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   Yesterday night I had very hot talk with one friend of mine about shias, he insisting that shias are no so longer Muslim. I told him that we should not declare the Shias as disbeliever because they are believe on oneness of Allah's, they believe on all of Prophets, they believe on all Books of Allah, they believe on Angels & recursion of last day. They also believe that Mohammad (pbuh) is the last prophet & Holy Qurain is the word of Allah Almighty, So how we can say that these are less or disbeliever. 
He was giving the many arguments in favor of his stand but some of his arguments is put me in difficult position to counter. He was saying that shias are believe that Qurain consist on forty parts 10 parts were eaten by goats at the time of Hazart Osman, so it means they are not believing the present Qurain is complete which is consisting 30 parts. So in this way they are ignoring the Allah promise that I am the one who is revealing this & I will be a guardian of this. This friend was telling me that they also amend the Kalama (Taueed).
What is the my point here if Shias are the so big contradictions then why not Muslim Scholars unanimously decide about them as they did about Ahamdias.
May some one clarify truth. I expect the litteral input from all of you.

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mohammad Senior Member Joined: 15 September 2005 Location: Pakistan Online Status: Offline Posts: 385	Topic: What about Shias Posted: 12 August 2006 at 5:02am
	Yesterday night I had very hot talk with one friend of mine about shias, he insisting that shias are no so longer Muslim. I told him that we should not declare the Shias as disbeliever because they are believe on oneness of Allah's, they believe on all of Prophets, they believe on all Books of Allah, they believe on Angels & recursion of last day. They also believe that Mohammad (pbuh) is the last prophet & Holy Qurain is the word of Allah Almighty, So how we can say that these are less or disbeliever. He was giving the many arguments in favor of his stand but some of his arguments is put me in difficult position to counter. He was saying that shias are believe that Qurain consist on forty parts 10 parts were eaten by goats at the time of Hazart Osman, so it means they are not believing the present Qurain is complete which is consisting 30 parts. So in this way they are ignoring the Allah promise that I am the one who is revealing this & I will be a guardian of this. This friend was telling me that they also amend the Kalama (Taueed). What is the my point here if Shias are the so big contradictions then why not Muslim Scholars unanimously decide about them as they did about Ahamdias. May some one clarify truth. I expect the litteral input from all of you.
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ak_m_f Senior Member Joined: 15 October 2005 Location: Canada Online Status: Offline Posts: 3274	Posted: 12 August 2006 at 7:40am
	goats Good one
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Suleyman Senior Member Joined: 10 March 2003 Location: Turkey Online Status: Offline Posts: 3324	Posted: 13 August 2006 at 10:19pm
	Whether Shias are Muslim or not they did their best with Israel rather than Sunnis proving that Israel has an weak heart and army...i know this the rest is their problems...
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najamsahar Senior Member Joined: 21 June 2006 Location: Saudi Arabia Online Status: Offline Posts: 151	Posted: 16 August 2006 at 7:10am
	Many scholars refer to shia's as a deviated people. Some have called them non-muslims too. Precisely for the above reasons and the do some other stuff like pray differently with a piece of clay from karbala on the prayer mat. This goes back to the time when they wanted Ali RA to become the Caliph and this was turned down. In general Shia's also badmouth the rightly guided caliphs.allah protect everyone. -Najamsahar
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najamsahar Senior Member Joined: 21 June 2006 Location: Saudi Arabia Online Status: Offline Posts: 151	Posted: 16 August 2006 at 7:13am
	Shia people on the other hand are an extremely united community. They also have the complete respect for the people in authority. See the ayatollah regimes, these were based mainly on faith the people had in the ayatollah, unlike some regimes in the sunni world like saddam hussien that were based on fear and intimidation.
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Andalus Moderator Group Joined: 12 October 2005 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 1187	Posted: 16 August 2006 at 7:49am
	*Originally posted by mohammad* Yesterday night I had very hot talk with one friend of mine about shias, he insisting that shias are no so longer Muslim. I told him that we should not declare the Shias as disbeliever because they are believe on oneness of Allah's, they believe on all of Prophets, they believe on all Books of Allah, they believe on Angels & recursion of last day. They also believe that Mohammad (pbuh) is the last prophet & Holy Qurain is the word of Allah Almighty, So how we can say that these are less or disbeliever. He was giving the many arguments in favor of his stand but some of his arguments is put me in difficult position to counter. He was saying that shias are believe that Qurain consist on forty parts 10 parts were eaten by goats at the time of Hazart Osman, so it means they are not believing the present Qurain is complete which is consisting 30 parts. So in this way they are ignoring the Allah promise that I am the one who is revealing this & I will be a guardian of this. This friend was telling me that they also amend the Kalama (Taueed). What is the my point here if Shias are the so big contradictions then why not Muslim Scholars unanimously decide about them as they did about Ahamdias. May some one clarify truth. I expect the litteral input from all of you. Assalam Aleikum. I am not an expert about the Shi'ite path or experience. But I will say that I know numerous Shi'ites who mix with Sunnis at a local moque and they believe the Quran is complete and there is no mistake. Some pray with the clay tablet as a way of allowing the forehead to touch the earth, rather than, what could be a dirty floor. Allahu a'lim
	A feeling of discouragement when you slip up is a sure sign that you put your faith in deeds. -Ibn 'Ata'llah http://www.sunnipath.com http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/ http://www.pt-go.com/
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BMZ Moderator Group Joined: 03 April 2006 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1852	Posted: 16 August 2006 at 9:14am
	Shias read and recite exactly the same Qur'aan that all Muslims have, regardless of how many chapters "the goats" chewed.
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ak_m_f Senior Member Joined: 15 October 2005 Location: Canada Online Status: Offline Posts: 3274	Posted: 16 August 2006 at 9:27am
	*Originally posted by bmzsp* Shias read and recite exactly the same Qur'aan that all Muslims have, regardless of how many chapters "the goats" chewed. can goat eat paper?
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