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Quote unity1 Replybullet Topic: History of Muslims
    Posted: 15 April 2005 at 2:49am
Asalam Aalaikum

Their was a time when Muslims were the most progressive nation on the face of the earth due to their great contribution in many fields of knowledge especially in Astronomy, Medicines, and Mathematics, their trade links extended from Arabia till Europe on the contrary the West was living in darkness of ignorance.
That period was termed as "Golden Age"when more then half of the world was ruled by Muslims and history testifies to the fact that under their rule,every nation and minority had freedom to practice their religious duties and didnot face any kind of
persecution and oppression from the majority or from the
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Most of the Scientific discoveries were made during that time and several things were invented and several open-minded Western writers and historians have accepted this fact without any hesitation.

Suddenly ,Muslims lost their position and West started to gain power,people present their comments on this historical fact but the true cause of the downfall of muslims is still unknown .

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Quote semar Replybullet Posted: 17 April 2005 at 12:36am

Salam,

Many peoples said that the downfall of Islam caused by muslims distant to Islam. Is it true? If yes, which part of Islam that they distant to?



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Quote unity1 Replybullet Posted: 20 April 2005 at 1:00pm

Asalam Aalaikum

Actually according to my understanding and knowledge,the downfall of the muslims was basically because of the closing of the door for
"intellectual discussion and debate on Islam" which played a great role in the intellectual decline and stagnation of the Muslim Ummah.

As you can see now that our Muslim Ummah is not united and unfortunately is divided into several groups and sects which is definitely due to the reason that I have mentioned above.
Our Ulemas donot prefer and encourage religious discussions and only want the people to listen to what they state but I donot think it will help.

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Quote semar Replybullet Posted: 20 April 2005 at 6:39pm

Assalamu alaikum,

I think "intellectual discussion and debate on Islam"  still exist since al-ghazali till know. But the discussion is only FIQH (islamic law/shariah) that basically only create DO & DO NOT LIST, and even then the most do and do list most the is talking about the ritual things like shalat, fasting, hijab, etc that basically managing our relationship between human and God. They didn't talk much about managing relationship among human being such as how to help each other, caring the poor, the health of the peoples, the environment, the economy, the social relationship etc.

The proof for this, you can find many books written in fiqh/shariah but none in other fields during that period (1100 till early 1900). And the other proof is that during the very same period there is no school/universities control by muslim that tought other than quran and hadith (no economy, no math, no science, etc).



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Quote unity1 Replybullet Posted: 21 April 2005 at 1:06am
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Assalamu alaikum,


I think "intellectual discussion and debate on Islam"  still exist since al-ghazali till know. But the discussion is only FIQH (islamic law/shariah) that basically only create DO & DO NOT LIST, and even then the most do and do list most the is talking about the ritual things like shalat, fasting, hijab, etc that basically managing our relationship between human and God. They didn't talk much about managing relationship among human being such as how to help each other, caring the poor, the health of the peoples, the environment, the economy, the social relationship etc.


The proof for this, you can find many books written in fiqh/shariah but none in other fields during that period (1100 till early 1900). And the other proof is that during the very same period there is no school/universities control by muslim that tought other than quran and hadith (no economy, no math, no science, etc).

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Asalam Aalaikum

The progress of Muslims actually started after the end of the rule of the 1st four rightly guided Caliphes and ended approximately before or after 12th Century.

Yes, I agree that these days Ulemas donot concentrate on developing relations between human beings and only want muslims to become limited in their approach.


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Quote ZamanH Replybullet Posted: 22 April 2005 at 10:07pm

Muslims fell because of their indulgence in wine and women. Persians and Romans had fallen because of the same reasons before them. We fell because we digress from our religion and Allah punished us accordingly. Our salvation lies only in returning to our faith and not questioning it.

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Quote unity1 Replybullet Posted: 23 April 2005 at 1:53am
Asalam Aalaikum

Brother Zaman, I don't think any muslim in the world doubts or questions his or her faith ,it is actually our isolation from the teachings of Qur'an and the Sunnah of the Prophet(pbuh) which caused our downfall.

It is quiet surprizing to note that West are making progress by moving away from the teachings of their religion but we are lagging behind because we are moving away from the teachings of our religion.

If we really want to win a respectable position in this world and want to become a progressive nation, then we should follow the true teachings of Islam.


May Allah(swt) guide us and help us understand the true teachings of Islam. Ameen.

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Quote Angel Replybullet Posted: 23 April 2005 at 6:27am

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It is quiet surprizing to note that West are making progress by moving away from the teachings of their religion but we are lagging behind because we are moving away from the teachings of our religion.

I think you make a mistake in comparing Islam and the West for one thing the West is not a religion or just one nation, it comprises of many things which does also include Islam because of some western people who have choosen to become muslim. Islam is pretty much on its own and is not a place.  Now if you say Christianity and Islam yes you may have a point, but it seems you have equated the West as Christian because you mention "their religion" the west is not Christian (even thou it comprises more of the religion), this is like saying that the east is Islam, which it isn't, the East also comprises of many religions and nations, the East is not a religion either so you can't say they are moving away from their religion (if they are).

If might be better to rephrase it: It is quiet surprizing to note that Christianity is making progress by moving away from the teachings of their religion but we are lagging behind because we are moving away from the teachings of our religion.

From what I know, Christianity had to change for it to stay, it realised that to keep the people some things had to change and change with the times, a religion is dependent on its folowers to survive. Islam needs to do the same. And Islam also needs a central body like Christianity to regulate those changes in a proper way otherswise people will make their own interpretation left right and centre, and it seems some people will make fatwas whether they are in a position do so or not. I truly think if their was a central body, then places like some places in Africa who are islamically run but do things in a corrupt way, just look at Sudan and most of the Middle east would be in line with the same teachings, Arabia wouldn't be so different to Iraq or Afghan since things would be the same, and those living in the west would also be inline with middle east and Sudan. The Catholic church is pretty much run the same with the same regulations and with any changes posed it has to go before the vatican, but Islam and mosques do not have this, so teachings would go by the way side, scholars can only do so much and then it is sort of by their own interpretations and understandings.

Anyway, just my thoughts and I'm sure there is room for improvement, and another thing Islam needs to compromise on some things and this Islam, or should I say muslims will not do. If you are in a relationship with another and a need to co exist, compromises need to be made. 

If we really want to win a respectable position in this world and want to become a progressive nation, then we should follow the true teachings of Islam.

Islam is not really a nation  if it were then it should be in one place/country with the country name Islam

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