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Quote superme Replybullet Posted: 01 July 2006 at 12:31am

The jews are in deep psychological problems but they refuse to acknowledge it - because they have been listening to constant brain washing that they are the God's chosen people.

Just like other saying that says a stupid person does not know that he/she is stupid, so it apllies here as well.

I am and many and many millions of people see this God's chosen people behaviour as very sickening.

I am very sure they must accept a spiritual leader to lead them to be humans, who will tell them that they are living in this earth - not somewhere else.

Sooner or later they must come this simple term and walk down in the street just like everybody else. It is just matter of time.

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Quote Sophonisbe Replybullet Posted: 02 July 2006 at 12:06am

Salam Aleikum

 

Companion "superme" you believe that it’s just to generalize? How can you believe that all the Jews are equal?. Perhaps are they it all the Christians? And the Muslims?. Are we all fanatics?.

 

Secondly, I believe that the majority of that we are here we believe in an only God, but tell me which of our monotheistic religions has not killed in God's name? Which has not it been considered to be the only and real in any moment of the History? Which of our peoples has not one proclaimed the chosen one to save the Humanity?. Raises the hand the one that is innocent.

 

It’s very dangerous distort the past History and the present one. To say that Jews, Christians and Muslims have not could coexist in peace is false. From East (China) up to West (Spain) (*) three faiths have could coexist pacifically for many centuries in multitude of States with diverse domineering religions. To affirm the opposite is tendentious and meaningful. 

 

I do not believe that God has created us to foment the War … not here not in no other place.

 

 

That the Peace is with all.

Shalom Aleikhem

 

(*) Please, excuse me the Americans for not mentioning them, but I have not taken them as an example because only they count 500 years of monotheism and the majority of them without plural living together.  

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Quote superme Replybullet Posted: 02 July 2006 at 11:45am
Originally posted by Sophonisbe

Salam Aleikum

 

Alaikum salaam.

 

When I have enough time - even on the weekdays I make few replies but sometimes I just can't do it, now is a bit a restricted so I will comeback again for this later on.

 

And for the time being:

Please give me an explicit injunction from the OT that forbid harming  fellow human beings, neighbours, women, children, disabled etc.

Also what is the explicit rulings about other people properties and belonging in generals.

 

We need to know if the God did actually gave them guidance to live in this world with other creatures in respect.

 

That's all for the time being, I have to go to work.

 

Salaam

 

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Quote Daniel Dworsky Replybullet Posted: 03 July 2006 at 2:31am
It's now official. Israelis with an active conscience are now at risk in Israel
proper. I was at a very tame demo night before last night. And we had
government people agitating from the inside that were so obvious that
even the commies could spot them.


I'm posting again because although our (Israeli) government is totally
corrupt and populated with criminals we have some good people here
and we are on the case regardless what happens or who boycotts or what
ever.
Check this out

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Dimi Reider < dreider@013.net>
Date: Jul 3, 2006 11:52 AM
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Dear friends,

Please find bellow a summary of the activities of the Olive Tree Movement
for 25 June to 1 July

Including:

1) Visits to to the Sourasky Medical Centre in Tel Aviv

2) Summer camp construction at the Jahelin tribe near Anata

3) Plans for next week



1. Visits to Ichilov:

This week Jamillah, Amir, Libi and Dimi visited Palestinian patients
hospitalized in Tel Aviv's Ichilov Hospital. We contacted three families –
the family of Ilham Raliah injured in the infamous Gaza Beach bombing a
few weeks ago; the family of a small child who was injured in the soon to
follow infamous bombing in Gaza City; and the family of another child
who is hospitalized in a coma following an operation to remove a brain
tumor. We have also met some other family members forced to lodge at
Ichilov (see below for details on their current situation).

A. Ilham Raliah

We have written at length on the situation of Ilham Raliah in an earlier
email (see attached MS Word file). To remind you, we have sent an urgent
email pleading for women Arabic-speaking volunteers to come forward to
relieve her uncle off his shift. Her uncle is the only relative to be allowed
into Israel, and he needs to return to Gaza; plus, his position as her sole
caretaker becomes increasingly awkward for both of them, with her being
a grown woman and he a grown man, both adherent Muslims. We
therefore asked for volunteers to replace him until we can get a
permission for his wife to replace him at her bedside. We are very glad to
report that the response to our plea was remarkable – within 24 hours we
have received over a dozen emails and phonecalls with people offering
themselves as caretakers. We now have enough volunteers to cover for all
the visiting hours, thank you so much! We are now busy coordinating
those volunteers according to shifts.

B. Families of patients at Ichilov – a report

Considering the situation in other Israeli hospitals, the visit to Ichilov left
us considerably impressed. No Israeli hospital is obliged under law to
provide anything for Palestinian escorts of the patients it treats
(notwithstanding the fact that they are effectively imprisoned within its
walls, their entrance to Israel permits valid only for the hospital grounds) ,
but it appears that the administration of Ichilov prefers to follow its
conscience.

Escorts of adult patients: At the moment the families of adult patients
have a place to sleep – two disused wards in a quiet corner of the hospital
compound. The wards, one for men and one for women, are provided
with beds, hospital linen, a fridge, a kitchenette, showers and free to use
laundry facilities (!). The hospital also provides the families with
breakfast, lunch and dinner coupons; compare this to Wolfson Hospital
where the families get one meal a day and to Tel haShomer hospital
where they get none. This does not go so far as to suggest that there's
nothing to improve; the floors in the wards were dirty, the linen hadn't
been changed in a while. On the other hand, when we called to complain
the relevant officials expressed their surprise and promised to take care
of it immediately. All in all this is still an inhumane, absurd situation in
which people are literally confined to their loved one's bedsides; but it
appears that Ichilov truly does try to provide these "prisoners" with things
that would make their imprisonment bearable.

