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Quote Israfil Replybullet Posted: 19 July 2006 at 8:33am

Angel point well said!

MOCKBA I perhaps agree with what you said that being Israel creating Hamas but again we are going back to the justification of terrorist groups. Time and time over many of you said "what do they do when they are fighting against tanks and rifles?" I remember a case where the people of Iran ousted the Shah without even using weapons! Many people were indeed massacred however it was non-violent to my understanding. The same can be said of Dr. King's movement (and please don't even fathom saying that this example isn't relevant) Dr. King walked hand in hand down a crowded street of angry whites who hated him ignorantly, because he is peace loving and because of his skin color.

Trust me.....If there didn't exist non-militarized groups such as Hamas and Hezbollah and if there were to only be civilians being killed the world including America would definitely be more inclined to be sympathetic. Because if Israel is seen only as the agressor without any retaliatory attacks coming from the other side, that being Palestinian terrorist groups and Lebanese Terrorist groups then the world would definitely and unanimously be more sympathetic. The world of course is sympathetic now however not as on the same level as it is with Israel.

Honestly, I feel sorry for both civilians. you all may only care about the children but I care about all lives lost on both sides. Because perhaps many of you are parents and you focus on the children however any innocent lives that are lost are equally as important. However my crazy theory here is that perhaps if Hezbollah or any terrorist faction puts down their arms and actually declare a stand down but Israel continued to bomb then I'd be on the side of Hezbollah.

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Quote MOCKBA Replybullet Posted: 19 July 2006 at 11:16am

Bismillah

Israfil, sometimes it helps to take off the shades to see the world in its real colors. Perhaps Rose's pictures are giving you nightmares as they flash images of murdered children, but you may want to notice that I covered all civilians and innocents including old men in wheelchairs in the posts you commented on.

It is useless to fantasize "what the world would be if...". 

You suggest Hezbollah lay down their weapons, would you also like them to deliver themselves together with the rest of Muslims to Guantanamo Bay, lock themselves in prison cells and squat naked before the world to make their point, concerning their determination, clear?

What do you read, brother?

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Quote DavidC Replybullet Posted: 19 July 2006 at 1:33pm
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You suggest Hezbollah lay down their weapons, would you also like them to deliver themselves together with the rest of Muslims to Guantanamo Bay, lock themselves in prison cells and squat naked before the world to make their point, concerning their determination, clear?



That would be stupid, but it would make more sense than the current strategy of sending in unguided missiles to major Israeli cities.  That strategy can only produce the maximum retaliation with the minimum impact.
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Quote MOCKBA Replybullet Posted: 19 July 2006 at 6:02pm

Bismillah

It would indeed be stupid and make no sense. As far as the result of the strategy is concerned, we do not know what it will produce. Time will tell.

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Quote Israfil Replybullet Posted: 19 July 2006 at 6:33pm
MOCKBA to your post all I can do is Sigh* well its obvious that we have differing opinions, to you your way and to me mine
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Quote MOCKBA Replybullet Posted: 19 July 2006 at 6:47pm

Bismillah

May Allah guide us all.

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Quote Megatron Replybullet Posted: 19 July 2006 at 9:11pm
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THIS time it is hezbollah's fault! they probably knew what would happen, and it did, AND now isreal is getting blamed for all, but please excuse me but isreal is NOT all to blame!



I strongly disagree with this view Angel.  Since Hamas took power, Israel has laid siege to the Gaza strip causing a potential humanitarian crisis.  Israel has abducted Palestinian ministers(democratically elected mind you) and it currently holds close to 9000 Palestinians in prisons, not allowing the Red Cross or any human rights group to monitor their treatment.

So how do 2 Israeli soldiers compare to this?  Also Hezbollah performed these acts as an act of solidarity for Hamas.  Gazans captured an Israeli soldier earlier and Israel was on the brink of performing a destructive military campaign to recover this soldier.  Hezbollah stepped in and gave the ol' "pick on someone your own size".

You may be asking why Gazans captured an Israeli soldier, however, Israel has cut off supplies to the Gaza strip and have continued to launch strikes against targets in Gaza.  The only option the Palestinians had was to capture an Israeli soldier.  What else could they do.  Israel refused to negotiate with Hamas because Hamas stands up to Israel intead of cow-towing to their ridiculous demands.

People used to complain about Palestinian suicide attacks because it attacks civilians.  Clearly Hamas and Hezbollah have made a policy shift and have targeted soldiers, while Israel launches missles in one of the most densely populated places on this planet and shrugs its shoulders when civilians die.  Yet despite this moral superiority, people still blame the Palestinians for this conflict.  I believe this is an erroneous view because it does not take all the facts into context.


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Quote Sign*Reader Replybullet Posted: 19 July 2006 at 9:26pm
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Angel point well said!

OK Angel ---it is not about Muslims, it is about Arabs and Jews--it is RACIST war--RU happy. If I take your mother and daughter captive and there is no recourse  available to you. Are you going to wait year after year and not do anything to get them back?Go read  Glatians in your Bible then comeback and tell us what does it say about the Arabs vs Jews.

MOCKBA I perhaps agree with what you said that being Israel creating Hamas but again we are going back to the justification of terrorist groups. Time and time over many of you said "what do they do when they are fighting against tanks and rifles?"

I remember a case where the people of Iran ousted the Shah without even using weapons! Many people were indeed massacred however it was non-violent to my understanding. ( isn't this statement oxymoronic

The same can be said of Dr. King's movement (and please don't even fathom saying that this example isn't relevant) Dr. King walked hand in hand down a crowded street of angry whites who hated him ignorantly, because he is peace loving and because of his skin color.

The blacks were landless slaves of the whites, asking for simple civil rights vs Palestinian land and independence from the Zionist big house --- U are comparing apples and oranges here, my dear

Trust me.....If there didn't exist non-militarized groups such as Hamas and Hezbollah and if there were to only be civilians being killed the world including America would definitely be more inclined to be sympathetic. Because if Israel is seen only as the agressor without any retaliatory attacks coming from the other side, that being Palestinian terrorist groups and Lebanese Terrorist groups then the world would definitely and unanimously be more sympathetic.

Which world you are thinking about? the western world is in Israel's back pocket. And Christian evengelicals are out  front cheering the destruction of the Arabs. That is what they are preaching from their Bible from their pulpits.

The world of course is sympathetic now however not as on the same level as it is with Israel.

Honestly, I feel sorry for both civilians. you all may only care about the children but I care about all lives lost on both sides. Because perhaps many of you are parents and you focus on the children however any innocent lives that are lost are equally as important. However my crazy theory here is that perhaps if Hezbollah or any terrorist faction puts down their arms and actually declare a stand down but Israel continued to bomb then I'd be on the side of Hezbollah.

Have you read the Crusade's history lately? Particularly the massacre of Jerusalem by the Crusaders

For your info IM not a Shia so no bias here.

Kismet Domino: Faith/Courage/Liberty/Abundance/Selfishness/Immorality/Apathy/Bondage or extinction.
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