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bullet Posted: 27 June 2006 at 12:02am
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the IDF kills our small muslim children and other muslim civilians, what about that?


you know the saying - tit for tat! as you sow, so shall you reap !


also, read my post in one of the other threads in this section of comments and complaints


 



This is the diffrence between muslims & IDF, we go according to rules set by Quran & sunnah.

we Dont kill civlians

If you start acting like "kaffiers" then whats the diffrence between them and you?


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bullet Posted: 27 June 2006 at 12:07am
Originally posted by ak_m_f

Originally posted by salman_s


the IDF kills our small muslim children and other muslim civilians, what about that?


you know the saying - tit for tat! as you sow, so shall you reap !


also, read my post in one of the other threads in this section of comments and complaints


 



This is the diffrence between muslims & IDF, we go according to rules set by Quran & sunnah.

we Dont kill civlians

If you start acting like "kaffiers" then whats the diffrence between them and you?

the kaafir enemies kill our muslim civilians, when we don't have better means to fight the enemy, we have to adopt such methods, Allah is with the believers, Allah is the Oft-Forgiving, The Most Merciful

 

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bullet Posted: 27 June 2006 at 12:16am
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the kaafir enemies kill our muslim civilians, when we don't have better means to fight the enemy, we have to adopt such methods, Allah is with the believers, Allah is the Oft-Forgiving, The Most Merciful


 


Salman,

Muslims are required to conduct themselves in a dignified and honourable way. Their sound character and conduct should leave an impression in the hearts of non-Muslims that Islam is a religion of submission and subjugation to the orders of Allah Ta’ala which invokes the peace of Allah Ta’ala on earth. Thus, Islam is a religion of peace and is against any act that impedes peace.


it is prohibited to target and kill women, children and old people. Hadhrat ibn Abbaas (Radhiallaahu Anhu) narrates that Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) used to advise the army before dispatching them, ‘Do not deceive, do not disfigure, do not kill children and those in churches.’ (I’elaa-us-Sunan vol.12 pg.31; Idaratul Qur’aan)

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bullet Posted: 27 June 2006 at 12:23am
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Originally posted by salman_s

the kaafir enemies kill our muslim civilians, when we don't have better means to fight the enemy, we have to adopt such methods, Allah is with the believers, Allah is the Oft-Forgiving, The Most Merciful


 


Salman,

Muslims are required to conduct themselves in a dignified and honourable way. Their sound character and conduct should leave an impression in the hearts of non-Muslims that Islam is a religion of submission and subjugation to the orders of Allah Ta’ala which invokes the peace of Allah Ta’ala on earth. Thus, Islam is a religion of peace and is against any act that impedes peace.


it is prohibited to target and kill women, children and old people. Hadhrat ibn Abbaas (Radhiallaahu Anhu) narrates that Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) used to advise the army before dispatching them, ‘Do not deceive, do not disfigure, do not kill children and those in churches.’ (I’elaa-us-Sunan vol.12 pg.31; Idaratul Qur’aan)

in todays present situation in the world, if we muslims act in such way that u told, Allah forbid, muslims will be defeated very badly !

i told you, the kaafir enemies kill our muslim civilians, we have to adopt such methods when we don't have better means to fight the enemy, Allah is with the believers, Allah is The Oft Fogiving, The Most Merciful

 

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bullet Posted: 27 June 2006 at 4:27am

Hi Everyone,

One thing is positive about this site that no one has called me a Jew or a Joo yet.  

There is a lesson to be learnt from the following, when our dear Prophet was about to enter Mecca again after many years, victory for Allah and Islam, he was not taking that as his personal victory though. He did not think like that.

He and his companions were ruthlessly persecuted by the Meccans, tortured, taunted, stones thrown at, beaten mercilessly and many were slaughtered by the Meccans. They were forced out of Mecca, their home, by the pagan Meccans.

