Book. Have the verses that say they are been put into the category of the abrogated verses?


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Quote peacemaker Replybullet Posted: 29 August 2006 at 4:56am

Everyone,

This section, "Islam for non-Muslims" is where non-Muslims can ask questions about Islam or Muslims can explain Islam to non-Muslims, therefore, please discuss here only what is related to Islam. For interfaith dialogue, please take part in "Interfaith" section.

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Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?
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Quote peacemaker Replybullet Posted: 29 August 2006 at 5:07am

Originally posted by Cyril


if he does any good such as helps poor and needy, takes care of neighbors, parents and family etc, he she will be rewarded for that even when he didn't become Muslim because he was not properly explained the message of Islam or the message of Islam was not available to him , for whatever the reasons.


There is exactly the same doctrine in Christianity.
But if you happen to know the Christian message that Jesus is God and you do not accept it, then whatever good deeds you do it will be of no avail, you will be jugded. Christians say salvation comes only through Jesus, once you have heard of him, of course.

While I appreciate your point of view, please discuss "Islam and Christianity" in Interfaith section. This section is devoted to Islam where non-Muslims can ask questions about Islam or Muslims can explain Islam to non-Muslims. But, interfaith dialogue, such as Islam-Christianity should take place in Interfaith.

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Quote Angela Replybullet Posted: 29 August 2006 at 8:54am

Peacemaker, though not my original intention for this forum.  Can we discuss the basic fundemental view of other Abrahamic faiths by Muslims here?

Without any mixing of words or smoothing of feathers?

Are Jews and Christians believers or nonbelievers in Allah?  (Obviously not in Muhammed)

We are not talking about believers in the sense of the Sahada.  We are more discussing the belief that we are linked as cousins and not brothers????

What I get from reading the Quran is that we Christians and Jews are only believers if we accept Islam.  However, there are passages that offer hope and hadiths as well. 

Is that more of an appropriate format for this section.

The core of the conversation really is about Islam's view of Non-Muslims of Abrahamic Faiths.

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