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Quote herjihad Replybullet Posted: 27 July 2006 at 8:54pm

Originally posted by Daniel Dworsky

It was this Secular Arab woman saying things about Islam that if she was
Jewish I would have begged her to be silent. She made these sweeping
generalizations that you hear from little old men arguing in Yiddish.

It was so bizarre that I thought it was a joke.

Bismillah,

Well, she was attacking Arabs in general and Christian and Muslim Arabs in particular and said she was a human secularist.  Then she praised Jewish scholarship saying that they account for most of the up-dated knowledge and science in the world.  Something like that.

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Quote Daniel Dworsky Replybullet Posted: 27 July 2006 at 10:00pm
I liked and used her line "Believe in what ever stones you wish, Just don't
throw them at me" I was thoroughly entertained.
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Quote Duende Replybullet Posted: 02 August 2006 at 9:01am
Daniel, I have been thinking of the pictures of Israeli girls writing
messages on bombs for a few days. These pictures have been
published in so many different places on the web. And I want to
know; is it possible at all, do you think, to actually find those girls
and show them the photos of other Lebanese little girls who are
dead. Dead in their father's/mother's arms?

I really think learning this kind of lesson early is vital. Unfortunately,
children everywhere quickly learn the hatred and violence their
parents transmit to them and their surroundings teach them.

Put 12 Israeli and Palestinian/Lebanese children together in a play
group and I bet they won't all tear at each other's eyes. Only if an
adult tells them to.

And on a seperate note: I am disheartened to learn how obnoxious
activists can be, thank you for putting up with that and taking a
stand!

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Quote Daniel Dworsky Replybullet Posted: 02 August 2006 at 2:32pm
No. I would not show them graphic photos. I don't understand what or
how children were doing close to ordinance let alone writing on it. The
officer in charge will be serving at least a month in the can for this.
Any soldier who defaces army property here goes to jail or cleans toilets
for a week.
If it makes you feel any better, starting next week anyone handling
ordinance can expect to raise the chances of contracting cancer by 50 as
Bush will be providing us with depleted uranium shells.

I saw footage today of Hezbollah firing rockets from a hospital as well as
from apartment courts in upper middle class residential areas. Hezbollah
have also set up road blocks obstructing refugees from leaving areas that
were leafleted and designated for bombardment. Can someone explain
that to me? It seems we are in competition regarding how much carnage
we can purchase from each other. This is all so senseless.
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Quote Duende Replybullet Posted: 03 August 2006 at 6:27am
Indeed Daniel, no matter what the ideology behind the carnage, it is
wrong. Death does not solve anything, killing only spawns more
killing. But desperation is its own master.

I agree with you up to a point, showing graphic images of death and
blood to young children is not my first choice as an educational prop
either!

But look how many children and young impressionable adults see it
IN REAL LIFE daily, in Palestine, Iraq and now Lebanon. Nobody
thought to protect them from such trauma. Why should the girls who
wrote on those bombs be prevented from seeing images of the
results? Their mother's should ask them: "Would you like to see
where your bomb fell?" Children are both impressionable and
resilient, and maleable. That's why we have to strike while the iron is
hot, so to speak, and show them the consequences of their actions

Nevertheless, you can see such images on the front page of Spanish
newspapers. My daughter was very intrigued by the pictures of the
girls writing on the bombs, it was very hard to explain to her what it
was about. She's 4. Days ago, she also saw the photo on the front
page of a father running through the streets of Gaza holding his
dead child in his arms and I lied to her, telling her he was hurt but
going to the hospital. It would perhaps have been better to really talk
about how bad people sometimes cause such terrible things and tell
her in more detail. But it is beyond her.

It is beyond me, except that I have been seeing it all my life and so it
has become something 'normal' when we should all be finding it
abnormal.
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Quote Daniel Dworsky Replybullet Posted: 04 August 2006 at 2:37pm
Let them be children as long as possible. I hate that I was exposed to
archive footage of the the holocaust at 6 years old. Tonight I realized yet
again that my beliefs in equality democracy and human rights define me
as an anti-zionist. A song that brings tears to my eyes when I hear it
called "The Hope" (National Anthem of Israel) has a racist line in it. I wrap
my mind tightly around all of it and do the right thing. Emotionally It all
feels wrong no matter what I do. How can so many of the people I love be
unwittingly flirting with Fascism. The ghosts of my own relatives among
the six million who perished scold me in my dreams. Really they do. The
funerals and Shiva calls have started for my past and present students or
in some cases their fathers and Nasralla the moron is trying to hit my
house with chinese missiles. It's job security. If more people thought as I
do - he'd be out of a job. It's personal. I knew it.

Hey Nasrallah you look like a Goth version of the stay puff marsh mellow
man! Bite me.

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Quote herjihad Replybullet Posted: 05 August 2006 at 11:19am

Originally posted by Daniel Dworsky

Let them be children as long as possible. I hate that I was exposed to
archive footage of the the holocaust at 6 years old. Tonight I realized yet
again that my beliefs in equality democracy and human rights define me
as an anti-zionist. A song that brings tears to my eyes when I hear it
called "The Hope" (National Anthem of Israel) has a racist line in it. I wrap
my mind tightly around all of it and do the right thing. Emotionally It all
feels wrong no matter what I do. How can so many of the people I love be
unwittingly flirting with Fascism. The ghosts of my own relatives among
the six million who perished scold me in my dreams. Really they do. The
funerals and Shiva calls have started for my past and present students or
in some cases their fathers and Nasralla the moron is trying to hit my
house with chinese missiles. It's job security. If more people thought as I
do - he'd be out of a job. It's personal. I knew it.

Hey Nasrallah you look like a Goth version of the stay puff marsh mellow
man! Bite me.

Bismillah,

Yes, isn't it so funndy that we often want to do, or are somehow compelled to do the opposite of our parents!  And we think that it's because THEY were wrong.  But when my kids say, "That was you mom.  Our lives are different," when I'm trying to give them an ever-so-important hard learned life lesson.

So I'll be bold and say I understand really your point of view.  It's yours.  Keep it.  I just will say that I believe in letting kids know what's going on in the world without making them share responsibility because they are kids.  But our bombs are making those babies die and children become crippled or orphans.  I want my kids to know, and they are old enough now anyway. 

But when they were younger, I would expose them pictorally and verbally to as much truth as I thought that they could handle with the belief that if those kids could live through it, my kids could know about it in a meaningful way that would make them think about other people's suffering enough to want to do something to stop this madness when they are older.

It hasn't worked yet though.  I'd like to take them there personally.  I think a trip to Lebanon would be much more valuable than a trip to Disney.  But that's just me.

Your kids are living through it.  Sheltering kids who have to live through it is a different matter, isn't it?  They've seen plenty, and kids like that more than anything else need a rest.

In Shah Allah, all the kids and parents will rest soon and the bombings will be stopped.

Salaamu Alaykum

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Quote herjihad Replybullet Posted: 05 August 2006 at 11:36am

Goth version of the stay puff marsh mellow
man!

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