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Quote ummziba Replybullet Posted: 16 May 2005 at 4:39am

Assalamu alaikum,

Al hamdulillah!  That is a very inspiring story, Firewall.  I, too, believe very much in the power of sincere prayer and that Allah does answer sincere prayers (sometimes in the most unexpected ways!).  It is really a matter of putting all of your faith in Allah.

I said in a much earlier post that the movie "Prostitution Behind The Veil" was very sad.  I believe it was sad because the people in it resorted to sin to "survive".  This kind of survival is not survival at all, only a sure way to everlasting condemnation in the Hereafter.  The life of this world is only fleeting, it is the Hereafter that counts - putting all our trust in Allah and worshipping Him sincerely is the true way to survive.

Peace, ummziba.

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Quote UmTayyab Replybullet Posted: 25 May 2005 at 12:51pm

Kim, please don't keep pasting all these terrible stories about peoples heinous sins.  First of all you are spreading gossip as you have not witnessed these events yourself, secondly, you have not verified these events from Islamically reliable sources, and thirdly, even if you had witnessed them, it is not Islamically correct to broadcast them. 

Islam doesn't allow for the revealing of one's sins until the punishment phase (after clear testimony and judgement by a qualified Muslim judge), and then only for the warning to the people not to repeat such a sin, and Islam doesn't allow the terrorizing of the population by such horrific stories.  When these attrocities and sins occur, it is not "freedom of the press, the people have a right to the truth" mantra, it is Islamically correct to protect the society from these horrors, and to prosecute the criminals quietly.

Don't spread such fitna to potential millions, you are focusing on the negative actions of people who happen to be muslim.  Let the communities deal with their own criminals.  What do you think you can do about it?  What do you think we can do about it?  You are only exciting and planting ideas in the minds of those who are weak and diseased.



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Quote herjihad Replybullet Posted: 25 May 2005 at 1:59pm

Bismillah,

UmTayyab,

I disagree with you.

Al-Hamdulillah (From a Married Muslimah) La Howla Wa La Quwata Illa BiLLah - There is no Effort or Power except with Allah's Will.
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Quote kim! Replybullet Posted: 25 May 2005 at 8:11pm

Umtayyab, I respect your position, but if people never talk about anything, how will anyone learn? How do we protect these women and their families if no one ever talks about anything?

Surely Islamic law says that these women should be whipped or killed - when really what they need is love, care, education and protection.

If we don't talk - these women may die. If people DO talk, then maybe we can save others from such dire situations.

Education involves talking.

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Quote UmTayyab Replybullet Posted: 26 May 2005 at 7:15am

What do you think you can do for them?  What do you think I can do for them?  Are you gonna get on a plane and go over there and find them and help them?

They have choice.  They know their society will punish them, they know they are committing a heinous sin against themselves and society. 

Surely Islamic law says that these women should be whipped or killed - when really what they need is love, care, education and protection.

Islamic Law is the Law God made, and no one has the authority to challenge it.  You think you know what Allah does not know?  You think you are smarter than the One who created you and your mother?

People have choice.  And there are consequences to choosing what is against what Allah has made permissible.  If the society turns a blind eye to sin, then the whole society suffers the punishment and the consequences.  The society which does it's best to deter (PUNISH!, NOT BEG!) sin is innocent of the sins which individuals commit.  These women are destroying marriages, spreading disease, bringing unstable children into the society (no stable family, no responsible father...).  If they are poor and alone, let them marry.

Islam teaches us that the unborn have rights over their parents.  It is the right of a woman's children who have not even been concieved yet that their mother chooses for them the best possible father and ensure to her best ability that they have a stable home and family (within a marriage!), and that they both provide for them out of what Allah has deemed their risque (their provision in life, rich, poor, healthy, weak, what is preordained for them before their birth). And it is the right of a man's children who have not even been concieved yet that their father chooses for them the best possible mother and ensure to his best ability that they have a stable home and family, and that they both provide for them out of what Allah has deemed their risque.

These women are denying their unborn children their rights.  These women are taking husbands and money from deserving women who keep their chastity and maintain the rights of their children (causing divorce due to infidelity, malcontentness with the chaste wife, distancing the hearts that are covered in lies and deception...).  These women are infecting society with disease of the body and disease of the mind and disease of the heart, and poisoning the iman of those who are not strong enough to fight their evil desires.  When it's "in your face", it is hard to turn away from if a person's iman is weak.



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Quote herjihad Replybullet Posted: 26 May 2005 at 9:48am

Bismillah,

As usual, the women are being blamed.  It is the men's fault and responsibility.  They are seeking pleasure; the women are making a lving. Besides, they are engaging in temporary marriages, which in their sect is not haram. 

They are not harming society.  They are a part of a huge problem that was there when they entered society.  Society should help them.  But maybe there are too many men who don't want a change to happen.

Maybe someone will help them because of a documentary.  Maybe when my kids grow up, I will.  Who knows?  And I heard about them here.  Hmmm.  People do care.  People will help.

And it's easy for a known loose woman with children to find a good, kind husband to support her and the kids??? Any takers guys?  (I mean, if she promises to be good and stop prostituting herself.)

Al-Hamdulillah (From a Married Muslimah) La Howla Wa La Quwata Illa BiLLah - There is no Effort or Power except with Allah's Will.
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Quote UmTayyab Replybullet Posted: 26 May 2005 at 10:06am
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Bismillah,

 Besides, they are engaging in temporary marriages, which in their sect is not haram. 

It IS haram, sectarian biddah does not make what is haram halal.  These women are not stupid, they know what they do is prostitution and not marriage.

Go over there then and let them wipe your face in the dirt when they finish taking all you have to give.  I have tried to help many young girls before I was Muslim, girls who used prostitution and stripping to pay for their food, rent, partying, drugs, men, toys, extravagance... and not one of them ever wanted to improve herself beyond getting better more expensive clothes, longer wigs, flashier fingernails and cooler designer drugs. 

You don't understand the psychology of a prostitute.  They enjoy the attention, the quick money and the high.  But go ahead, you'll learn this soon enough.



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Quote herjihad Replybullet Posted: 26 May 2005 at 10:52am

Bismillah,

In their area it is not haram.  They grew up with the idea of temporary marriages, and that is how their society views it.  Ask, investigate.

Supporting their kids and themselves is far different from the women you've known who are misguided by the god of materialism. 

 Your experiences are different than the women in other countries depicted in the original posted article here.  Open your mind and learn something new.  Someone with your experiences could really contribuite if you had a more open mind and more knowledge. (I'm not a sarcastic person.  Please don't take it the wrong way.)

Al-Hamdulillah (From a Married Muslimah) La Howla Wa La Quwata Illa BiLLah - There is no Effort or Power except with Allah's Will.
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