Prophet was ready to enter Mecca with more than 10,000 Muslims and before entry, he asked Bilal to announce the following:

"You will not harm or attack any man working in the fields. You will not harm or attack any women, children and old people. You shall not cut down any trees. You will not kill any person unless attacked. All by the Kaaba were safe, even all in Abu Sufyan's house were safe."

Prophet did not behave or do anything like Joshua did as told by YHVH. Not a single person was attacked or slaughtered, though the prophet and Muslims had the right to avenge. He did not. That was the most peaceful takeover of any city in the History of the world.

Even the most modern and civilised countries like US, France, Germany, Portugal, Spain and the UK have no such good record. Naeen, Naada, nicht and zilsch!

If we look at what I wrote above, Islam gave the best and the mother of all types of  "Geneva Convention" 1400+ years ago.

Islam does not allow attacks on non-combatants or civilians which include the general populace. There is nothing to justify suicide bombing or killier attacks against civilians, in Qur'aan. Period.

However, Palestinians are free to attack and kill IDF forces, if they are attacked. Likewise, the Iraqis and their resistance fighters are free to attack the US Military and it's Associates but they are not allowed to harm their own people or the enemy's civilians, who are getting screwed by both sides.

Personally, I am a strong supporter of Muslim countries going nuclear. Pakistan has safe-guarded it's own existence. Iran is just doing that and I hope it announces and confirms having nukes. Otherwise an Iraq would have been made out of both or both of them would have been turned into Iraq already.

Look at North Korea. It has openly declared having nukes. has no food nor money for it's people but the bomb safeguards it's existence. No one can touch it!

Pakistan has always been an off and on ally of US.  Sacnctions were imposed it when it exploded nukes after the Indians exploded. But now Pakistan is a darling. If the West knows how to be diplomatic, the Muslim countries should show that too. Look at Iran, How nicely it is handling the situation.  

Why is the US so deadly against Pakistan, Iran or other Muslim countries having nukes and missiles or NK having both? They are not going to use any nukes on anybody. But the main reason is that US will no more be able to anchor it's Naval Fleets of their coast and make an Iraq out of them.

So, what exactly did God Almighty say in Qur'aan about this war and persecution by others? Please don't mind my style of transliteration and the translation. Here it is:

"Wa a'a-id-do lahum mas-ta-ta'atum min quw-wa-tin, wa mir-ribaa-til khailay, tur-hiboona bay-he adoo-wal-laahay wa- adoo-wa-kum, wa aa'khay-reena min doo-nay-him; laa ta'a-la-moona-hum, Allaho ya'a-lamohum. Wa maa tun-fay-qumin shay-yin fee sabeel-lil-laahay, yu-waf-fa ilaikum wa antum laa tuzlamoon." Verse 60 Surah 8 Al-Anfal 

Translation: "And prepare and strengthen yourself against them with all the might that you can gather, have the best cavalries, etc so that you can instil fear in the hearts of the the enemies of Allah, your enemies and also against those other than them as Allah knows your other enemies too, you don't know. Whatever you spend in the way of Allah will be given back to you and you will never be short-changed or no one can touch you."

Dr. Mahathir, former PM of Malaysia kept telling the Islamic Leaders, the goons and buffoons, reciting this Ayaah and who cared? The solution is given there in Qur'aan and Muslims have been sleeping over it for centuries.

What OBL and Taleban have done is wrong. No one can justify that act under Qur'aan and any other Islamic ordinances. God Almighty never promised any 72 virgins to anyone. Wrong is wrong.

Palestinians, poor people, have always been made a pawn and have been used by Muslim rulers of the Arabic States in order to hang to their kingdoms, shaikhdoms, Sultanates and Emirates. We are the ones who have got the Palestinians screwed up and have led them into a miserable life. If the Muslim world stood united and bold on the Issue of Palestine, the West would fix Israel in a minute.

OBL, Mullah Omar and the Talebans have hijacked Islam and have tarnished it. They have done nothing Islamic by executing 911 and they handed over the Muslim regions to US on a silver platter.

 

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