Families of children hospitalized at Dana: The relatives of children
hospitalized in the Dana Hospital (part of Ichilov) are also provided with
showers & 3 meals a day. They sleep at their children bedsides, just like
all the other parents at the hospital. At the side of the bed of each of the
children there is an armchair which unfolds into a bed. We also
understand that the hospital provides diapers for the children, which can't
be said of Tel haShomer. All in all the impression was rather good.

Dimi has undertaken to organize a "leisure" corner at the hospital – a
crate or a cupboard stuffed with books, papers and journals in Arabic,
and also perhaps some sets of chess and chequers. If anyone has any of
the above items to donate, please contact him on alteriamo@gmail.com.
We already received a donation of magazines and journals in Arabic from
the Yaffa Coffeshop & Bookstore of Yeffet street, Jaffa, for which we are
abundantly grateful. If anyone has an actual cupboard to donate, this
would also come in very handy. Please contact Dimi as above.

2. The Jahelin Tribe Summercamp

We returned this week to the Jahelin Tribe encampment east of Anata,
East Jerusalem, and continued the construction of the shack destined to
host a summercamp for the summer and a clinic & library for the rest of
the year. The work did not go as fast as we planned, since nothing was
done since our last visit. If anyone has any ideas on how to ensure that
work would go on without the volunteers constantly present, do make it
known. Anyhow, we did have lots of fun and be completed the roof of the
shack. While some of us were working on the shack Sandra gave a few
English lessons to the girls of the encampment; pictures and videos soon
to follow. We also purchased a delivery of concrete to make the floor for
the shack. The purchase was made from Jameelah's own pocket. Anyone
who can and wishes to help to alleviate this expense (about 3,000NIS) is
welcome to donate to acc.no. 104898, Bank Hapoalim, Rotschild Branch
(No.634).

3. Plans for next week

We will return to Jahelin this coming Saturday, 8 July. We need volunteers,
especially volunteers with big cars that can help us pick up wood and
materials from nearby industrial zones. We could also use some isolating
material ( i.e. old banners), and a great deal of nails – a bucket or two at
least. As to the visit itself, we will leave Tel Aviv Central ("Northern",
"Arlozorov") Train Station at 8:30am on Saturday morning, and should be
able to pick up Jerusalem area volunteers at 9:30am from the Giva Zarfatit
Junction. Please contact us as far in advance as possible so we can take
make sure we have enough vehicles for everyone. Please contact Jameelah
on 0524341840.



Many thanks and all the very best,

The Olive Tree Movement   

Summary: Dimi Reider

Yafit Gamila Biso
The olive tree movement
http://groups.google.com/group/olivetreemov
maniah shohat st. 2/5 rishon litsion 75241-- israel
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Quote herjihad Replybullet Posted: 03 July 2006 at 6:37am

Bismillah,

Thank you, Daniel, for coming back to share this with us.  May Allah, The Most Loving, bless the Olive Tree Movement and you for telling us about it.

Peace

Al-Hamdulillah (From a Married Muslimah) La Howla Wa La Quwata Illa BiLLah - There is no Effort or Power except with Allah's Will.
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Quote superme Replybullet Posted: 04 July 2006 at 2:10pm

Originally posted by Daniel Dworsky

It's now official. Israelis with an active conscience are now at risk in Israel proper. I was at a very tame demo night before last night. And we had government people agitating from the inside that were so obvious that even the commies could spot them.

I'm posting again because although our (Israeli) government is totally
corrupt and populated with criminals we have some good people here
and we are on the case regardless what happens or who boycotts or what ever.

Now I remember you, you the one who forced me to go banana. 

I don't deny the existance of good people in every society nor denying the existing of bad people in it. But this so called Israeli govt is a contradiction of the jewish claim of innocence as a whole. 

The power base of them is the American support. To get that support they need the jewish lobby. The jewish lobby is made up of jews. Therefore it is the jews that commiting the attrocities.

I am not a columnist or anything even closer as a writer so I don't know how to put this into better word. I should be the last person on this earth who talk about race as I don't believe in race, but this is a contradiction.

If the jews as a whole believe they are something special or better than others (count me out in that) than I need to see the proof for it.

But I am still waiting for Sophonisbe or anyone OT's quotation of the basic instruction. Without this instruction the OT claims are in question.

God guides, his guidance is fo all.

 

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Quote Daniel Dworsky Replybullet Posted: 10 July 2006 at 3:25pm
Originally posted by superme

Now I remember you, you the one who forced me to go
banana. 


I don't deny the existance of good people in every society nor denying the
existing of bad people in it. But this so called Israeli govt is a contradiction
of the jewish claim of innocence as a whole. 


 



We are definitely on the same page. I'm sorry I made you a fruit.
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Quote Daniel Dworsky Replybullet Posted: 12 July 2006 at 4:21pm
An entertaining study of gratuitous evil   
http://www.ericblumrich.com/thanks.html

What's worse? The monsters or their makers.
Bushs 1 and 2 one and two made Sadam and the Taliban Bush senior was
CIA director years before he was president.

Here in Israel we made the Hamas as a means to confound Palestinian
democracy

[QUOTE=StarComm] Maybe we should just turn our backs on the whole
palestinian israeli thing...it seems they love attention and do everything
to
get it. And then when they get it people die....why is no world power
excersising some real preasure on both sides? is it just a thing that is
kept
raging so we can watch at it and feel sorry for them? Like it is impossible
for
a jew and a muslim to live in the same country....shame on them both.[/
QUOTE] Oh you mean like ignore us and we'll go away?

No. Ignore us and We'll slaughter each other like cattle because no ones
watching. When we are not wretched we are political morons.

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