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Quote Angel Replybullet Posted: 06 July 2006 at 9:11am

Generally directed, ok

"Pray to God and you'll feel better"

When one says this, what makes you think that the person who is struggling is not praying to God ??

If that is all it took to make one feel better......then everyone would be doing that.

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Quote Srya Replybullet Posted: 06 July 2006 at 5:40pm
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"None of you, surprisingly even offered to speak with me privately to be more indepth of my situation."
 
I do not know if this is directed toward me;  However,  since I had previously posted here once and have been following along I would like to say...please know two reasons why I have not done this privately is: I am a woman and I don't think it is appropriate and the other is: I am still leaning so much I felt I could not give you the same level of advice the other Sisters have posted here. But, please know that I have been concerned. I know some what of what you are going Thur. I to have had problems on this (That is why I suggested you read the thread I started) 
 
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"I feel that a lot times we offer what I call advice from a distance"
 
Inshallah what the Sisters have said to you here with the help of ALLAH swt first then them even though it may not have been as private enough for you. My hope is their advice will aid you.
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Quote Megatron Replybullet Posted: 06 July 2006 at 7:30pm
I'm kind of upset that this issue has attempted to focus on Israfil, when he is expressing a relevant issue. 

I sense that people are upset about Israfil "questioning" and "taking apart" certain views regarding Islam.  Maybe I'm generalizing and I'm not looking in depth into the issue but that's the impression that I get.

If Islam is so perfect, why should Israfil be castigated for questioning the issues and attempting to dismantle certain viewpoints held by the religion?  Some of the most steadfast reverts to Islam approached the religion with skepticism.  You also must understand that some people like to take apart arguments as a means of understanding them.  If you approach an idea in Islam with a skeptical mind and through search and discovery you eventually understand its doesn't that show the strength of Islam better than blindly accepting those beliefs?

You can criticize people as much as you want saying, "that I need to read more" or "your religion is weak", but honestly, I've read the Quran till I'm blue in the face and it leaves a lot to interpretation.  There are many issues in the Quran that are not discussed and the Quran admits this itself:

[18:109]  Say, “Had the ocean served as ink to write about Allah, then surely the ocean would run out, but the narrative about Allah would not. Even if We supplied that much more ink as a refill!"

That being said, there is a lot about Islam that is up for debate.  Also being involved in educating students, I tell you that if you ask them to memorize information, they preform very poorly.  If you ask them to understand, cogitate and debate issues they learn much much more.  I believe the same can also be said about Islam.



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Quote Angel Replybullet Posted: 07 July 2006 at 6:25am
Good points megatron.
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Quote Israfil Replybullet Posted: 07 July 2006 at 4:53pm

Originally posted by Megatron

I'm kind of upset that this issue has attempted to focus on Israfil, when he is expressing a relevant issue. 

I sense that people are upset about Israfil "questioning" and "taking apart" certain views regarding Islam.  Maybe I'm generalizing and I'm not looking in depth into the issue but that's the impression that I get.

If Islam is so perfect, why should Israfil be castigated for questioning the issues and attempting to dismantle certain viewpoints held by the religion?  Some of the most steadfast reverts to Islam approached the religion with skepticism.  You also must understand that some people like to take apart arguments as a means of understanding them.  If you approach an idea in Islam with a skeptical mind and through search and discovery you eventually understand its doesn't that show the strength of Islam better than blindly accepting those beliefs?

You can criticize people as much as you want saying, "that I need to read more" or "your religion is weak", but honestly, I've read the Quran till I'm blue in the face and it leaves a lot to interpretation.  There are many issues in the Quran that are not discussed and the Quran admits this itself:

[18:109]  Say, “Had the ocean served as ink to write about Allah, then surely the ocean would run out, but the narrative about Allah would not. Even if We supplied that much more ink as a refill!"

That being said, there is a lot about Islam that is up for debate.  Also being involved in educating students, I tell you that if you ask them to memorize information, they preform very poorly.  If you ask them to understand, cogitate and debate issues they learn much much more.  I believe the same can also be said about Islam.



Thank you Megatron for understanding.....I understand that there are both sides that comment on the issue and I appreciate everyone's input. suzanne regarding your message, first off, there is nothing inappropriate about PM. You are not in my presence and nor am i in yours so where do you find PMing me inappropriate. Remember if your intentions are to help me that is all you need however if that is your only excuse then I can only say that I cannot depend on you to help.

As far as your comments concerning what others have said to me, that is fine howver someone judging me is not the words of Allah. I have been judged here many times and its quite unfortunate that I take from those experiences and feel in the sense that majority of my brethren are against me.

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Quote lovetabuleh Replybullet Posted: 09 July 2006 at 4:18pm

Br. Israfil, I think i know where you're comming from in terms of hearing muslims talk about hate things vs not hating things. Have you ever listened to Dr. Hassan Hathout?  He is a wonderful scholar and it's a great blessing to be in his presence when he talks to us in terms of how and where the muslim ummah is going off course.  He's got a book, Reading The Muslim Mind.

in my dad's website he put in a good deal about Dr. Hathout and his book :

http://www.islamic-study.org/Reading%20the%20Muslim%20Mind.h tm

If you want to hear a good dialogue about how islam relates to jews, listen to Dr. Hathout answering the hard questions thrown at him by Jewish scholar Laura Schlessinger in her radio show.

http://www.islamicity.com/multimedia/radio/ch1100/

 

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