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Quote winjoy Replybullet Topic: Satan
    Posted: 05 July 2006 at 7:21am
is Satan made by Allah ? if so, why ? if no, why is it so powerful that even Allah can't destroy it ?
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Quote Muslim_brother Replybullet Posted: 05 July 2006 at 11:29pm

winjoy, satan is a jinn.

Allah created the jinns from smokeless fire.

Then when Allah created man (Adam), Allah told the jinns and angels to prostrate to Adam (pbuh).

Angels and jinns prostrated to Adam, except Iblis, who was a jinn, who disobeyed Allah by not prostrating to Adam.

Iblis, the jinn, said that Allah created Adam from clay, and Allah created the jinns from smokeless fire, so Iblis felt that he is better than Adam, so he did not prostrate to Adam, this way Iblis disobeyed Allah.

So Allah cursed Iblis forever, and then Iblis became a satan, Iblis said that if Allah gave Iblis the permission, Iblis would lead the mankind astray in this world, so Allah gave Iblis the permission to do so. Allah said that those who follow the satan (Iblis) are among the losers and Allah will cast Iblis and his followers from mankind and jinn in hell fire on the Day of Judgement.

And those who believe in Allah (Islamic monotheism), Allah will grant them Jannat (Paradise) on the Day of Judgement.

 

 



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Quote ak_m_f Replybullet Posted: 05 July 2006 at 11:31pm

if no, why is it so powerful that even Allah can't destroy it ?


This remids me of the question:

Can God create a stone so heavy that he himself cannot lift it?


btw you really raise some nice questions winjoy!


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Quote Nafiu Replybullet Posted: 06 July 2006 at 6:16am

Winjoy,

Allah Created Satan who was the Only Jinn allowed In the Company of the Angels. He was Very knowledgable and obedient to Allah in contrary to the other Jinns who were disobedient.

However Pride which is a very dangerous thing and can prevent you from Heaven even if you have an Atom's weight of it in your heart brought him down and made Allah Curse him.

Satan felt too big to prostrate to Adam out of Pride and he disobeyed Allah's Command, so he was disgraced, cursed and banished form the Heavens.

Allah allowed Satan respite till Judgement day because it is part of Allah plan to see which of the Children of Adam will obey him and who will follow Satan.

I hope answered your question. May Allah forgive me for anything i said wrong.

 

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Quote superme Replybullet Posted: 06 July 2006 at 3:16pm

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is Satan made by Allah ? if so, why ? if no, why is it so powerful that even Allah can't destroy it ?

Satan is not a specific creature but character. This character can be applied to any creature - Iblis was one of them.

The same as Angel, that too is a character that can be applied to any creature - Iblis was one of them.

So satan is not a creature but a character for any given creature.

We as individual are made aware of what is satanic and what is angelic, than instruction followed after that:

Did I not charge you, O ye sons of Adam, that ye worship not the devil - Lo! he is your open foe! (36:60)

So when you have a bad character in you and you have been made aware of it you cease from commiting it and compensate it with a good deed - satan destroyed and an angel is born.

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Quote winjoy Replybullet Posted: 12 July 2006 at 3:19am

 

Angels and jinns prostrated to Adam, except Iblis, who was a jinn, who disobeyed Allah by not prostrating to Adam.

 

that means Allah made a jinn who was not willing to obey Allah..this is very tricky..they said Allah is powerful and knows everything.

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Quote fatima Replybullet Posted: 12 July 2006 at 3:46am

Bismillah irrahman irrahim

Hi winjoy

yeah this whole concept is very tricky. Allah swt did create things but gave them a choice to choose good or bad. Now they choose ways according to thier own concent, Allah swt has only made the ways. Now Allah swt knows every thing because He is All-knowing, but not letting who would be disobedient come into existance negates the whole concept of this earthly life. We are told in Holy Quran that we are being created to see who is rightous. Now if disobedients were not let to be born then that means only rightous people would be walking on the face of earth. So why not send them straight to Paradise?

Now we need to take this concept along with the concept of judgement. Because if evil was finished straight away, there would be no judgement. You know that you are allowed to exist so you know you are going to be rightous and going to paradise. So being mindfull of your Lord's boundaries, being mindfull of straying away, all the purpose of this earthly life is in doubt.

One thing we need to consider is that we cant take one of the attributes of Allah swt and describe Him through that. There are 99 attributes which are commonly known and many scholars mention many more. We humans only know what we are been told, those attributes are in the Quran and sunnah section if you want to learn inshaAllah.

Lastly we are been given Holy Quran which I am sure you might have seen and thats the source of us knowing 99 attributes of Allah swt. In the same Holy Quran Allah swt says that if seas were ink to write Allah swt's words then it would finish but not the words of Allah swt. Another place it mentions that if seven more seas like these were brought still they would be exhausted but not the words of Allah swt. So there is much knowledge of Allah swt which is out of reach for us but if you stick to the basics then inshaAllah you will be satisfied. Just learn about the most commonly known attributes and know that Allah swt has all of them in a way most perfect suited to His Magisty.

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Quote superme Replybullet Posted: 14 July 2006 at 4:21pm
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that means Allah made a jinn who was not willing to obey Allah..this is very tricky..they said Allah is powerful and knows everything.

The word prostrate here is like "admitting" of the existance of other party superiority. The condition of being superior is knowledge. Iblis had different idea of what is superiority.

Qur'an is not that complicated to understand, it is a guide for happy life. Oh btw, there was no conversation like below here ever occured, God does not have mouth. 

And He taught Adam all the names, then showed them to the angels, saying: Inform Me of the names of these, if ye are truthful. (2:31)

They said: Be glorified! We have no knowledge saving that which Thou hast taught us. Lo! Thou, only Thou, art the Knower, the Wise. (2:32)

He said: O Adam! Inform them of their names, and when he had informed them of their names, He said: Did I not tell you that I know the secret of the heavens and the earth ? And I know that which ye disclose and which ye hide. (2:33)

And when We said unto the angels: Prostrate yourselves before Adam, they fell prostrate, all save Iblis. He demurred through pride, and so became a disbeliever.(2:34)

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